Wednesday 17th May 2017
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Wednesday 17th May 2017
Morning all.
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Good Corbyn, one and all
Sorry for missing the Panelbase yesterday. Work.
Headline figures not great
GfK/Business Insider:
CON 48 (+7)
LAB 28 (=)
LD 7 (=)
UKIP 5 (-7)
GRN 3 (-3)
SNP 6 (+1)
3rd-14th
N=1,592
But there is (seriously) some good numbers in there for Corbyn
http://uk.businessinsider.com/poll-jere ... our-2017-5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sorry for missing the Panelbase yesterday. Work.
Headline figures not great
GfK/Business Insider:
CON 48 (+7)
LAB 28 (=)
LD 7 (=)
UKIP 5 (-7)
GRN 3 (-3)
SNP 6 (+1)
3rd-14th
N=1,592
But there is (seriously) some good numbers in there for Corbyn
http://uk.businessinsider.com/poll-jere ... our-2017-5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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And this, as always, v interesting
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Frank Field helpful as ever
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Morning all.
The lack of a Lib Dems 'surge' as predicted immediately after the EU referendum is a bit of a worry when it comes to the south / south west.
The lack of a Lib Dems 'surge' as predicted immediately after the EU referendum is a bit of a worry when it comes to the south / south west.
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There's a slim possibility the Libdems might pull off a comeback in the Wells constituency. Tessa Munt, the previous Libdem MP is standing again and is personally very popular. Meanwhile, James Heappey, the Tory who took her seat, has compounded his already growing unpopularity with this nationally reported incident:StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
The lack of a Lib Dems 'surge' as predicted immediately after the EU referendum is a bit of a worry when it comes to the south / south west.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... schoolgirl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Generally, though, I agree, it's not looking good. Even Bath may be difficult for the Libdems to recapture. The current Tory MP there, Ben Howlett, is pro-EU and an effective politician. I'm not especially hopeful.A Conservative candidate has apologised for telling a Scottish schoolgirl to “fuck off” after she said she would vote for independence if there was a second referendum.
James Heappey, who is standing for re-election in Wells, made the remark during a debate with sixth-formers at the fee-paying Millfield school in Somerset.
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John Rentoul being a dick on Twitter. I put in my 2 pence worth, you'll be glad to hear. I might be underwhelmed by Corbyn, but good economics is good economics whoever it's coming from. I don't really understand why political journalists are so happy to make themselves look like economic illiterates just to cover for the Tories. Where's their intellectual pride?
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It's never Labour supporters. The label is always Corbyn supporters.Willow904 wrote:John Rentoul being a dick on Twitter. I put in my 2 pence worth, you'll be glad to hear. I might be underwhelmed by Corbyn, but good economics is good economics whoever it's coming from. I don't really understand why political journalists are so happy to make themselves look like economic illiterates just to cover for the Tories. Where's their intellectual pride?
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I know there's at least one Rentoul fan that posts here but personally, he's a right Ted.
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"Hello, 999, please state the nature of your emergency "
" There's a big car crash ongoing at the Canary Wharf "
" There's a big car crash ongoing at the Canary Wharf "
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I suppose my rebuttal makes me a "Corbyn supporter" nowStephenDolan wrote:It's never Labour supporters. The label is always Corbyn supporters.Willow904 wrote:John Rentoul being a dick on Twitter. I put in my 2 pence worth, you'll be glad to hear. I might be underwhelmed by Corbyn, but good economics is good economics whoever it's coming from. I don't really understand why political journalists are so happy to make themselves look like economic illiterates just to cover for the Tories. Where's their intellectual pride?
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I know there's at least one Rentoul fan that posts here but personally, he's a right Ted.
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I'm not so sure. Hammond is seen as a pro-EU liberal. Hints May might drop him will go down well with the Kipper vote she's cultivating, I would have thought.StephenDolan wrote:"Hello, 999, please state the nature of your emergency "
" There's a big car crash ongoing at the Canary Wharf "
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Polls taken over that long a time period are always suspect.SpinningHugo wrote:Good Corbyn, one and all
Sorry for missing the Panelbase yesterday. Work.
Headline figures not great
GfK/Business Insider:
CON 48 (+7)
LAB 28 (=)
LD 7 (=)
UKIP 5 (-7)
GRN 3 (-3)
SNP 6 (+1)
3rd-14th
N=1,592
But there is (seriously) some good numbers in there for Corbyn
http://uk.businessinsider.com/poll-jere ... our-2017-5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Good morfternoon.
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Put me in mind of fur balls.[Len McCluskey said]I believe these next three weeks will throw up something that is quite extraordinary. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Some scepticism about his thesis in the comments. Quite correctly IMO.SpinningHugo wrote:And this, as always, v interesting
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The current Tory "coalition" is impressive in size but inherently unstable (even more so than Blair's was in 1997)
It would take a politician of genius to keep it intact for any length of time (even leaving aside the "events" that will inevitably happen)
However much she is puffed up by certain sycophantic stenographers masquerading as "journalists", May is not that person.
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Did anyone hear Hammond's "car crash" interview this morning.
Funny how dear Laura isn't crowing about it....
Funny how dear Laura isn't crowing about it....
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Re the discussion about the LibDems above, their manifesto is out later today.
When are the Tories releasing theirs, btw? The original spin on this was that they would be out of the blocks first, leaving the other parties trailing in their wake......
When are the Tories releasing theirs, btw? The original spin on this was that they would be out of the blocks first, leaving the other parties trailing in their wake......
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Just in case anyone here has been missing Boris Johnson, here he is, in fine fettle -
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Boris Johnson in Sikh temple alcohol gaffe
Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has been visiting a Sikh temple. As Pete Simson from BBC Bristol reports, it hasn’t gone well ... (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Just noticed that the current Mrs Johnson is of Sikh descent (according to Wikipedia), maybe he just hasn't been paying attention.PorFavor wrote:Just in case anyone here has been missing Boris Johnson, here he is, in fine fettle -
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Boris Johnson in Sikh temple alcohol gaffe
Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has been visiting a Sikh temple. As Pete Simson from BBC Bristol reports, it hasn’t gone well ... (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Has she mentioned it yet?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Did anyone hear Hammond's "car crash" interview this morning.
Funny how dear Laura isn't crowing about it....
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Laura K's twitter silence speaks volumesAnatolyKasparov wrote:Has she mentioned it yet?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Did anyone hear Hammond's "car crash" interview this morning.
Funny how dear Laura isn't crowing about it....
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Nope. What's £20bn here or there.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Has she mentioned it yet?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Did anyone hear Hammond's "car crash" interview this morning.
Funny how dear Laura isn't crowing about it....
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Hello?
Anyone there??
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lib-dem-defence-48-rubbish-politics-tim-farron-brexit-manifesto
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A Democratic congressman has become the first to call for Donald Trump’s impeachment from the floor of the House.
Al Green, of Texas, told fellow representatives in Congress: "This is where I stand. I will not be moved. The President must be impeached," he said.
It followed revelations that Mr Trump had pressured James Comey, then the director of the FBI, to drop the investigation into General Mike Flynn.
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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"His pitch to an open, tolerant Britain" - you see, this is the sort of framing that gets peoples backs up.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -manifesto
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Just believing that the referendum result - however much you regret it - should be respected doesn't transform you into a closed minded intolerant bigot.
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Will others join him, do you think? Will he say, "I'm so tired of being alone"?tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 40881.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A Democratic congressman has become the first to call for Donald Trump’s impeachment from the floor of the House.
Al Green, of Texas, told fellow representatives in Congress: "This is where I stand. I will not be moved. The President must be impeached," he said.
It followed revelations that Mr Trump had pressured James Comey, then the director of the FBI, to drop the investigation into General Mike Flynn.
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let me end on a positive note. It is great to finally have at least one of the two main parties putting the case for a large increase in public investment when the government’s borrowing costs are so low. It is great to see one party prepared to raise taxes to stop the growing squeeze on the NHS and the new squeeze on education. It is great that Labour have a fiscal rule which tries to represent current macroeconomic understanding rather than the wisdom of the Swabian housewife. Let’s hope this lasts beyond this election.
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Not all leavers were right wing/tory/ukip either. plenty of left leaners to. And fence sitters who fell that direction when prodded hard enough.AnatolyKasparov wrote:"His pitch to an open, tolerant Britain" - you see, this is the sort of framing that gets peoples backs up.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -manifesto
lib-dem-defence-48-rubbish-politics-tim-farron-brexit-manifesto
Just believing that the referendum result - however much you regret it - should be respected doesn't transform you into a closed minded intolerant bigot.
Bit quiet here....
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Right-wing nutter sending economic markets into tail spins and threatening the global wa (和) all because he's the US President
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I'm so tired of being alone, you ought to be with me. Here I am, full of fire. People get ready, let's stay together, Sha la la.PorFavor wrote:Will others join him, do you think? Will he say, "I'm so tired of being alone"?tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 40881.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A Democratic congressman has become the first to call for Donald Trump’s impeachment from the floor of the House.
Al Green, of Texas, told fellow representatives in Congress: "This is where I stand. I will not be moved. The President must be impeached," he said.
It followed revelations that Mr Trump had pressured James Comey, then the director of the FBI, to drop the investigation into General Mike Flynn.
(on further thoughts, maybe not the 'Sha la la' bit)
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Thankyou. New to me. But yes, what of it we humans can muster.citizenJA wrote:Right-wing nutter sending economic markets into tail spins and threatening the global wa (和) all because he's the US President
Need to recognise properly the contributions here too and turn them around. We have our own shoe loving version.
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la tee da
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continuing from yesterday:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/lav ... 41371.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The case of Lavinia Woodward exposes the troubling inequality at the heart of our justice system
The same mercy should be accorded to another defendant with the aim of becoming a care assistant, or one who was a checkout assistant at Tesco with aspirations towards becoming a supervisor
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Malcolm Xhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ia-scandal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Trump: 'No politician in history has been treated more unfairly'
Nelson Mandela
John F Kennedy
Aung San Suu Kyi
et al
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The Donaeld:
Donaeld The Unready @donaeldunready 9h9 hours ago
LYING SCRIBES taking my note out of context. NOT FAIR! Wouldn't do this to Crooked Aethelflaed. Should read Let this go, or I'll let you go.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... n-patersonSurgeons call for review of safety standards in private hospitals
Royal College of Surgeons says safety fears should be made more transparent after conviction of Ian Paterson last month
In an[sic] letter to the government, the RCS said private healthcare patients had less information about safety concerns in privately run hospitals than those in the NHS. Guardian)
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Russian president Vladimir Putin has offered Congress a transcript of Donald Trump’s Oval Office meeting with Russian officials as proof that Trump did not reveal any intelligence. It was not immediately clear how Putin would have such a transcript available.
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Around seven million* people are not correctly registered to vote in the UK.
That means they can’t have their say in the general election on 8 June 2017.
We don’t have long to get the word out there.
The registration deadline is midnight on Monday 22 May.
*This figure relates to the registers for Parliamentary general elections only.
For local government elections (where more people are eligible to vote), we estimate the number of people who aren’t correctly registered could be as high as eight million.
https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/get-i ... -resources
The total number of UK parliamentary electors in December 2016 was 45,766,000...
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Not to mention Saddam Hussein, Ghadaffi, Ceaucescu, and a host of less savoury creatures. Theres a long line of them good, bad and indifferent.tinyclanger2 wrote:Malcolm Xhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ia-scandal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Trump: 'No politician in history has been treated more unfairly'
Nelson Mandela
John F Kennedy
Aung San Suu Kyi
et al
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The information commissioner has launched an investigation into the way UK political parties target voters through social media with a warning that if they send political messages to people based on their individual data, they could be breaking the law.
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Haven't seen a thing about Hammond speaking this morning
What happened, anyway?
What happened, anyway?
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the understatement:
GP Louise Irvine: ‘Jeremy Hunt has not been a good steward of the NHS’
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Goodnight, everyone
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Glad I got up again to receive that piece of good news. And ordinary people actually vote for the Conservatives?Theresa May to unveil policy of making older people pay for social care
Tory leader hopes strong lead in polls will allow her to get away with ‘difficult but necessary’ measure to tackle growing crisis (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ocial-care
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RIP Rhodri Morgan.
One of the good guys.
One of the good guys.
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Don't know whether this has escaped over the border:
Leaving aside the rather inflammatory "civil war" description, I wonder if such a coalition could work.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/g ... -1-4447944" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Scottish Labour was plunged into civil war last night after the party suspended its group of councillors in Aberdeen for agreeing to form a coalition with the Conservatives on the city council. In an open challenge to Kezia Dugdale’s authority as leader, the nine elected representatives ignored warnings from party officials not to proceed with a power-sharing deal with 11 Tories and three independents.
Leaving aside the rather inflammatory "civil war" description, I wonder if such a coalition could work.
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Doing it in the midst of a GE campaign was asking for trouble, they might at least have had the sense to stall for a few weeks!Eric_WLothian wrote:Don't know whether this has escaped over the border:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/g ... -1-4447944" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Scottish Labour was plunged into civil war last night after the party suspended its group of councillors in Aberdeen for agreeing to form a coalition with the Conservatives on the city council. In an open challenge to Kezia Dugdale’s authority as leader, the nine elected representatives ignored warnings from party officials not to proceed with a power-sharing deal with 11 Tories and three independents.
Leaving aside the rather inflammatory "civil war" description, I wonder if such a coalition could work.
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