Tuesday 30th May 2017

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:21 pm

Radio or mumsnet?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:26 pm

Temulkar wrote:And its funny you link the mumsnet - post chat comments by people like Lisa Muggrdge et al (and itss not as if she is unbiased now is she) but not tothe start of the chat or 4 pages of positive comments before page 5? An oversight I am sure, as the chat itself didnt go to badly at all, now did it...

The fact he was late and then left half an hour earlier than originally scheduled seems to be the main complaint from open minded posters who were genuinely interested in taking part in the event. The impression that mums are only worth twenty minutes is not a good one and his campaign team should be ashamed of themselves. Some did make the point Theresa May hasn't bothered at all and it's not going to make any difference to the outcome of the election, but I don't see how pk1 and I can conclude that the mumsnet chat went well when so many who took part expressed disappointment.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:26 pm

May says she called the election because it was important to to get a mandate for Brexit. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Oh, I thought we'd already got that (the Referendum outcome). Since nothing's changed insofaras we're still no clearer on the way forward or what "Brexit" will comprise of, where's the need for another one?

Edited to add -

nearly put 'what "Brexit" means'. Stopped myself in time. After all, we all know that '"Brexit" means . . .'

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:27 pm

citizenJA wrote:We constructively assist Labour when and if something is wrong and needs putting right, if possible
We're going to have different ideas regarding wrong and if it's a reasonable time to bring it up
I think RogerOThornhill, Willow904 and pk1 have made good points
Mistakes happen and clarification is possible

The difference is that Dr RoT (edit, and you of course CJA

) and willow contribute to the many discussions. Pk1 does a drive-by.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:28 pm

Temulkar wrote:And its funny you link the mumsnet - post chat comments by people like Lisa Muggrdge et al (and itss not as if she is unbiased now is she) but not tothe start of the chat or 4 pages of positive comments before page 5? An oversight I am sure, as the chat itself didnt go to badly at all, now did it...

Page 5 had the comments that were posted after he had been and gone.

Turning up late then naffing off early went down like a cup of cold sick.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 30-May-17 13:09:50
Very sorry to disappoint folks - we were under the impression that Jeremy could spare an hour for us which is the usual duration of our chats but 20 minutes in his team told us he'd have to leave to catch a train at 12.30 We did try to persuade them to stay longer but he had a launch event he had to get to. Apologies for the disappointment. We agree it's not an ideal length of time for a webchat.

If it's a Corbyn love-in you're looking for, maybe try the other place where you'll see the many faces that used to post here.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:29 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Ah pk1, no comments on the May v Corbyn from last night, or is it just a quick comment on The Catastrophic radio interview?

Can't comment on something I didn't watch.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:29 pm

pk1 wrote:
Temulkar wrote:And its funny you link the mumsnet - post chat comments by people like Lisa Muggrdge et al (and itss not as if she is unbiased now is she) but not tothe start of the chat or 4 pages of positive comments before page 5? An oversight I am sure, as the chat itself didnt go to badly at all, now did it...
Page 5 had the comments that were posted after he had been and gone.

Turning up late then naffing off early went down like a cup of cold sick.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 30-May-17 13:09:50
Very sorry to disappoint folks - we were under the impression that Jeremy could spare an hour for us which is the usual duration of our chats but 20 minutes in his team told us he'd have to leave to catch a train at 12.30 We did try to persuade them to stay longer but he had a launch event he had to get to. Apologies for the disappointment. We agree it's not an ideal length of time for a webchat.
If it's a Corbyn love-in you're looking for, maybe try the other place where you'll see the many faces that used to post here.

No comments on last night?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:30 pm

pk1 wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Ah pk1, no comments on the May v Corbyn from last night, or is it just a quick comment on The Catastrophic radio interview?
Can't comment on something I didn't watch.

I see. I'll remember that.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:31 pm

Temulkar wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Ah pk1, no comments on the May v Corbyn from last night, or is it just a quick comment on The Catastrophic radio interview?
It's almost like some people have an agenda, isn't it?

Like belonging to the Labour Party, putting up Labour Party posters, assisting local Labour councillors on local village initiatives - that sort of agenda you mean?

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:33 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
citizenJA wrote:We constructively assist Labour when and if something is wrong and needs putting right, if possible
We're going to have different ideas regarding wrong and if it's a reasonable time to bring it up
I think RogerOThornhill, Willow904 and pk1 have made good points
Mistakes happen and clarification is possible
The difference is that Dr RoT (edit, and you of course CJA ) and willow contribute to the many discussions. Pk1 does a drive-by.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:34 pm

Can we quit the false portrayal of this and other places,not least because at various times this forum is described is exactly the opposite terms,it confuses me.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:34 pm

@StephenDolan
Please don't do this, I beg you
pk1 is Labour
I stand with you all

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:37 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:49 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 2:52 pm

No cock references by Mordaunt noticed so far.I know PF follows such things.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:15 pm

@cja how can stand my us all,given geographical considerations,please clarify.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:22 pm

FWIW if anybody actually agreed with me,beyond the occasional,I would be deeply worried indeed.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:23 pm

citizenJA wrote:@StephenDolan
Please don't do this, I beg you
pk1 is Labour
I stand with you all

Okay cja, for you, I will cease.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:28 pm

HindleA wrote:@cja how can stand my us all,given geographical considerations,please clarify.

figurative stand
not easily shattered

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:31 pm

Danny Shaw‏

BREAKING: Nazir Afzal, chief exe of Association of Police & Crime Commissioners, has resigned in row about media coverage of terror attacks

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:38 pm

I got the kettle on

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:40 pm

Where,head,feet,hob ?the lack of detail is worrying.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:54 pm

HindleA wrote:Where,head,feet,hob ?the lack of detail is worrying.

Mr HindleA, have you supplied us with baked goods?
kettle on the hob
tea is steeping

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:55 pm

May I get away with potential baked tobacco?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 3:56 pm

Speaking at a Labour campaign event in Watford, Jeremy Corbyn apologised for not being able to give the cost of his childcare policy in his Woman’s Hour interview earlier. He said:
I didn’t have the exact figure in front of me, so I was unable to answer that question, for which obviously I apologise. But I don’t apologise for what’s in the manifesto and I will explain exactly what the cost is.

It’s £4.8bn it will cost by the end of the parliament and it means that 1 million children will get childcare, free childcare: 30 hours per week between the years of two and four.
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Ha!
good man
everything fine

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 4:00 pm

HindleA wrote:May I get away with potential baked tobacco?

You roll them yourself, that's okay
home-made baked tobacco
good name for a caramel-chocolate dessert
digestive biscuits crumbled on top

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 4:02 pm

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Growth will be lower if the Conservatives win

mainlymacro

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 4:05 pm

I have apprentices to make my roll ups,since grape peelers were made redundant.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 4:08 pm

"Labour is the party of equality. We were built on the values of social justice, internationalism and human rights.
Our values are rooted in the fundamental truth that whatever your background, wherever you are from,
you should have the means and opportunity to fulfil your potential."

- Jeremy Corbyn
today, Watford

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 4:40 pm

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pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Tue 30 May, 2017 5:15 pm

Good to hear Corbyn castigate the abusers of Emma Barnett after his interview this morning.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 5:54 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 6:03 pm

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Scotland’s new social security benefits revealed

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 30 May, 2017 6:29 pm

pk1 wrote:Good to hear Corbyn castigate the abusers of Emma Barnett after his interview this morning.

Yes, despite what some like to insinuate he has no time for such stuff. Nor can he police the wilder recesses of social media.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 30 May, 2017 6:33 pm

pk1 wrote:Good to hear Corbyn castigate the abusers of Emma Barnett after his interview this morning.

Indeed. Every party has its share of supporters who will come out with stuff that is wince-inducing - social media - and Twitter in particular - has just brought them into the open. But it needs slapping down sharpish and its good to see that happening now.

Edited to spell wince correctly...

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Tue 30 May, 2017 6:56 pm

Stuck record time again:

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Like most who watched, I recall this woman, and certainly recall the "Labour supporter" businessman upset about the abolition of ZHC, the £10 NMW, and VAT on his kids' school fees.

It's bad enough that the BBC peak-time TV news is *leading* on that Woman's Hour thing (3rd or 4th story on the Radio 2 news bulletins I heard today). But shit like this, where they're supposed to distil for and inform people who didn't watch...

Post by **adam** » Tue 30 May, 2017 7:51 pm

Apologies if you've had these already, although not many apologies as they are worth the repeat.

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SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 30 May, 2017 7:54 pm

Out of internet action for boring personal and work reasons. This seemed interesting to me

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pol ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 30 May, 2017 8:09 pm

@SpinningHugo

Ah - there you are. I was beginning to wonder if you'd got tangled up in a guy-rope, somewhere.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 30 May, 2017 8:20 pm

Another excellent interview on the One Show, and obvs he is winning the twitter battle.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 30 May, 2017 8:21 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:Out of internet action for boring personal and work reasons. This seemed interesting to me

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pol ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That looks horribly close to me. Do Corbyn and Co really really want the responsibility of respecting TWOTP and negotiating all the horrendous detail of sorting the assets and liabililities of the divorce ?

The Tories would be overjoyed to be out of the line of fire .

55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Tue 30 May, 2017 8:26 pm

Evening, folks,
A medic chum put this on her BookTube page. It's worth sharing, although I'm sure it's not news to many here.
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It's an explanation of how the Tories will force the sale of NHS land and assets.

55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Tue 30 May, 2017 8:30 pm

frog222 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Out of internet action for boring personal and work reasons. This seemed interesting to me

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pol ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That looks horribly close to me. Do Corbyn and Co really really want the responsibility of respecting TWOTP and negotiating all the horrendous detail of sorting the assets and liabililities of the divorce ?

The Tories would be overjoyed to be out of the line of fire .

I assume this would be coalition territory, which would allow the withdrawal of A50 as a requirement of LibDems and SNP/NI support. That would please a lot of people.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 30 May, 2017 8:40 pm

55DegreesNorth wrote:
frog222 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Out of internet action for boring personal and work reasons. This seemed interesting to me

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pol ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That looks horribly close to me. Do Corbyn and Co really really want the responsibility of respecting TWOTP and negotiating all the horrendous detail of sorting the assets and liabililities of the divorce ?

The Tories would be overjoyed to be out of the line of fire .
I assume this would be coalition territory, which would allow the withdrawal of A50 as a requirement of LibDems and SNP/NI support. That would please a lot of people.

Do you mean overturning TWOTP ?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 30 May, 2017 8:53 pm

This TWOTP. Is it like gnat's-pee?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 May, 2017 9:02 pm

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55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Tue 30 May, 2017 9:04 pm

[quote="frog222"Do you mean overturning TWOTP ?[/quote]

In all seriousness, I could see an argument for suspending TWOTP in order to have a genuinely informed debate, debunking lies and bollocks. A lot of people who voted Brexit would support that.
I believe that if the EU vote had had three options:

1. Leave
2. Remain
3. Fuck off, everybody;

that option 3 would have won.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 30 May, 2017 9:23 pm

55DegreesNorth wrote:[quote="frog222"Do you mean overturning TWOTP ?

In all seriousness, I could see an argument for suspending TWOTP in order to have a genuinely informed debate, debunking lies and bollocks. A lot of people who voted Brexit would support that.
I believe that if the EU vote had had three options:

1. Leave
2. Remain
3. Fuck off, everybody;

that option 3 would have won.[/quote]

Option3 was abstention !!!

55 -- suspending the so-called TWOTP would take a VERY high degree of political skill

Farage, and perhaps some other major Tory brexiteers, would TRY to bring out the Mob, for a start ...

I need to think some more on this, so many variables .... !

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 May, 2017 9:35 pm

sorry. Old information, though somehow I missed the passing of Maya Angelou three years ago. I was pretty unwell in 2014 which might explain why.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 30 May, 2017 9:43 pm

55DegreesNorth wrote:
frog222 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Out of internet action for boring personal and work reasons. This seemed interesting to me

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pol ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That looks horribly close to me. Do Corbyn and Co really really want the responsibility of respecting TWOTP and negotiating all the horrendous detail of sorting the assets and liabililities of the divorce ?

The Tories would be overjoyed to be out of the line of fire .
I assume this would be coalition territory, which would allow the withdrawal of A50 as a requirement of LibDems and SNP/NI support. That would please a lot of people.

I've been hypothesising about this for a while, but had stopped at the Norway option.
Actually overturning TWOTP and withdrawing A50? I'm not sure they should try, selling EFTA would be hard enough.