Tuesday 6th June 2017

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 2:49 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Weather is looking awful for Thursday. Bloody hell.

Could actually work against the Tories, if their support tends to be softer and less enthusiastic.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:01 pm

StephenDolan wrote:May and Johnson indicating that the Tory playbook now consists of lying and repetition of over Shoot to kill. What a positive campaign she's ran.

Being 'cut off on the Continent' I missed the beginnings of the Shoot to Kill saga . My first thought was that it refered to the 3 unarmed IRA long ago in Gibraltar, but I expect there's a more recent origin .

Is one supposed to Shoot to Wound ?

Or just to carry a bang-bang but never use it ?

Mystified from Normandy !

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:05 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Weather is looking awful for Thursday. Bloody hell.
Could actually work against the Tories, if their support tends to be softer and less enthusiastic.

(cJA edit)

I thought the same

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:05 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... gures-show" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thousands of children's operations cancelled each year, NHS figures show

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:11 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/social-care ... ocial-care" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:12 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/social-care ... -look-like" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:23 pm

Banksy forced to withdraw offer to send free artwork to non-Tory voters

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... -withdrawn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay, okay...it's been withdrawn, Banksy's offer. It's for the best, that withdrawal, it was going to cause electoral problems and we don't need any of those. I love Banksy's work. It's graffiti.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:43 pm

Dan Hodges is not interested in Saudi funding. His answer to everything is:

"Kill them!"

Edited to add -

He was interviewed on Sky News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUP3A9imOYU

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:47 pm

Priti Patel, the international development secretary, clearly does not believe that Diane Abbott is ill. (See 2.24pm.) CCHQ has issued this statement from Patel:

Jeremy Corbyn wants to make Diane Abbott home secretary in just two days but is hiding her away from voters.

*deep deep sigh*

And in all likelihood they're going to get away with this.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 4:04 pm

Politics Live, Guardian - comments are closed again owing to an incident in Notre Dame. Although I don't understand why it's necessary to close down comments.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 4:06 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -cathedral" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 4:10 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/t ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 4:12 pm

http://www.respiratoryfutures.org.uk/debate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 4:21 pm

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/how- ... king-class" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 5:12 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 5:55 pm

Listening to various versions of George Kranz's, Trommeltanz, Din Daa Daa, dancing around the flat
The Roots cover is good

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:14 pm

BA meltdown: switching off and on again may have caused IT crisis

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... passengers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It did not
I got your back, PorFavor

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:19 pm

citizenJA wrote:Listening to various versions of George Kranz's, Trommeltanz, Din Daa Daa, dancing around the flat
The Roots cover is good

I long maintained, and sought to prove, that the song "On Broadway" was so well written that it couldn't be ruined by anyone. To that end, I sought out loads of versions ranging from "The Drifters'" version to Gary Numan's version. Then I came across Neil Young's version . . .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:35 pm

[youtube]m_Yyx_8EdY0[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:38 pm

It's the exception that proves the rule.

(Does anyone understand that statement? I know I don't.)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:42 pm

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/exce ... -rule.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:46 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/exce ... -rule.html

Thanks! All is now clear. I should have thought about it more clearly.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:49 pm

@HindleA

That's a much better Neil Young rendition than the one I found!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:53 pm

My brother is a walking phrase book,he uses "better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick" quite a lot.At a theoretical level I would think in most cases it would be hard to argue against,though never had my eye so poked,and it is vague as to level of thrust and particular gouging effect and which eye etc not a definitive statement that can universally applied.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:58 pm

HindleA wrote:My brother is a walking phrase book,he uses "better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick" quite a lot.At a theoretical level I would think in most cases it would be hard to argue against,though never had my eye so poked,and it is vague as to level of thrust and particular gouging effect and which eye etc not a definitive statement that can universally applied.

"He wouldn't give you the drippings off his nose" was one of my granddad's utterances.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:59 pm

Ha ha.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:02 pm

I like "shake warmly by the throat"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:03 pm

"Where do you think you are,your Mother's yacht?"

Post by **refitman** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:04 pm

frog222 wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:May and Johnson indicating that the Tory playbook now consists of lying and repetition of over Shoot to kill. What a positive campaign she's ran.
Being 'cut off on the Continent' I missed the beginnings of the Shoot to Kill saga . My first thought was that it refered to the 3 unarmed IRA long ago in Gibraltar, but I expect there's a more recent origin .

Is one supposed to Shoot to Wound ?

Or just to carry a bang-bang but never use it ?

Mystified from Normandy !

The Gibraltar incident is what "shoot to kill", as a policy, refers to and that is what JC was answering. However, Kuenessberg used the phrase in relation to armed police shooting dead terrorists/armed attackers etc and deliberately conflated the two. This is why the BBC was censured over it.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:21 pm

Has everyone received their Theresa May letter in the mail yet? I can't remember if it's been mentioned. I'm angry about it, I'm angry with what's in it.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:24 pm

citizenJA wrote:Has everyone received their Theresa May letter in the mail yet? I can't remember if it's been mentioned. I'm angry about it, I'm angry with what's in it.

I haven't had one. Cut to the quick, I am.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:25 pm

She makes it sound as though this GE has been foisted upon her, not called by her

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:28 pm

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Has everyone received their Theresa May letter in the mail yet? I can't remember if it's been mentioned. I'm angry about it, I'm angry with what's in it.
I haven't had one. Cut to the quick, I am.

Don't be. It's likely sent because we're in a region where many had voted Leave. I'm so angry I'm unable to post a copy of it just now. I thought just covering the name at the top would be sufficient but there's personalised content within the document. The intimacy the woman presumes is offensive.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:40 pm

She's been in Tory government for over seven years
All the austerity choices Tory leadership made she's promising to make better if people vote Tory some more
Strong and stable is in there too many times

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:41 pm

Her personal rudeness towards Jeremy Corbyn is vile

edited to add

The entire letter (two sides) is ugly, disingenuous, cultivating fear, threatening terrible things happening if she's not returned to government. I can't stress that enough. I'm just staggered by it.

Labour communications to me have been factual and completely without personal ugliness.

I've never read anything so wholly and totally unprofessional as Theresa May's letter contents.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:53 pm

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetory ... abour.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wouldn't bother reading the article, but what was interesting is the prominently placed NUT advert,
(unless it's just my phone)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:53 pm

I am not as put out by it,as Cameron's misuse of HMRC information to thank us for our part,as employers,in their long term economic plan whilst simutaneously playing the "sitting at home,doing nothing"for x years" game.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:56 pm

refitman wrote:
frog222 wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:May and Johnson indicating that the Tory playbook now consists of lying and repetition of over Shoot to kill. What a positive campaign she's ran.
Being 'cut off on the Continent' I missed the beginnings of the Shoot to Kill saga . My first thought was that it refered to the 3 unarmed IRA long ago in Gibraltar, but I expect there's a more recent origin .

Is one supposed to Shoot to Wound ?

Or just to carry a bang-bang but never use it ?

Mystified from Normandy !
The Gibraltar incident is what "shoot to kill", as a policy, refers to and that is what JC was answering. However, Kuenessberg used the phrase in relation to armed police shooting dead terrorists/armed attackers etc and deliberately conflated the two. This is why the BBC was censured over it.

Thanks for the reply !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... red-online" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At 4.18 in the vid she asks her trick question -

“If you were prime minister would you be happy to order people, police or military, to shoot to kill on Britain’s streets.”

( Shoot to kill in the Gibraltar example was killing the unarmed . )

If Corbyn thought that was what she meant, he could have said so, but he could have and should have corrected her use of the phrase when applied to the recent Bataclan situation ( which they had been discussing before...) when the police OBVIOUSLY shoot at the armed criminals/fanatics.

Who may survive, or not .

She trapped him with that precise phrase, but his answer was very very sloppy . Just look ---

"I am not happy with the shoot to kill policy in general. I think that is quite dangerous and I think it can often be counterproductive. I think you have to have security which prevents people firing off weapons where you can and there are various degrees of doing things, as we know, but the idea you end up with a war on the streets is not a good thing. Surely you have to work to try and prevent these things happening. That has got to be the priority."

Hopeless then, in November 2015, but I think he's sharpened up a bit since .

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:04 pm

No Theresa May letter for me, unlike the Overseas French who can all vote .

I left forty years ago .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:08 pm

Tinybgoat,I got investment guides,anti aging cream and bundles of blunt stick adverts when I went there.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:14 pm

May: I’ll rip up human rights laws that impede new terror legislation (Guardian)

It might sound appealing on the face of it, but what Human Rights Laws would need to go? And how would it affect the Human Rights of people more generally? Law of "unintended" (ha ha) consequences.

Edited -

Sorry. Forgot to provide link

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... egislation

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:20 pm

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:20 pm

Subscriptions to "The Week" and some clothing seller called "Romwe"?!

What advertising algorithm are Conservative Home using?

I normally get ads for stuff I just bought from Littlewoods. Which really is the extreme in tailored advertising.

(What is "Romwe" anyway? It's a terrible name for, well, anything.)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:22 pm

citizenJA wrote:
t_may letter_page2_GE_2017_.jpg

The woman's a dangerous egomaniac.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:35 pm

NonOxCol wrote:Re Johnson (I will never call him 'Boris' on principle):

More interested to learn that he'll be happy to welcome Trump to London, and doesn't see it as his job to intervene in a dispute between Trump and his predecessor.

I'm quite taken with the argument that jollifying this truly despicable shit of a man on HIGNFY etc was one of the harbingers of our current malaise.

Yes.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:37 pm

Is this Philip May's theme tune?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:38 pm

'now is not the time to risk our country's future', Theresa May?
Then why you'd call the GE you careless Tory?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:41 pm

PorFavor wrote:Is this Philip May's theme tune?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk

Oh, my
It's funny if it's not about someone currently occupying No 10

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:41 pm

the woman's a headcase.
(that's TM)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 06 Jun, 2017 8:44 pm

tinybgoat on laptop got the NUT schoolcuts banner thing.