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NonOxCol wrote:Morning.

Amused today by Kuenssberg uncritically repeating the goatskin excuse on Twitter...

...and Huw Edwards pointing out that it shouldn't be a reason for delay.

NonOxCol wrote:Morning.

Amused today by Kuenssberg uncritically repeating the goatskin excuse on Twitter...

...and Huw Edwards pointing out that it shouldn't be a reason for delay.

So, Theresa, as you talk to the DUP, are you willing to walk away? Is no deal better than a bad deal?

adam wrote:UK inflation up to 2.9% against expectation of 2.7% - four-year high figure.

adam wrote:The follow up discussion on the business blog at the graun says, amongst other things...

* That BoE prediction was for inflation to peak at 2.8% in Q4 this year
* That the prediction for tomorrow's figures for wage growth is 2% so there is a significant fall in real wages developing
* That there is an expectation that inflation will continue to rise

There is also an 'it's people's actual experience of the real economy, stupid' explanation buried in there - 2015, sustained real wage growth against inflation, government win. 2017 - beginnings of real wages falling against inflation, government fail to win.

Guardian Business Blog wrote:A Treasury spokesperson has responded to the jump in inflation, saying:
‘The government is helping families with the everyday cost of living by keeping taxes low, freezing fuel duty and increasing the National Living Wage.
A typical basic rate taxpayer now pays £1,000 less income tax than in 2010 and increases in the National Living Wage mean £1,400 extra a year for a worker since its introduction.’

David Allen Green‏ @davidallengreen 1m1 minute ago
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Theresa May has just sacked half the ministers at @DExEUgov, days just before the Brexit negotiations begin.

Seriously.

The problem the Tories have is their policies have, for the last seven years, relentlessly attacked people in work, and younger people in particular. With their indifference regarding wages, security at work, job quality, house building, and their continued application of zombie austerity, they are bedding down a reflex hostility to their party that will last for longer, which is going to negatively impact their chances among these age groups, while their present support continues to die off.

Tes Further Ed‏ @tesfenews 13m13 minutes ago
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.@Halfon4Harlow "not really given a reason" as he is dismissed as apprentices and skills minister

RogerOThornhill wrote:Not really a surprise given the reaction by edu people.

Tes Further Ed‏ @tesfenews 13m13 minutes ago
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.@Halfon4Harlow "not really given a reason" as he is dismissed as apprentices and skills minister

UK Education Matters‏ @SchoolDuggery 2m2 minutes ago
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Exclusive: Further blow for grammar schools plan as Ark boss speaks out against selection https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/br ... speaks-out" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; … Ark and Harris are out

pk1 wrote:Good piece by Rupert Myers (no idea who he is or his political leaning) on what Labour needs to do to win the next GE

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/la ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan wrote:

pk1 wrote:Good piece by Rupert Myers (no idea who he is or his political leaning) on what Labour needs to do to win the next GE

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/la ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The central message for Labour to absorb is that they lost, and that they are a long way from victory. There is much smugness and hubris mixed in with their jubilation, and already signs that they are more interested in rubbing their result in the faces of moderates than in moving on to what they need to do to win"

Hmm.

[Ed Miliband has] got a new job. The former Labour leader will guest present Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine Show for the week beginning Monday 19 June, while Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader, will guest present for the following. (Politics Live, Guardian)

HindleA wrote:@Gilsey,in short no/not necessarilly,a nanosecond is a long time in politics.Personally,hoping older people die off more for party politcal reasons not particularly progressive,I prefer a more positive approach.

HindleA wrote:I reserve the right to claim,the evidence is there,I was indisputably correct.on any prediction I made.I didn't actually give one elsewise that proved me indisputably wrong,(but elevating to a score draw in assumptive terms)yet.I look forward,and work towards hopefully being so indisputably wrong in the future.

PorFavor wrote:Does anyone know who's involved in this DUP meeting - other than Arlene Foster, Nigel Dodds and Theresa May? Who, for instance, is Nigel Dodds' counterbalance?

howsillyofme1 wrote:

HindleA wrote:I reserve the right to claim,the evidence is there,I was indisputably correct.on any prediction I made.I didn't actually give one elsewise that proved me indisputably wrong,(but elevating to a score draw in assumptive terms)yet.I look forward,and work towards hopefully being so indisputably wrong in the future.

I add you to my list of incredible predictors

So far

Hindle
Tem ermmmmmm that's it so far

I was shit!

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

howsillyofme1 wrote:

HindleA wrote:I reserve the right to claim,the evidence is there,I was indisputably correct.on any prediction I made.I didn't actually give one elsewise that proved me indisputably wrong,(but elevating to a score draw in assumptive terms)yet.I look forward,and work towards hopefully being so indisputably wrong in the future.

I add you to my list of incredible predictors

So far

Hindle
Tem ermmmmmm that's it so far

I was shit!

I predicted Tory majority of 2, but not on here

howsillyofme1 wrote:Afternoon all

I can't remember who said it but I agree with the person who said that it is amazing that all those pundits who were completely wrong about the chances of Corbyn and his potential electability now feel that they have the right to opine so strongly on what he must do to take the next step

Sorry if I get a bit annoyed about that

It should also be worth mentioning that most of us on this site, excluding one or two contributors, were miles out in our predictions. I am a supporter of the Labour leadership and even I was predicting an increased Tory majority.....I didn't trust my own instincts that the Tory vote was soft or that the pollsters methodologies were wrong, even though I had drawn those conclusions already

Tem was probably the only person on here who was confident Labour would do better than predicted (and he isn't even a supporter) and there were others confidently predicting 150 seats and 20% of the vote up until fairly recently

I am fed up to read people who were consistently wrong telling the leadership they must do this, or must include that person when they have been so wrong in the past.

The article above is a case in point. Inside it are some pretty arrogant dismissals of the Labour leadership. Some snide comments about smugness and then the great pompous wisdom to say that the party 'needs Liz Kendal to be involved'. Excuse me if I say that Liz Kendall has achieved absolutely nothing and been invisible apart from occasional criticisms of the the direct ion that the leadership was taking

I agree that to get the best there are probably some people who haven't contributed much since 2010 who could be involved in the SC - I hope Ed is ready to come back and Clive Lewis would be a good addition in my opinion

A lot of the others though have not demonstrated anything to help the party recently though. They may have a contribution to make but they have to earn the right and the confidence of the leader to be called back to the front bench. He cannot ask people to come back who have resigned in a pique and criticised him as some of those proposed have done. It is up to them to show they have earned he right to come back, rather than for him to go begging them to come back

Labour did pretty well without them

As to the comment on Corbyn not being a great Commons performer. That is true to a certain extent but not as much as the author made out - in fact, how do we know? It isn't easy to seem good in the HoC with a load of petulant children sitting behind you - more eager to support the Opposition than their own 'unelectable' leader

And again we have the old meme about 'Labour can't win without Blair' - times have move on and any commentator that says that loses me completely - I read the rest with a very critical eye

So, I think political commentators should learn to have a bit of humility after their complete inability to predict the election - which is what they should be able to do. Stop telling us what we must do and perhaps make some humble suggestions.

There may be another election in 6 months and for that time Labour has to be united and focusing attack on the Tiories. Anyone else who repeats the comments of Chris Leslie should be ostracised as Clive Lewis did the other day.

Even if people do not get back on the front bench they need to get out there and support the party for whom they are a representative. There is no room for disloyalty at the moment as we may have a chance to gain power at some point soon

John Major says he is 'dubious' of proposed Tory/DUP pact

And he says other parts of the UK will be angered if the deal involves Northern Ireland getting extra funding. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis))