Monday 15th May 2017

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:09 pm

HindleA wrote:Sorry you had to go through it of course,what a tremendous judicious use of money.

Quite.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:12 pm

That poll in Wales is the same one as was published in its own right a week ago. As you (SH) noted at the time, it was actually an improvement for Labour on the previous (frankly fairly unbelievable) survey from YouGov there. Same is true of that London poll, I think.

If those other polls were taken at the same time, they will be a bit old now - and maybe not take into account Labour's slight improvement recently.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:13 pm

@pk1
I'm sorry
I'm glad it worked out okay for you

awful, unnecessary strain, waste of valuable time, resources, the last thing individual people need

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:That poll in Wales is the same one as was published in its own right a week ago. As you (SH) noted at the time, it was actually an improvement on the previous (frankly fairly unbelievable) survey from YouGov there. Same is true of that London poll, I think.

If those other polls were taken at the same time, they will be a bit old now - and maybe not take into account Labour's slight improvement recently.

Labour hasn't improed much with YouGov. 1%?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:15 pm

pk1 wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/t ... k-politics
Sadly, Cathy won't be getting her DLA back & her only hope of getting a PIP if she's already been turned down is by ultimately appealing to the Upper Tribunal after jumping through the mandatory hoops.

Personal experience of DLA --> PIP:
I got my 'invitation to apply for PIP' just before Christmas. Had ATOS assessment on 24th April & was astonished when I got a letter dated 6th May ! Never expected it to be so fast.
I was awarded SR Care & Enhanced Mob. I was on MRC & HRM DLA so haven't lost any benefit at all. All that stress & worry was for nothing.

And this is why you (and people like you) need to vote Labour next month - whatever your feelings about Corbyn.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:18 pm

Columnist Kelvin MacKenzie's contract with The Sun newspaper has been "terminated by mutual consent", the paper's parent company has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39926876" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A News UK spokeswoman said: "Further to our statement on 15 April that Kelvin MacKenzie's services as a columnist for The Sun were suspended, we can confirm that Mr MacKenzie's column will not return to The Sun and his contract with News Group Newspapers has been terminated by mutual consent."

Editors of BBC's Daily Politics show, please note.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:26 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
pk1 wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/t ... k-politics
Sadly, Cathy won't be getting her DLA back & her only hope of getting a PIP if she's already been turned down is by ultimately appealing to the Upper Tribunal after jumping through the mandatory hoops.

Personal experience of DLA --> PIP:
I got my 'invitation to apply for PIP' just before Christmas. Had ATOS assessment on 24th April & was astonished when I got a letter dated 6th May ! Never expected it to be so fast.
I was awarded SR Care & Enhanced Mob. I was on MRC & HRM DLA so haven't lost any benefit at all. All that stress & worry was for nothing.
And this is why you (and people like you) need to vote Labour next month - whatever your feelings about Corbyn.

I personally have only ever voted Labour but a flea wearing a blue rosette is the only winner in the seat where I live.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:30 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the ... 36926.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:35 pm

pk1 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
pk1 wrote:
Sadly, Cathy won't be getting her DLA back & her only hope of getting a PIP if she's already been turned down is by ultimately appealing to the Upper Tribunal after jumping through the mandatory hoops.

Personal experience of DLA --> PIP:
I got my 'invitation to apply for PIP' just before Christmas. Had ATOS assessment on 24th April & was astonished when I got a letter dated 6th May ! Never expected it to be so fast.
I was awarded SR Care & Enhanced Mob. I was on MRC & HRM DLA so haven't lost any benefit at all. All that stress & worry was for nothing.
And this is why you (and people like you) need to vote Labour next month - whatever your feelings about Corbyn.
I personally have only ever voted Labour but a flea wearing a blue rosette is the only winner in the seat where I live.

I remember a Flythenest poster saying they were in North Somerset so were pretty much stuck with Liam Fox for all eternity but I can't remember who it was. I still can't believe Liam Fox is back in government. The fact that anyone, even Tories, keep voting for such people is why I remain pessimistic about the outcome next month. Labour are coming from too far back.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:41 pm

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... sponse.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The key measures which are used by the Department for Work and Pensions to monitor Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) performance are:

a) 90% to be cleared within target. b) 80% of the original decisions are to be upheld.

The performance measures for April 2016 - March 2017 are:

% MR Cleared within target = 70.2%

% MR Original Decision Upheld = 87.5% "

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:45 pm

Willow904 wrote: I still can't believe Liam Fox is back in government. The fact that anyone, even Tories, keep voting for such people is why I remain pessimistic about the outcome next month. Labour are coming from too far back.

I imagine Mr Werrity finds him to be a very nice man

but yes, if we couldn't win in 2015 when polls were far more positive than they are currently, I can't see how anyone can genuinely believe Labour will win next month.

There's already been mutterings about the IRA this weekend & with 3.5 weeks to go, I strongly suspect the attacks will keep coming

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 15 May, 2017 4:52 pm

Willow904 wrote: I remember a Flythenest poster saying they were in North Somerset so were pretty much stuck with Liam Fox for all eternity but I can't remember who it was. I still can't believe Liam Fox is back in government. The fact that anyone, even Tories, keep voting for such people is why I remain pessimistic about the outcome next month. Labour are coming from too far back.

DonutHingeParty?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=462&p=43103&hilit=n ... set#p43103" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 15 May, 2017 5:07 pm

A joint Channel 4 & Sky News programme will feature the first party leader interviews with May & Corbyn on May 29th in front of a live studio audience.

Faisal Islam & Jeremy Paxman will be the interviewers.

Contain your excitement folks.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 15 May, 2017 5:15 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
Willow904 wrote: I remember a Flythenest poster saying they were in North Somerset so were pretty much stuck with Liam Fox for all eternity but I can't remember who it was. I still can't believe Liam Fox is back in government. The fact that anyone, even Tories, keep voting for such people is why I remain pessimistic about the outcome next month. Labour are coming from too far back.
DonutHingeParty?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=462&p=43103&hilit=n ... set#p43103" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I knew someone had said something about having Liam Fox as their MP! Majorities ranging from 6,000 to 23,000, both for North Somerset and Woodspring previously. That's pretty solid Tory country. At least I had the frisson of excitement of NE Somerset being described as a "marginal" in 2015, even though I knew in my heart of hearts the 2010 boundary change had made it a pretty safe Tory seat.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 5:27 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... led-people" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 15 May, 2017 6:27 pm

Worth having a look at Smithson's Twitter feed. A couple of interesting snippets in two areas.

First off Labour's local campaign approach to offset Corbyn appears to be working a little, might save a seat or two.

Secondly a suggestion seats without a standing Kipper isn't necessarily a huge boost for the Tories.

UKIP seem to be vanishing from some of the polling data, soon they will only have Question Time left.

Spread betting still Labour 150-160, Tories around 400 (betting isn't a guide to likely result, just public sentiment).

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 15 May, 2017 6:36 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
pk1 wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/t ... k-politics
Sadly, Cathy won't be getting her DLA back & her only hope of getting a PIP if she's already been turned down is by ultimately appealing to the Upper Tribunal after jumping through the mandatory hoops.

Personal experience of DLA --> PIP:
I got my 'invitation to apply for PIP' just before Christmas. Had ATOS assessment on 24th April & was astonished when I got a letter dated 6th May ! Never expected it to be so fast.
I was awarded SR Care & Enhanced Mob. I was on MRC & HRM DLA so haven't lost any benefit at all. All that stress & worry was for nothing.
And this is why you (and people like you) need to vote Labour next month - whatever your feelings about Corbyn.

It isn't that easy, IMO

https://capx.co/corbyns-campaign-chief- ... r-tyranny/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 15 May, 2017 6:42 pm

Apparently the UKIP thing is Simpson's Paradox.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson's_paradox

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 15 May, 2017 6:44 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:Worth having a look at Smithson's Twitter feed. A couple of interesting snippets in two areas.

First off Labour's local campaign approach to offset Corbyn appears to be working a little, might save a seat or two.

Secondly a suggestion seats without a standing Kipper isn't necessarily a huge boost for the Tories.

UKIP seem to be vanishing from some of the polling data, soon they will only have Question Time left.

Spread betting still Labour 150-160, Tories around 400 (betting isn't a guide to likely result, just public sentiment).

The Lib Dems were convinced about their ability to outdo the national polls through local loyalty as well.

I don't think it works like that on election day.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 15 May, 2017 6:56 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
And this is why you (and people like you) need to vote Labour next month - whatever your feelings about Corbyn.
It isn't that easy, IMO

https://capx.co/corbyns-campaign-chief- ... r-tyranny/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yep that guy is a complete and utter wanker. To her credit Helen Pidd called Corbyn out on this, Jezza said he believed that Murray was a democratic socialist.

Which makes Corbyn either a liar or an idiot by any objective score.

People like Murray have never grown up, normal people ditch a belief in Communism and Stalinism at about age 16. You have to wonder why Corbyn even wants to be in the same room as him.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 15 May, 2017 6:59 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:Worth having a look at Smithson's Twitter feed. A couple of interesting snippets in two areas.

First off Labour's local campaign approach to offset Corbyn appears to be working a little, might save a seat or two.

Secondly a suggestion seats without a standing Kipper isn't necessarily a huge boost for the Tories.

UKIP seem to be vanishing from some of the polling data, soon they will only have Question Time left.

Spread betting still Labour 150-160, Tories around 400 (betting isn't a guide to likely result, just public sentiment).

The Lib Dems were convinced about their ability to outdo the national polls through local loyalty as well.

I don't think it works like that on election day.

We are talking small numbers here, the odd seat just hanging on. A sitting MP does still have a small bonus.

The Lib Dems seemed to think they could defy the polls by sheer optimism.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 15 May, 2017 7:03 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
And this is why you (and people like you) need to vote Labour next month - whatever your feelings about Corbyn.
It isn't that easy, IMO

https://capx.co/corbyns-campaign-chief- ... r-tyranny/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yep that guy is a complete and utter wanker. To her credit Helen Pidd called Corbyn out on this, Jezza said he believed that Murray was a democratic socialist.

Which makes Corbyn either a liar or an idiot by any objective score.

People like Murray have never grown up, normal people ditch a belief in Communism and Stalinism at about age 16. You have to wonder why Corbyn even wants to be in the same room as him.

Your last remark makes me think that you think Corbyn has different views from Murray. I think they are much closer politically than that. They are Stop the War/Morning Star comrades. Along with Milne, Fisher, McDonnell, Lansman et al. A vote for a party led by these people endorses them. I'm not doing that.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 7:49 pm

Apparently it is a "right to request"so not a right at all,in any case.I was fortunate/stubborn in the flexible working thing,though I did have the advantage of pointing out the lack of sense in the council having to pay others to cover for what I did so I could do the same things elsewhere,if not flexible,though it did mean a half four start sometimes(competition among ex miners of who got up first was rife)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 7:58 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ersecurity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Warning of NHS cyber-attack risk was not acted on, says cybersecurity adviser

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 8:00 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/social-care ... worker-pay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wage inspectors accused of 'outrageous inconsistency over care worker pay

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 8:02 pm

(Wish they would stop hiding Brindle,he has interesting stuff)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 8:11 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... d-mps-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Debt fears as county court judgments soar by more than a third

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 8:28 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/ ... al-writing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hillsborough, Brexit and gun control: 2017 Orwell prize shortlist announced

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 8:29 pm

Correction short lis

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 8:32 pm

Think I should take a break from crosswords,trying to make an anagram.of rizla.Partly serious,once wondered what the hell I O lines were for about a week until I realised it was ten.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 8:51 pm

I have a key performance indicator of twenty "bollox" a day,not a target of any kind but maintaining a 99% ~~successful~~. level of consistency.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 9:07 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... r-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Today programme team at odds over all-male line-up on day after election

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 9:10 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... d-nodosaur" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Alberta museum unveils world's best-preserved armoured dinosaur

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 9:13 pm

Rizla papers=reprisal zap

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 15 May, 2017 9:29 pm

"UK Labour Party adopts pro-business, militarist election manifesto"

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/0 ... cle_mobile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On Wednesday, a draft of the Labour Party’s manifesto for the June 8 general election was leaked, with several newspapers publishing its contents Thursday amid screaming headlines denouncing it as tantamount to communism.
Later that day, Labour’s Clause 5 committee discussed the draft. The committee includes the nominally left Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, his fierce right-wing critic and deputy leader Tom Watson and other leading party and trade union officials. After the meeting, Corbyn declared to the press that the document had been unanimously agreed and would be officially released next week.
The manifesto has been agreed because it contains all the main demands of the Blairites.

Hmm, One man's, Nominal Lefty is another man's Stop the War/Morning Star comrade.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 9:31 pm

Think I've broken that crossword thread I mentioned with my second offering,it appears to have stuck.They are only on page 998 and been going for a decade or so.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 15 May, 2017 9:43 pm

tinybgoat wrote:"UK Labour Party adopts pro-business, militarist election manifesto"

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/0 ... cle_mobile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On Wednesday, a draft of the Labour Party’s manifesto for the June 8 general election was leaked, with several newspapers publishing its contents Thursday amid screaming headlines denouncing it as tantamount to communism.
Later that day, Labour’s Clause 5 committee discussed the draft. The committee includes the nominally left Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, his fierce right-wing critic and deputy leader Tom Watson and other leading party and trade union officials. After the meeting, Corbyn declared to the press that the document had been unanimously agreed and would be officially released next week.
The manifesto has been agreed because it contains all the main demands of the Blairites.
Hmm, One man's, Nominal Lefty is another man's Stop the War/Morning Star comrade.

So on the one hand Labour has won the election but, on the other, they haven't? Is this the Morton's Fork election?

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Mon 15 May, 2017 9:51 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
https://capx.co/corbyns-campaign-chief- ... r-tyranny/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anyone who gives any credence to the witterings of Oliver Kamm is frankly a cretin. Capx is a alt right site, which displays contempt for race + religion + gender + disability equality, is completely ignorant of historical significance, ignores and distorts historical facts, doctors sources, and can make no claim to objectivity.

If you are pushing that site you are alt-right, you are not anti-fascist; you are on their side - This is the Centre For Policy Studies funded propaganda, fellow nesters, if you are not aware already. It is fake news from tesco value neo-nazis

It is shameful and repugnant that this has been posted here, but a clear demonstration of how this site has been corrupted.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 9:52 pm

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/152837 ... of_Oxford/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BMW boss hints at moving car production out of Oxford.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 10:02 pm

I didn't think my anagram.was that bad.

(Tem's last sentence)

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 15 May, 2017 10:17 pm

Peter Wilby's description of Oliver Kamm

Because of Kamm's position on war and terrorism, the commentator Peter Wilby asserted that while he claims "to be left-wing" Kamm" holds "no discernible left-wing views"

Remind you of anyone?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 10:29 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Mon 15 May, 2017 10:45 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:Peter Wilby's description of Oliver Kamm

Because of Kamm's position on war and terrorism, the commentator Peter Wilby asserted that while he claims "to be left-wing" Kamm" holds "no discernible left-wing views"

Remind you of anyone?

Yeah the people who put an S in NSDAP.

There can be no pretence that people pushing the views on this site are remotely left wing, Labour, or Green. They are neo-cons.

Chomsky's destruction of Kamm is quite brilliant. https://chomsky.info/200601__/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 15 May, 2017 10:53 pm

Temulkar wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
https://capx.co/corbyns-campaign-chief- ... r-tyranny/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Anyone who gives any credence to the witterings of Oliver Kamm is frankly a cretin. Capx is a alt right site, which displays contempt for race + religion + gender + disability equality, is completely ignorant of historical significance, ignores and distorts historical facts, doctors sources, and can make no claim to objectivity.

If you are pushing that site you are alt-right, you are not anti-fascist; you are on their side - This is the Centre For Policy Studies funded propaganda, fellow nesters, if you are not aware already. It is fake news from tesco value neo-nazis

It is shameful and repugnant that this has been posted here, but a clear demonstration of how this site has been corrupted.

I rather like Kamm, as you'd expect.

I don't think "capx" hides its bent.

Which of the facts Kamm states do you think are wrong? Or is it just that the source is wrong, and so can be ignored?

There is of course another member's only site where only one kind of view is ever expressed, that may be more to your liking.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 15 May, 2017 11:04 pm

Temulkar wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Peter Wilby's description of Oliver Kamm

Because of Kamm's position on war and terrorism, the commentator Peter Wilby asserted that while he claims "to be left-wing" Kamm" holds "no discernible left-wing views"

Remind you of anyone?
Yeah the people who put an S in NSDAP.

There can be no pretence that people pushing the views on this site are remotely left wing, Labour, or Green. They are neo-cons.

Chomsky's destruction of Kamm is quite brilliant. https://chomsky.info/200601__/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Right. So you endorse Chomsky's claim that Clinton's bombing of al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant killed several tens of thousands of people?

I don't myself think Chomsky has the better of this.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Mon 15 May, 2017 11:14 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
https://capx.co/corbyns-campaign-chief- ... r-tyranny/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Anyone who gives any credence to the witterings of Oliver Kamm is frankly a cretin. Capx is a alt right site, which displays contempt for race + religion + gender + disability equality, is completely ignorant of historical significance, ignores and distorts historical facts, doctors sources, and can make no claim to objectivity.

If you are pushing that site you are alt-right, you are not anti-fascist; you are on their side - This is the Centre For Policy Studies funded propaganda, fellow nesters, if you are not aware already. It is fake news from tesco value neo-nazis

It is shameful and repugnant that this has been posted here, but a clear demonstration of how this site has been corrupted.
I rather like Kamm, as you'd expect.

I don't think "capx" hides its bent.

Which of the facts Kamm states do you think are wrong? Or is it just that the source is wrong, and so can be ignored?

There is of course another member's only site where only one kind of view is ever expressed, that may be more to your liking.

Why is only your viewpoint welcome here, then? Flythenest is now your site to dictate who can and cannot post? Only spinninghugo sanctioned opinions allowed, only criticisms of Labour allowed, only undermine the left allowed.

That would fit with your neo-nazi ideology wouldn't it, create a safe space to vent your bile and hate, give you free reign to spread the discord and anger that feeds your sorry sad pathetic ego, and has driven so very many people away from this site.

Fuck you! I'm staying, posting and continuing to expose your hypocrisy and lies, convolvulus.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 15 May, 2017 11:24 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Peter Wilby's description of Oliver Kamm

Because of Kamm's position on war and terrorism, the commentator Peter Wilby asserted that while he claims "to be left-wing" Kamm" holds "no discernible left-wing views"

Remind you of anyone?
Yeah the people who put an S in NSDAP.

There can be no pretence that people pushing the views on this site are remotely left wing, Labour, or Green. They are neo-cons.

Chomsky's destruction of Kamm is quite brilliant. https://chomsky.info/200601__/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Right. So you endorse Chomsky's claim that Clinton's bombing of al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant killed several tens of thousands of people?

I don't myself think Chomsky has the better of this.

That would be Chomsky. Genocide denier I assume, famously taken to pieces by Monbiot.

http://www.monbiot.com/2012/05/21/2181/

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 15 May, 2017 11:29 pm

Temulkar wrote:
Why is only your viewpoint welcome here, then? Flythenest is now your site to dictate who can and cannot post? Only spinninghugo sanctioned opinions allowed, only criticisms of Labour allowed, only undermine the left allowed.

That would fit with your neo-nazi ideology wouldn't it, create a safe space to vent your bile and hate, give you free reign to spread the discord and anger that feeds your sorry sad pathetic ego, and has driven so very many people away from this site.

Fuck you! I'm staying, posting and continuing to expose your hypocrisy and lies, convolvulus.

Not at all. I hope all feel free to post their views, including you, however "robustly".

I was referring to your view that my posting a link to a piece by Kamm was "shameful and repugnant" etc. There are other mono-opinion sites available on the internet that you may find more congenial that I can point you towards. You do seem to find different views very provoking.

Try

[LINK REMOVED BY PfY]

Have a good night's sleep.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 May, 2017 11:32 pm

Utter bastard.It is meant to be a safe place,isn't it.Where the fuck are the mods?.Ban this arsehole immediately.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 15 May, 2017 11:42 pm

HindleA wrote:Utter bastard.It is meant to be a safe place,isn't it.Where the fuck are the mods?.Ban this arsehole immediately.

I am puzzled by this, I know we clash, but what rule are you saying I have broken?