Thursday 15th June 2017

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:43 pm

The question that needs answering is why was this product not taken off the market (and the building it has covered) as soon as the problems with it were identified? It is used internationally.

Cladding in London high-rise fire also blamed for 2014 Melbourne blaze
A fire at the Lacrosse building in Melbourne’s Docklands in 2014 is strikingly similar to London blaze as investigations point to cladding used in buildings
"There have been reports of fires involving aluminium cladding in residential towers in France, the United Arab Emirates, South Korea and the US."

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:44 pm

Not sure when Hurd is making statement,now but will be televised.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:45 pm

@AngryAsWell
Thank you!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:47 pm

HindleA wrote:Not sure when Hurd is making statement,now but will be televised.

I don't have a television

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:48 pm

HindleA wrote:Not sure when Hurd is making statement,now but will be televised.

Has the position now changed from this -

Nick Hurd, the fire minister, is going to speak to MPs in Westminster Hall at 1.30pm about the Grenfell Tower fire.

But it is not a proceeding of parliament, and it will not be televised. I’m heading off there now to cover it in person. I will be blogging about it in the Grenfell Tower blog. (Politics Live, Guardian)

?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:48 pm

I-player?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:49 pm

@PF info keeps changing.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:50 pm

###k knows

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:55 pm

Government in hiding

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 1:58 pm

HindleA wrote:Newsnight,referenced earlier worth a look,if not seen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... tower-fire" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, I thought it was very good.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:01 pm

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Now House say again we can't televise the proceedings of the Hurd statement, even tho number 10 told me we can

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:12 pm

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:12 pm

we've zero strong and stable sighting

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:14 pm

@Peterwalker99 relaying information.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:15 pm

HindleA wrote:@Peterwalker99 relaying information.

I like Peter Walker a lot

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:20 pm

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UK welfare benefits fall short of international standards

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:21 pm

Now on telly

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:23 pm

Housing minister speaking,in case wondering.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:24 pm

I did a four-mile hike in an hour early this morning
I'm not a kid any more

I'll check in later
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:24 pm

We know the fucking background,stop the prevarication,what are going to do.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:27 pm

Go on Karen.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:29 pm

Oh, I can assure him that some find it very easy to disagree....

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:32 pm

Excellent thread on red tape and regulation

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:46 pm

Where's the Council in this? Shouldn't they be there helping with the distribution of aid? Can't see any evidence of their helping out.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:51 pm

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Loads of empty flats (land banks) in Kensington. @jeremycorbyn right that govt should requisition to rehouse Grenfell survivors

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 2:56 pm

Interesting. May well stop the spin that accompanies any release of stats that don't fit the narrative.

Jonathan Portes‏ @jdportes 8m8 minutes ago
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Jonathan Portes Retweeted Hetan Shah
A round-robin letter from statisticians & economists that worked! Ministers/civil servants won't see ONS stats before rest of us any more

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 3:01 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Interesting. May well stop the spin that accompanies any release of stats that don't fit the narrative.

Jonathan Portes‏ @jdportes 8m8 minutes ago
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Jonathan Portes Retweeted Hetan Shah
A round-robin letter from statisticians & economists that worked! Ministers/civil servants won't see ONS stats before rest of us any more

That should make PMQs a bit more interesting.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 3:05 pm

Surely even the most obtuse apologist can read this graph:

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StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 3:09 pm

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 4:11 pm

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Empathy.
Humanity.
Leadership.
@jeremycorbyn #grenfell

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NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 4:14 pm

Shitrag is as shitrag does:

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 4:29 pm

"In case you thought we'd changed"

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 4:36 pm

And where one starts, the other follows:

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 4:43 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/star ... commission" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Start date announced for negotiations with European Commission

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 4:47 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... meter-poll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Research and analysis
Social mobility barometer poll

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 5:01 pm

NonOxCol wrote:Shitrag is as shitrag does:

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I was going to wonder out loud here when this would start. I then thought it was:

a) probably a flight of fancy;

b) in incredibly bad taste; and

c) a bit melodramatic.

I should have known better.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 5:16 pm

Jesus, what was the phrase again? "In office, but not in power"??

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 5:33 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Jesus, what was the phrase again? "In office, but not in power"??

Sinn Fein I presume?

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 5:41 pm

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There are no words for this shower.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 5:58 pm

Evening all

One party looks like a Government and one doesn't....

All the useful interventions today have come from one side....and it isn't the Tories!

Confidence doesn't half make a difference!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 6:01 pm

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 6:02 pm

NonOxCol wrote:

There are no words for this shower.

Oh yes there are.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 6:05 pm

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Europe used to have a fearful respect of the Tories. But those days have long since passed. Now, the weakened party may have accidentally killed off Brexit -- a pet project that most party leaders didn't want in the first place.

From that Europe (and yet miraculously in English).

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 6:06 pm

Indeed, the party of Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher has turned into a gaggle of high rollers and unwitting clowns.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 6:44 pm

Can't say as I'm any great fan of Winston Churchill - but I'm guessing that the person quoted was.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 6:57 pm

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Woman ‘forced to sit in her own urine for two hours’ by PIP assessor

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 7:03 pm

We are very concerned you were able to tell people about it,a DWPbot said.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 8:14 pm

Peter Jukes is tweeting that two Sun hacks impersonated victims' relatives in order to gain hospital access.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 8:19 pm

So...QT tonight.

David Dimbleby chairs topical debate from Coventry. On the panel are Conservative defence minister Tobias Ellwood, Labour's shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, Lib Dem former health minister Norman Lamb, co-founder of the Conservative Woman website Laura Perrins, and Rob Delaney, comedian, writer and star of the sitcom Catastrophe.

Nope.

Some of the articles up there this week about Labour brainwashing kids - including an amazing one on nurseries! - have been deranged. Real whiny "why doesn't anyone like us?" stuff.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 15 Jun, 2017 8:38 pm

This thread pretty much sums up the ludicrousness of May's current position.

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