Friday, 2nd June 2017

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 12:47 pm

Election 2017: Theresa May 'refuses to take part in local and regional interviews'
Prime Minister has opted to not participate in a series of media appearances in the run up to the general election
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 68501.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 12:48 pm

(local and regional BBC)

They said leaders of other parties had agreed to be interviewed and staff had been told not to comment publicly about the prime minister's withdrawal.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 1:00 pm

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/el ... cial-care/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 1:15 pm

I know we really shouldn't be getting our hopes up as we'll almost certainly have then dashed but...

Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 4m4 minutes ago
More
Satisfied / Dissatisfied ratings:

T. May: 43 / 50 (!)
J. Corbyn: 39 / 50
T. Farron: 25 / 44
P. Nuttall: 18 / 55

(via @Ipsos Mori)

More Britons dissatisfied (50%) than satisfied (43%) with Theresa May as PM - first time ever w/ Ipsos Mori.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 1:52 pm

If Tories can buy their way out of their current boondoggle, they'll do it
Fortunately, some things can't be bought

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 2:05 pm

Remember those days when Corbyn was supposedly "less popular than Nuttall"? IN LONDON??

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 2:18 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Remember those days when Corbyn was supposedly "less popular than Nuttall"? IN LONDON??

Hopefully the campaign has put to bed the idea that Corbyn is 'unelectable' and proved the people peddling that shtick are know nothing blowhards with a tory lite agenda.

Jess Phillips attacking Dianne Abbot as snidely as she possibly could with Whitingdale today means it is just a hope, though.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 2:20 pm

If there's one place where I wouldn't mind seeing a "shock" LibDem gain from Labour......

(though it has to be said, John Hemming is also a self-publicising arse)

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 2:46 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:If there's one place where I wouldn't mind seeing a "shock" LibDem gain from Labour......

(though it has to be said, John Hemming is also a self-publicising arse)

It is, as has been said before, like a choice between gonorrhea and syphilis.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 2:50 pm

Oh dear!

Lib Dem spoof estate agency website ‘May and Co’ mocking Tory dementia tax backfires

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/pol ... backfires/

When the Lib Dems set up a spoof estate agency called “May and Co” they were hoping to draw attention to the Conservatives’ so-called dementia tax that would cost people their homes – but it seems they had forgotten to Google the name before the launch.

Unfortunately for the party, May and Co already exists – and it’s an estate agency which has been based in the London borough of Chelsea since 1920.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 2:52 pm

Just a bit of what Ed Miliband said on the World at One:

When it was put to him that May has said she expressed disappointment about Trump’s decision, Miliband replied:

Disappointment is when your football team loses a match. It is not when somebody makes a devastating decision like this. America is one of the two largest emitters in the world, along with China. This decision was backed by every country in the world apart from Syria, which is in the middle of a civil war, and Nicaragua, which wanted us to go further. American leadership was so important to this.
(Politics Live, Guardian - 14.05)

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 3:09 pm

Alan Johnson, blimey.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 3:13 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-cover-up" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scottish government officials accused of 'cash for votes' cover-up

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 3:55 pm

Brexit (brought to you by those most-trusted-with-economy Tories)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 66536.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
George Soros says Brexit negotiations will last years and cause `immense damage'

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 3:59 pm

And I see Joan Ryan is doing her bit now. Shameless.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:06 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 69616.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
'Liar Liar' band Captain Ska to protest outside Radio One over refusal to play anti-Theresa May song

should be happening about now

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:13 pm

Temulkar wrote:And I see Joan Ryan is doing her bit now. Shameless.

Yeah Jessica Elgot saying "candidates" say blah blah blah

Then it turns out to be sodding Joan Ryan.

I didn't even bother replying further.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:15 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 68581.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
British Airways system outage 'caused by IT worker accidentally switching off power supply’

PF?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:21 pm

Captain Ska:

The latest version was released less than a week ago and profits are to be donated to foodbanks and an anti-austerity campaign group.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:28 pm

Why it's scarcely worth the emotional energy hoping Trump is impeached or, you know, croaks it...

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"For some reason".

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:35 pm

"For the left"

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:38 pm

I'm vaguely fascinated (in a ghoulish way) about the degree to which people hate other people.
What's the emotional need that drives the cognitive dissonance of eg: climate change denial?

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:42 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 68581.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
British Airways system outage 'caused by IT worker accidentally switching off power supply’
PF?

That (if it is what happened) shouldn't have killed the entire mission-critical system. There should have been enough built-in redundancy to keep the business going, at least in 'emergency' mode.
Where were the backup systems, copy databases etc? All plugged into the same UPS?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:44 pm

Afternoon all.

I made the mistake of going swimming just as the heavens opened and got soaked even before going in.

Driving home, it's obvious where most of the water is - near the houses which have had the gardens paved over and made into driveways.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:46 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 68581.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
British Airways system outage 'caused by IT worker accidentally switching off power supply’
PF?
That (if it is what happened) shouldn't have killed the entire mission-critical system. There should have been enough built-in redundancy to keep the business going, at least in 'emergency' mode.
Where were the backup systems, copy databases etc? All plugged into the same UPS?

Indeed. One would hope so.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:50 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I'm vaguely fascinated (in a ghoulish way) about the degree to which people hate other people.
What's the emotional need that drives the cognitive dissonance of eg: climate change denial?

Is it hatred of other people causing their denial of climate change? I don't think so. Hatred is a secondary phenomenon climate change denialist feel having to acknowledge they're outside the bounds of rational thinking and action. People don't like change. They don't like inconvenience. The thought of having to down the fossil fuel based economy is scary and intolerable.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:51 pm

You're probably right.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:51 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Afternoon all.

I made the mistake of going swimming just as the heavens opened and got soaked even before going in.

Driving home, it's obvious where most of the water is - near the houses which have had the gardens paved over and made into driveways.

It's the ugliest look I've ever seen, those paved gardens made into driveways

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 4:55 pm

The pollen, pollution and who knows what in my atmosphere has made me one sad citizen today. Imagine the feeling of ten thousand midges hovering and moving on the surface of your entire head.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 5:09 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:You're probably right.

I don't know. I didn't listen to the blustering person interviewed from the link up yonder regarding, 'left wing climate change'. I noted the words and quickly left the site. That person likely operates from a hateful place inside.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 5:10 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 68581.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
British Airways system outage 'caused by IT worker accidentally switching off power supply’
PF?
That (if it is what happened) shouldn't have killed the entire mission-critical system. There should have been enough built-in redundancy to keep the business going, at least in 'emergency' mode.
Where were the backup systems, copy databases etc? All plugged into the same UPS?

I read something saying it wasn't the power going off that was the problem, it was it coming back on on an uncontrolled manner. Maybe it automatically switched to a backup system, then switched back to a now compromised, primary system which could then replicate some.corrupted files onto the standby.
It would be fascinating to know.
..or, maybe not.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 5:20 pm

A global competition, sort of like the Olympics
The contest - create the least polluting international transportation
Sailing vessels, solar powered trains, ships...
It's a damned shame fossil fuel kingpins can't reconfigure their wealth portfolios and leave the world a better place for living creatures

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 5:22 pm

Walking?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 5:22 pm

Motorists speeding past the flat going at least fifty mph
It's a thirty mph zone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 5:28 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Walking?

Yep
Charles Dickens was known to regularly trek twenty miles in a day
Many of his contemporaries did the same
Prior to taking up agricultural pursuits, nomadic human beings did twenty mile walks daily

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 6:04 pm

tinybgoat wrote: I read something saying it wasn't the power going off that was the problem, it was it coming back on on an uncontrolled manner. Maybe it automatically switched to a backup system, then switched back to a now compromised, primary system which could then replicate some.corrupted files onto the standby.
It would be fascinating to know.
..or, maybe not.

Even a PC doesn't recover automatically from a loss of power. When the power is restored it gives you a message and pauses to let you decide how to continue. I would have thought that if it was possible to screw up the BA system, it would have halted until somebody with the appropriate expertise recovered it from the backup system (if there was one).

Maybe that expertise is in India - who knows? It's easy to say what should have happened, after it didn't happen!

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 6:08 pm

The Guardian view on our vote: it’s Labour

Jeremy Corbyn has shown that the party might be the start of something big rather than the last gasp of something small

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... its-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 6:09 pm

http://www.politico.eu/article/germany- ... le-for-eu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the scenario where the U.K. and the EU fail to strike a trade deal and fall back on World Trade Organization rules, the study predicts the U.K. economy would lose 1.7 percent of economic output over the long-term, while German and EU GDP would be 0.2 percent and 0.3 percent below their previous pre-Brexit trajectories, respectively.

So EU can model the effects of no deal (including on UK), but Tories can't.?

55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 6:17 pm

citizenJA wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:I'm vaguely fascinated (in a ghoulish way) about the degree to which people hate other people.
What's the emotional need that drives the cognitive dissonance of eg: climate change denial?
Is it hatred of other people causing their denial of climate change? I don't think so. Hatred is a secondary phenomenon climate change denialist feel having to acknowledge they're outside the bounds of rational thinking and action. People don't like change. They don't like inconvenience. The thought of having to down the fossil fuel based economy is scary and intolerable.

Afternoon folks,
This article discusses the causal links between religiosity, right wingness and climate change denialism. Fascinating, if a little disturbing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... a076c0a26d" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edited to add link.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 6:25 pm

Leo Varadkar has won the vote to become Ireland's next Taoiseach. (BBC)

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 6:34 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
tinybgoat wrote: I read something saying it wasn't the power going off that was the problem, it was it coming back on on an uncontrolled manner. Maybe it automatically switched to a backup system, then switched back to a now compromised, primary system which could then replicate some.corrupted files onto the standby.
It would be fascinating to know.
..or, maybe not.
Even a PC doesn't recover automatically from a loss of power. When the power is restored it gives you a message and pauses to let you decide how to continue. I would have thought that if it was possible to screw up the BA system, it would have halted until somebody with the appropriate expertise recovered it from the backup system (if there was one).

Maybe that expertise is in India - who knows? It's easy to say what should have happened, after it didn't happen!

Many (though not all) pcs can be set in bios to reboot automatically on power being restored, so it is possible, just not always a good idea. I wouldn't think this was likely, but their systems are presumably complex & hard to test (because of lack of quiet periods), so it would be interesting to know what happened.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 7:20 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
The Guardian view on our vote: it’s Labour

Jeremy Corbyn has shown that the party might be the start of something big rather than the last gasp of something small
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... its-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm happy.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 9:46 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 69811.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brexit is the most important single development in British foreign policy since declaring war on Germany in 1939. It is also arguably the worst unforced error ever in British history

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 9:48 pm

The attractiveness of May to the electorate is in keeping with a traditional English liking for authoritarian female rulers as exemplified by Queen Elizabeth I, Margaret Thatcher and Judy Dench as ‘M’ in the James Bond movies.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 9:49 pm

This audience never watched Threads then. Or learnt nothing from it.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 9:49 pm

Indeed, when it comes to playing a weak political hand without buckling, as will be necessary during the Brexit negotiations, all the evidence is that Corbyn is much tougher and more resilient under pressure than the Prime Minister.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 9:51 pm

May revels in an embarrassing way in once having been called “a bloody difficult woman”, but nobody ever called Corbyn “a bloody difficult man” because it would be too obvious to be worth saying.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 9:59 pm

NonOxCol wrote:This audience never watched Threads then. Or learnt nothing from it.

Unfair, plenty didn't agree with the spamheads. Thank heavens for that young woman

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 10:00 pm

HOw did he do?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 02 Jun, 2017 10:08 pm

Temulkar wrote:HOw did he do?

Pretty well apart from that "wobble" over nukes. Though polls show most people support a "no first use" policy anyway.

But really, that spamhead ranting on about "what if we are attacked by Iran or NORTH KOREA"!?! In what universe, exactly??

At least back in the 80s "the Russians" were a vaguely credible bogeyman.