Saturday 3rd and Sunday 4th June 2017

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:02 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70606.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Emmanuel Macron offers refuge to American climate scientists after Donald Trump takes US out of Paris climate deal

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:05 pm

telling juxtaposition on the 'front' of the Independent:

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Kingdommy · Post by **Kingdommy** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:14 pm

[img][img][/img][/img]Hello folks. Long time no see

I'm a bit annoyed and so I posted this on Facebook today.

"As you will have seen from my incessant whinging, I have a bad finger.

There is a serious point to this.

Ideally, I should have had my tendon repaired within 24 hours, 48 max.
However, I had my repair on day 5 by which time my tendon had started to liquefy, so it really wasn't t a big surprise when the repair failed.

So why the delay?

I accept that a regional centre of excellence which has an over representation of military and farming populations is likely to be busy, and my little finger is fairly low priority.

I accept that I was cancelled on two days running, the second time when I was already gowned an in theatre, because of the severity of cases being dealt with.

What I cannot accept is that a regional plastic surgery unit and a regional spinal unit, both centres of excellence, have one theatre between them over the weekend, with one service getting half a day priority over the other.

This is whilst other theatres are idle.

"Well just open them then" I hear you say, and here's the nub.
THERES NO BLOODY MONEY TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THE UNDERFUNDING OF THE NHS.

This is the underfunding of specialist regional units, units not available elsewhere.

My consultant had to have a massive row with managers to open theatres a bit earlier on Sunday to get me done.

It failed, so two more complicated operations for me.
How much more will that cost the NHS?
How much will my inability to work properly cost the NHS?

Make no mistake, this will get worse. For me, I'm likely to have an ok hand, possibly with some reduced function, but it's my little finger, and I'm a shit guitarist so I can live with that.
But what when it's someone's thumb. Or hand. Or hands?"

Do feel free to find me ( dominiccasey) and share if you want.

Bye bye

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:36 pm

@Kingdommy\justinbessou

Hello, there! I wondered where you were and how you are. Very sorry to hear about your tendon - but, otherwise, it's good to hear from you.

Edited- typo

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:47 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Guardian - Labour
Economist - LibDem
FT - Scum
New Statesman - local Labour candidates
Times - Maybot
Telegraph - Maybot
Scum - Scum
Heil - not worth even mentioning
Express - Maybot
Mirror - Labour
(London Evening) Standard - not said but edited by a bloke the Maybot fired

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:48 pm

Can't begin to imagine why the Tories get in so often despite their "very clear" interest in fleecing the British people (regardless of their will)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:49 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:49 pm

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(edited, typo)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 7:50 pm

(who me? emoticon)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 8:19 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Can't begin to imagine why the Tories get in so often despite their "very clear" interest in fleecing the British people (regardless of their will)

Good pun (intentional or otherwise)!

Edited - brackets. Still, I had a good innings . . .

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 8:36 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:telling juxtaposition on the 'front' of the Independent:
independent juxtaposition.png

Wealth everyone creates kept by a few
Regular people working for scanty wages, providing civilisation for everyone
Tory government protecting wealth accumulated using financial products, rentier capitalists

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 8:40 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Can't begin to imagine why the Tories get in so often despite their "very clear" interest in fleecing the British people (regardless of their will)

Tory governments in leadership for fifty-seven (57) of the last ninety-four (94) years

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 8:47 pm

@Kingdommy
Howdy!
May you and your finger have a speedy and complete recovery
Harrowing story, shocking
I've had some health challenges, communication breakdowns regarding prescriptions
No kidding, everyone, Tory government doesn't care for most people
Absolutely shocking mess

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 8:53 pm

Other endorsements are available

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... -interview" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 9:44 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... nst-tories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Banksy offers Bristol electorate free print if they vote against Tories
Anonymous street artist makes limited-edition artwork pledge to six south-west constituencies

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 9:46 pm

General Election: Conservative lead over Labour cut to just one point, new poll finds
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71526.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 9:47 pm

But the findings contrast sharply with a ComRes poll the same day, which suggest the Conservatives still have a healthy 12 point advantage over Labour.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 9:49 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71416.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Outrage as far-right leader linked to Marine Le Pen spotted campaigning for Conservatives

Opponents shocked to see Janice Atkinson, vice-president of Marine Le Pen’s far-right European Parliament grouping, campaigning for Tory Adam Holloway in Gravesend

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 9:56 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:But the findings contrast sharply with a ComRes poll the same day, which suggest the Conservatives still have a healthy 12 point advantage over Labour.

ComedyResults have the Tories on a genuinely ridiculous 47%. The other 5 polls out tonight have them in the 40-45% range, which is the right ballpark IMO.

For now, anyway.......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 10:08 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:But the findings contrast sharply with a ComRes poll the same day, which suggest the Conservatives still have a healthy 12 point advantage over Labour.
ComedyResults have the Tories on a genuinely ridiculous 47%. The other 5 polls out tonight have them in the 40-45% range, which is the right ballpark IMO.

For now, anyway.......

What is "ComRes" actually short for? I can't find out. Although your title is pretty damn good, so I'll stick with that - even if you tell me the real full length name.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 10:16 pm

WP says:

Established in 2003 as Communicate Research Ltd ...

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 10:22 pm

Evening all

Been over to UKPR to get some view on the differences

The big debate seems to be about the treatment of turnout, especially the young voters

One day they are going to come out and vote.....something they have promised before only to not bother....could 2017 be the year?

I have always said that this year is really difficult to predict as models have been built up in different circumstances

My guess is Labour are in the 35-38% range and the Tories in the 40-43% but I have no confidence

The thing is that strikes me is that the Tories are depending on the Brexit voters to come out for them to push that much above 40% - how flaky is that vote going to be when it comes to polling day?

There have been polls today ranging from a 1% Con lead to 12%- someone somewhere has got their models right and someone has got them very wrong

I think, in the end, it is who predicts the youth/woman contribution the best who will get it right

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sat 03 Jun, 2017 10:42 pm

London Bridge incident.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:19 am

Mail on Sunday, with recording of Seumas Milne, by fellow train passenger, talking to Corbyn on mobile.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rrent.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We need, without looking defensive, to seal down the Trident thing': Labour's election campaign in crisis as bombshell leaked tape reveals Jeremy Corbyn thinks it would be 'bonkers' to ever use Britain's nuclear deterrent

Desperate stuff, can't see that this will do any harm,
and the comments seem to be mainly going Corbyn's way.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 7:22 am

Good morfternoon.

And, if you're looking in (and even if you're not), happy birthday Eric_WLothian.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 10:25 am

StephenDolan wrote:London Bridge incident.

Yes, grim stuff again

Looking like all campaigning will be suspended until tomorrow.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 10:58 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:London Bridge incident.
Yes, grim stuff again

Looking like all campaigning will be suspended until tomorrow.

Once she's finished blaming the Internet and pushing her authoritarian policies in a TV address, that is.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:08 am

Did I mishear\misinterpret when I heard Theresa May say that we must stamp out extremism in the public sector?

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:17 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

And, if you're looking in (and even if you're not), happy birthday Eric_WLothian.

Thankyou.

Everybody have a piece of Sainsbury's "happy emoticon" birthday cake.

(They had a "sad emoticon" with a best-by date beyond Thursday. I wonder who they'll sell it to).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:21 am

NonOxCol wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:London Bridge incident.
Yes, grim stuff again

Looking like all campaigning will be suspended until tomorrow.
Once she's finished blaming the Internet and pushing her authoritarian policies in a TV address, that is.

Did much the same thing after Manchester, completely shameless.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:39 am

Nice bloke. He and May aren't far apart in the likeability stakes

Donald Trump has been criticised for tweeting out unconfirmed information about the London Bridge terrorist attack and using the incident to argue in favour of his so-called Muslim travel ban.

The President re-tweeted a headline about the deadly incident at London Bridge and Borough Market from the Drudge Report, a right-wing outlet.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 71731.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:42 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

And, if you're looking in (and even if you're not), happy birthday Eric_WLothian.

Happy Birthday, Eric_WLothian!
Thank you for the cake

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:45 am

No - I'm hearing Theresa May's speech again. And she did say it (well, she actually said "across" the public sector).

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:48 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: Yes, grim stuff again

Looking like all campaigning will be suspended until tomorrow.
Once she's finished blaming the Internet and pushing her authoritarian policies in a TV address, that is.
Did much the same thing after Manchester, completely shameless.

Saying things need to change after 6 years as Home Secretary doesn't look very good for her. It's hard to see how laying off experienced border staff, police and army personnel could in any way be argued to have improved our security over the last 7 years. No point securing powers to spy on everyone on the internet if you have only limited public services to actually follow through on any leads obtained.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:48 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:Nice bloke. He and May aren't far apart in the likeability stakes
Donald Trump has been criticised for tweeting out unconfirmed information about the London Bridge terrorist attack and using the incident to argue in favour of his so-called Muslim travel ban.

The President re-tweeted a headline about the deadly incident at London Bridge and Borough Market from the Drudge Report, a right-wing outlet.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 71731.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Doesn't Trump have other duties to attend to?
The forty-fifth US President sits goofing around on a device tweeting matters of state

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:48 am

Good-morning, everyone

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 11:54 am

Oh dear:

Conservatives attacked for sending leaflets featuring quotes from The Sun to Merseyside homes
Mayor of Liverpool accuses Tories of being 'out of touch' after leaflets distributed in Wirral South feature headlines from paper widely reviled for its coverage Hillsborough disaster coverage

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 71176.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...and whose expenses are they charged to?

The Conservative candidate for the constituency, Dr Adam Sykes, apologised for the leaflets, blaming national party officials for allowing their distribution. Tory party headquarters in London declined to comment.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:02 pm

May said there was “far too much tolerance of extremism in our country” and that she wanted to stamp it out.

So we need to become far more robust in identifying it and stamping it out across the public sector and across society. (Guardian Live)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

Willow904 wrote: Saying things need to change after 6 years as Home Secretary doesn't look very good for her. It's hard to see how laying off experienced border staff, police and army personnel could in any way be argued to have improved our security over the last 7 years. No point securing powers to spy on everyone on the internet if you have only limited public services to actually follow through on any leads obtained.

(cJA edit)

Yes, exactly.

Are Tories and those supporting them hoping we're too dazed, ignorant or frightened to make that simple connection? Tory minister/prime minister/MP in the same Tory government leading the country for over seven (7) years and who does T May blame now? 'public sector extremists'?

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

PorFavor wrote:
May said there was “far too much tolerance of extremism in our country” and that she wanted to stamp it out.

So we need to become far more robust in identifying it and stamping it out across the public sector and across society. (Guardian Live)

She could start by stamping on Farage and his cronies.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:13 pm

I'm sure (am I?) she doesn't mean "the public sector" in the usual sense, but it was a bit of a careless thing to say.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:15 pm

Given the thrust of May's speech today, this article from Wednesday is particularly interesting:

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... udi-arabia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An investigation into the foreign funding and support of jihadi groups that was authorised by David Cameron may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.

The inquiry into revenue streams for extremist groups operating in the UK was commissioned by the former prime minister and is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which has repeatedly been highlighted by European leaders as a funding source for Islamist jihadis.

The investigation was launched as part of a deal with the Liberal Democrats in exchange for the party supporting the extension of British airstrikes against Islamic State into Syria in December 2015.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:20 pm

PorFavor wrote:I'm sure (am I?) she doesn't mean "the public sector" in the usual sense, but it was a bit of a careless thing to say.

Quite bizarre! As a former civil servant, I consider myself to be part of society.
Now I have a Monty Python-like vision of a Ministry of Extremism.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:34 pm

"...we cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed. Yet that is precisely what the internet –
and the big companies that provide internet-based services – provide. We need to work with allied, democratic
governments to reach international agreements that regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremism and
terrorist planning. And we need to do everything we can at home to reduce the risks of extremism online.

...it also means taking action here at home. While we have made significant progress in recent years, there is – to be frank –
far too much tolerance of extremism in our country.

So we need to become far more robust in identifying it and stamping it out – across the public sector and across society.
That will require some difficult and often embarrassing conversations, but the whole of our country needs to come together
to take on this extremism – and we need to live our lives not in a series of separated, segregated communities but as one
truly United Kingdom."

- Theresa May
from statement following London terror attack
4 June 2017

What are Tories going for here, please? Big companies providing Internet access got to go? Do we have to turn in our
desktops, laptops, phones, mobile Internet connection units? Who is Theresa May going to stamp out in the public sector
and society? Who's she referring to? The public sector includes law enforcement, healthcare providers, judges, legal
professionals, environmental safety workers, democratically elected representatives....
What's going to be 'embarrassing', exactly?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:49 pm

Within eight minutes suspects were dead: timeline of the London Bridge attack

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... dge-attack" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They were the attackers, right?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 12:50 pm

I think that is beyond reasonable doubt, yes.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 1:09 pm

Theresa May's confrontational approach to police reform as home secretary coming back to haunt her, I think:

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 1:33 pm

It wasn't clear who was speaking in the above clip, but I've tracked them down. It's a former senior met officer, Peter Kirkham, and he raised similar points after the Westminster attack. From March 2017:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 46421.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Official Home Office figures show that the number of Metropolitan firearms officers dropped by a quarter, from a high of 2,856 in 2010, to 2,139 by last year.

From what he says in the clip I gather there has been a promise to reverse that cut by 2020 but any claims that has already happened are false.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 2:11 pm

You makes your bed...

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NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 04 Jun, 2017 2:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:
May said there was “far too much tolerance of extremism in our country” and that she wanted to stamp it out.

So we need to become far more robust in identifying it and stamping it out across the public sector and across society. (Guardian Live)

Her Facebook transcript (which can presumably be edited to correct instances of mis-speaking) also reads "public sector".