Thursday 4th May 2017

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:29 pm

Nitrogen dioxide pollution causes 23,500 of the 40,000 premature deaths from dirty air each year, according to the government’s own data. In April last year MPs said air pollution was a public health emergency.

Yes but hijabs.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:30 pm

Do I just have me tea earlier than you costa coffee drinking metropolitan elites?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:31 pm

Or is the tumbleweed around this time in the evening DIRECTLY related to my cheery arrival?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:31 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... are-repeal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

House Republicans pass healthcare bill in first step toward replacing Obamacare

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:32 pm

The founder of a strategic voting initiative that helped propel Justin Trudeau’s Liberal party into office in Canada believes Gina Miller’s campaign for tactical voting in the UK election has a “great chance” of blunting Theresa May’s bid to consolidate power.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... g-campaign" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:40 pm

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:42 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Or is the tumbleweed around this time in the evening DIRECTLY related to my cheery arrival?

Everybody working hard to get the vote out in today's elections, innit?

Well, possibly.......

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:44 pm

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-ne ... t-10356556" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Top economist warns ‘Hard Brexit’ could cost Ireland up to 40,000 jobs
Central Bank official Gabriel Fagan said Ireland is more reliant on UK export markets that any other EU country

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:46 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 16326.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Members of Congress 'holding secret conversations about removing Donald Trump from office'
US President could be forced out if he is deemed to be mentally unfit for office

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:50 pm

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a ... -brexxxit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The naughty movie will star a busty 'Teaser May', a ridiculously-haired man named 'Tronald Dump' and his wife 'Mania'.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 7:56 pm

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/vir ... thing-now/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Spotting David Cameron in works of art is literally a thing now

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:01 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/n ... n%E2%80%99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chilled-out Jeremy Corbyn brands himself ‘Monsieur Zen’
The Labour leader claimed that ‘I never get angry’ as swung into election action in Oxford.
As distinct from "the Clanger pointed out that 'I nearly always seethe"

Now is as good a time as any for me to write I'm grateful for Corbyn's staid, non-hysterical manner. Juxtaposed to T May's Tory scorched earth pronouncements, he's completely fine, no problems. Politics should be dull, really. Think about it. Sport is the place for competition, excitement. Not politics.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:10 pm

: oh no DC.jpg (33.74 KiB) Viewed 10454 times

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:11 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 16326.html
Members of Congress 'holding secret conversations about removing Donald Trump from office'
US President could be forced out if he is deemed to be mentally unfit for office

hallelujah

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:16 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Nitrogen dioxide pollution causes 23,500 of the 40,000 premature deaths from dirty air each year, according to the government’s own data. In April last year MPs said air pollution was a public health emergency.
Yes but hijabs.

I'll not forgive the lack of action on this
We live in one of the chronically polluted areas of the UK regularly breaching safe levels
years we've lived with it
My husband's asthma inhalers

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:36 pm

Emmanuel Macron files complaint over Le Pen debate 'defamation'

Presidential candidate formally complains over far-right rival’s remark that implied he had offshore account in Caribbean (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ate-remark

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 04 May, 2017 8:46 pm

I can't get fired up about the election results - but I'm hoping for the best.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:10 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -200-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Denmark gets its first wild wolf pack in 200 years

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:12 pm

chink of light?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 15786.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Labour eyes proportional representation as party's elections minister backs voting shake-up
Shadow minister for elections backs the policy days before manifesto announcement

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:13 pm

The document also included a poll revealing more than three-quarters of Labour voters would back a promise to bring in PR – which has also been endorsed by shadow Chancellor John McDonnell.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:17 pm

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/800402 ... is-Johnson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
'I'll do a whip-round!' Wetherspoon's boss MOCKS Brexit divorce bill that UK 'won't pay'

knob

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:25 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 18616.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
School evacuated after student dresses as Darth Vader for Star Wars day

A student celebrating Star Wars Day in costume caused an evacuation at a Wisconsin high school after a parent called police.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:25 pm

Don't worry - I won't be giving up the day job.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:27 pm

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180963137/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The EU’s center shifts every time a country enters or leaves the bloc. According to Kate Connolly of The Guardian, the new heart of the EU was determined by French cartographers at IGN, a geographic engineering institute in Paris. The exact coordinates fall in the rapeseed field of one Karin Kessler, who tells Barfield that she will be quite happy to have the EU flag flying in her backyard. But she also opined that “the fact that it's only happening because of this Brexit is a bit of a shame.”

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:34 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180963137/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The EU’s center shifts every time a country enters or leaves the bloc. According to Kate Connolly of The Guardian, the new heart of the EU was determined by French cartographers at IGN, a geographic engineering institute in Paris. The exact coordinates fall in the rapeseed field of one Karin Kessler, who tells Barfield that she will be quite happy to have the EU flag flying in her backyard. But she also opined that “the fact that it's only happening because of this Brexit is a bit of a shame.”

A "bit of a shame"? I suppose that's one way of putting it, but it wouldn't be my way. Still, she's got the good luck to be in Germany which must take the edge off it, I appreciate.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:43 pm

Got no-one in particular in mind here, but polls close at 10pm.

Edited to have another go -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgtwsHsLxUA

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:52 pm

PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180963137/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The EU’s center shifts every time a country enters or leaves the bloc. According to Kate Connolly of The Guardian, the new heart of the EU was determined by French cartographers at IGN, a geographic engineering institute in Paris. The exact coordinates fall in the rapeseed field of one Karin Kessler, who tells Barfield that she will be quite happy to have the EU flag flying in her backyard. But she also opined that “the fact that it's only happening because of this Brexit is a bit of a shame.”

A "bit of a shame"? I suppose that's one way of putting it, but it wouldn't be my way. Still, she's got the good luck to be in Germany which must take the edge off it, I appreciate.

To be fair she gives more of damn than most Brits.
And then there's Gisela.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:54 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05 ... k-reveals/

"documents reveal that the number of NHS patients waiting longer than 18 weeks for surgery is forecast to double in two years."

8 months here. "Urgent."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:02 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... countable/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Every Republican who voted for this abomination must be held accountable

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:07 pm

Evening all.

My other half was helping with Brownies in the church hall and apparently a chap turned up to vote.

Only one problem....

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:09 pm

The Independent:

The best unicorn dessert ideas to impress your guests.

What.
The....?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:10 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:The Independent:

The best unicorn dessert ideas to impress your guests.
What.
The....?

I used to be partial to a cream horn.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:11 pm

The Donaeld:

Donaeld The Unready‏ @donaeldunready May 3
Mayden Theresa locks local bards in dungeon. Great to see this strong and stable stance on freedom of the press. #trickkeyquestion

Wouldn't put it past him to try and impress his guests with unicorns for dessert either.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:11 pm

She's been on the gin again.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:17 pm

While the leader of open and democratic Britain insists that talks should proceed in maximum secrecy on both sides, the “secretive and undemocratic” EU is insisting that there must be transparency and public accountability. Contrary to her earlier assurances that “I want the EU to be successful”, the Prime Minister’s language in Downing Street suggested that she would like the EU to implode.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the ... 18441.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:18 pm

the Brits:

Her rhetoric, and its enthusiastic reception on the British right, increases the likelihood that negotiations will break down. Chancellor Merkel was clearly among the Prime Minister’s targets and her criticisms of British "illusions" will have stung May. Cumulative irritation with British demands for exceptional treatment has burst out in a hardening of positions from other governments – the outcome of successive negotiations, of David Cameron’s tantrum at the European Council of December 2011, of Boris Johnson’s shallow flippancy and David Davis’s arrogance, of the sustained aggression of Ukip and Conservative MEPs in the European Parliament, and the anti-German and anti-European excesses of the British press.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:20 pm

https://www.vox.com/2017/5/4/15547058/p ... peal-women" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Under the AHCA, heavy periods could once again become a preexisting condition

Bloody stupid phrase.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:22 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/l ... 7-10226506" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So if Labour gain or lose seats, you’re measuring their performance against the middle of Ed Miliband’s time in charge nationally.
In 2013, Labour gained nearly 300 seats and the Tories lost just under 300 seats.
The Lib Dems lost just over 100 seats, as the party’s star was plummeting due to its broken pledges on tuition fees.
And UKIP gained just over 100 seats as it won momentum over the issues of the EU.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:24 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/l ... 7-10226506" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
results hour by hour

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:43 pm

Derbyshire results here for those interested

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/council/el ... b9715e6538" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:45 pm

This is seriously bad news. The snoopers charter is basically going to screw encryption.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/04 ... ers_draft/

Now a disclaimer - security is hard. I am not an expert and I am wildly speculating here. In due course I imagine the experts will provide a view.

Second disclaimer. I do not work on any projects related to cryptography for any government organisation. I have no knowledge outside that which is public domain.

Reading between the lines for this to work your ISP has to be able to break into (or pass the key to law enforcement) any encrypted session. Broadly speaking decent crypto such as AES 256 GCM are classed by NIST as quantum computing resistant. Maybe GCHQ can crack them but not without significant compute capacity.

Note: It used to be the case that it was hard to get a huge quantity of compute on demand. Thanks to Amazon not an issue any more, so weak crypto can now be broken by a well resourced criminal.

So to make this practical, without actually banning strong encryption and breaking popular apps, they are probably going to have to violate the public key trust chain and use a man in the middle attack. They will have to do this continually as just doing it on demand is liable to detection. In effect when you contact your bank, they will spoof you to the bank and the bank to you.

This is similar in approach to the Lenovo scandal of a few years ago, although one hopes they won't be quite so stupid as to use just one cert.

https://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2015 ... nnections/

So your banking session will be vulnerable to spooks, and also to anybody else who can get into that system. Given this introduces a vulnerability and given the sophistication of state sanctioned malware these days, we can now be compromised by incompetent ISPs or an incompetent government. Snowdon had very little clearance, who knows what a real spy/criminal could do.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:47 pm

Tomorrow,in case you stare at for twelve hours or so.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:52 pm

HindleA wrote:Tomorrow,in case you stare at for twelve hours or so.

I spotted that!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:55 pm

I'm going to have to go to bed. It's very late (for me, anyway).

Night night.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 04 May, 2017 10:58 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/l ... 7-10226506" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So if Labour gain or lose seats, you’re measuring their performance against the middle of Ed Miliband’s time in charge nationally.
In 2013, Labour gained nearly 300 seats and the Tories lost just under 300 seats.
The Lib Dems lost just over 100 seats, as the party’s star was plummeting due to its broken pledges on tuition fees.
And UKIP gained just over 100 seats as it won momentum over the issues of the EU.

2013 wasn't a great year for Labour as I recall and the previous cycle would have been 2009 when the Tories were on a roll.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 04 May, 2017 11:02 pm

It wasn't as good for Labour as 2012 was, but was still better than some of the instant punditry suggested.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 11:03 pm

Saw Kev,today as it happens,(councillor) I have talked to him a few times and wave at him (he lives a couple of streets away)but beyond that bloke with a pink dressing gown with a fag in his mouth with a lawn mowing turtle in his garden doesn't know me as such.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 04 May, 2017 11:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:It wasn't as good for Labour as 2012 was, but was still better than some of the instant punditry suggested.

My insta-punditry is that Lynton Crosby knows what he is doing and it looks bad. GE will be worse.

Bring back the Prince of Darkness.

Please.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 04 May, 2017 11:16 pm

Four Labour placards/posters counted so far in close by vicinity(no others).The zenith was '97 when it was rare not see a house with no Labour/Chesterfield flag/scarf as they got cheated out of their rightful final place.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 04 May, 2017 11:19 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:It wasn't as good for Labour as 2012 was, but was still better than some of the instant punditry suggested.
My insta-punditry is that Lynton Crosby knows what he is doing and it looks bad. GE will be worse.

Bring back the Prince of Darkness.

Please.

He's too busy fantasising about reversing the EU referendum result I'm afraid - as with several of his type.