Thursday 15th June 2017
Posted: Thu 15 Jun, 2017 7:12 am
Morning all.
When did the bolded bit suddenly enter her calculations? She's not mentioned it before.The Conservatives and the DUP have been holding back their expected announcement of a minority government deal due to the tragic events in west London. Theresa May also wants time for talks with Sinn Féin and other Northern Ireland parties because of potential implications for power-sharing in Stormont. She is expected to meet parties today at Downing Street. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
From the Graun business live blogRetail sales volumes across the UK plunged by 1.2% in May as inflation bites deeper into household budgets. This is a deeper fall than the 0.8% decline expected, and will fuel worries that the UK economy is faltering.
This is xxxxxx than expected. The last set of economic data that matched that predicted was? Erm...adam wrote:From the Graun business live blogRetail sales volumes across the UK plunged by 1.2% in May as inflation bites deeper into household budgets. This is a deeper fall than the 0.8% decline expected, and will fuel worries that the UK economy is faltering.
I know there are more important things right now, but I can't see all this helping any putative future leadership campaign.StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
After seeing that Johnson at the London Assembly clip my blood is boiling.
It's early on but I can imagine a number of local government employees have been lined up to be pushed under the bus.
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The victims of this horrific disaster must not also suffer lies & blame-shifting, then have to fight years for the truth. #GrenfellTower
the Tories’ real problem was that they went into this election entirely bereft of their usual Unique Selling Point. The Conservatives were not conservative. They were not a safe pair of hands. That normal vibe the Tories exude of ‘you don’t need to love us, but at least we can hold stuff together’ was missing the entire last part. They were not, in a nutshell, a safe and lazy vote for the risk-averse. Nobody was. And thus, in an election with only mad, risky shit on offer, there was simply no particular reason for the electorate to choose the particular mad, risky shit that was wearing a blue rosette.
PorFavor wrote:Queen's speech on for 21st June, apparently.
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Sky sources: No agreement yet between Conservatives and DUP, despite Leader of the House confirming Queen's Speech next Wed.
Majority Maths catch-upRogerOThornhill wrote:PorFavor wrote:Queen's speech on for 21st June, apparently.
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Sky sources: No agreement yet between Conservatives and DUP, despite Leader of the House confirming Queen's Speech next Wed.
Deputy speakers don't vote,. You have to take them off as well.adam wrote:Majority Maths catch-upRogerOThornhill wrote:PorFavor wrote:Queen's speech on for 21st June, apparently.
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Sky sources: No agreement yet between Conservatives and DUP, despite Leader of the House confirming Queen's Speech next Wed.
650 MPs - 7SF - The Speaker = 642 / 2 = 321+1 = 322 for a guaranteed majority
Cons - 317
Everyone else - SF - Speaker (so everyone else -8) = 321
(I think
Labour 262
SNP 35
LibDem 12
DUP 10
IndUnionist 1
Green 1)
Would the DUP risk bringing the government down on a confidence vote and forcing another election?
What happens to deputy speakers in votes?
Even earlier, there was his speech just after the 2011 riots. Health and safety laws to blame, apparentlyNonOxCol wrote:A couple of people have posted this at the Guardian:
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Just for those (like d'Ancona for instance) who still think he was a soft, liberal sort of Tory.
The manufacturers are Celotex, one of (if not the) main producers of thermal insulation boards so its main use would be insulation.PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know how effective as insulation the cladding stuff involved is? I keep hearing that, as a first-mention, it was used for cosmetic purposes and then "insulation" is always mentioned second. What I'm trying to get at is whether or not its effectivness as insulation is merely incidental to its cosmetic "value". (Insulation being of the greater benefit to residents whereas the cosmetic bit may well have been mainly for the benefit of non-residents.) Of course, I'm not trying to justify the use of crap materials if they are effective as insulation, so I hope at least somebody gets my drift . . .
It's not effective insulation, it's my understanding it's a relatively inexpensive way to aesthetically enhance the exterior.PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know how effective as insulation the cladding stuff involved is? I keep hearing that, as a first-mention, it was used for cosmetic purposes and then "insulation" is always mentioned second. What I'm trying to get at is whether or not its effectivness as insulation is merely incidental to its cosmetic "value". (Insulation being of the greater benefit to residents whereas the cosmetic bit may well have been mainly for the benefit of non-residents.) Of course, I'm not trying to justify the use of crap materials if they are effective as insulation, so I hope at least somebody gets my drift . . .
Tim "no deals" Farron steps down and the rumour mill gets into gear. They surely wouldn't, though, would they? The Tories current hard Brexit leanings leave them further away from the Libdems than everWill Patterson @WillJPatterson
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Mutterings abound that senior LibDems are to meet with Theresa May. It can't be what it looks like... Can it?!
Sorry CJA that just not right - see Celotex link above.citizenJA wrote:It's not effective insulation, it's my understanding it's a relatively inexpensive way to aesthetically enhance the exterior.PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know how effective as insulation the cladding stuff involved is? I keep hearing that, as a first-mention, it was used for cosmetic purposes and then "insulation" is always mentioned second. What I'm trying to get at is whether or not its effectivness as insulation is merely incidental to its cosmetic "value". (Insulation being of the greater benefit to residents whereas the cosmetic bit may well have been mainly for the benefit of non-residents.) Of course, I'm not trying to justify the use of crap materials if they are effective as insulation, so I hope at least somebody gets my drift . . .
And here is the key takeaway.
Theresa May will try to pass the Queen’s speech even if her deal with the DUP has not by then been finalised, a Tory source has revealed. May is assuming that the DUP will not vote against the Queen’s speech, even if it does not, as she hopes, vote in favour. That is almost certainly a sound assumption (because of what the DUP has said about not wanting the Sinn Fein-supporting Jeremy Corbyn to become prime minister.) But it does suggest that a Tory/DUP deal is less of a certainty than many people assumed, and the source would not rule out May trying to run a minority government without a formal deal with the DUP.
I will post more from the briefing soon. (Politics Live, Guardian)
How about re-writing the National Curriculum?One day, I trust, Gove will be back in place as education secretary, which is the post that the country needs him to fill. Meanwhile it is for the rest of us, parents and teachers especially, to bring back knowledge to the classroom. Some of us have got together to establish Parents and Teachers for Excellence, which is designed to discombobulate the Blob. Please join us.
Apologies, my understanding of what the material was primarily used for is likely wrong then. The building is one of many in the UK built in the 1970's. The buildings are (were) safe, individual flats protected from fires started in another flat, fire doors worked, people were safe enough if they kept inside until the fire was extinguished. The exteriors of these buildings weren't pretty.AngryAsWell wrote:The manufacturers are Celotex, one of (if not the) main producers of thermal insulation boards so its main use would be insulation.PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know how effective as insulation the cladding stuff involved is? I keep hearing that, as a first-mention, it was used for cosmetic purposes and then "insulation" is always mentioned second. What I'm trying to get at is whether or not its effectivness as insulation is merely incidental to its cosmetic "value". (Insulation being of the greater benefit to residents whereas the cosmetic bit may well have been mainly for the benefit of non-residents.) Of course, I'm not trying to justify the use of crap materials if they are effective as insulation, so I hope at least somebody gets my drift . . .
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I've made a mistake, apologies.AngryAsWell wrote:Sorry CJA that just not right - see Celotex link above.citizenJA wrote:It's not effective insulation, it's my understanding it's a relatively inexpensive way to aesthetically enhance the exterior.PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know how effective as insulation the cladding stuff involved is? I keep hearing that, as a first-mention, it was used for cosmetic purposes and then "insulation" is always mentioned second. What I'm trying to get at is whether or not its effectivness as insulation is merely incidental to its cosmetic "value". (Insulation being of the greater benefit to residents whereas the cosmetic bit may well have been mainly for the benefit of non-residents.) Of course, I'm not trying to justify the use of crap materials if they are effective as insulation, so I hope at least somebody gets my drift . . .
Agree, but the main use of Celotex products is insulation, the fact they "prettied them up" for aesthetic reasons is secondary. As this is not the first fire where this cladding has been used (and blamed for) I suspect Celotex are going to have some hard questions to answer.citizenJA wrote:Apologies, my understanding of what the material was primarily used for is likely wrong then. The building is one of many in the UK built in the 1970's. The buildings are (were) safe, individual flats protected from fires started in another flat, fire doors worked, people were safe enough if they kept inside until the fire was extinguished. The exteriors of these buildings weren't pretty.AngryAsWell wrote:The manufacturers are Celotex, one of (if not the) main producers of thermal insulation boards so its main use would be insulation.PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know how effective as insulation the cladding stuff involved is? I keep hearing that, as a first-mention, it was used for cosmetic purposes and then "insulation" is always mentioned second. What I'm trying to get at is whether or not its effectivness as insulation is merely incidental to its cosmetic "value". (Insulation being of the greater benefit to residents whereas the cosmetic bit may well have been mainly for the benefit of non-residents.) Of course, I'm not trying to justify the use of crap materials if they are effective as insulation, so I hope at least somebody gets my drift . . .
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No kiddingTory election research found Boris Johnson was 'deeply divisive'
Focus groups suggested foreign secretary could have negative impact after role in Brexit, with Amber Rudd scoring better
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