Friday 16th June 2017

Post by **refitman** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 5:49 am

Morning all.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 6:36 am

What a shambles the Tories are. Imagine if the vote were next week?

I think it may be a while before we have another election? Why.

In 1974 we had two elections because by October Wilson thought, rightly, he'd get a majority by calling one. The Tories are now behind, and will be for a long time.

Who have they got? Hammond? I bet most Tory MPs would take Cameron back.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 7:18 am

Mawning

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-net ... ing-rights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How do we get over Grenfell Tower? We don't
Dawn Foster

Post by **adam** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 8:11 am

Daily Mail headline - Were green targets to blame?

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 8:12 am

HindleA wrote:Mawning

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-net ... ing-rights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How do we get over Grenfell Tower? We don't
Dawn Foster

Morning.

Further to the above:

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This while Sun hacks impersonate victims' relatives, the Mail runs a dog-whistle story about an Ethiopian's fridge, and the Sun goes with the contemptible spin "Furious residents confront Mayor... May promises disaster probe" on its front page.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 8:34 am

And the Express is at it as well, of course:

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 8:36 am

The right wing media really are something aren't they?

The Express pretty much mays the blame at Brussels' door. The Sun is deflecting onto Khan.

And the Mail all the above plus publicising the identity of the man who "started" the fire.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 8:37 am

@NOC

Snap!

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 8:56 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@NOC

Snap!

They are an obscenity and a massive shit stain on national life. The fact that the BBC largely allows them to set its own news agenda is almost as bad.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 8:59 am

Another great thread from the man who brought you the analysis of Northern Ireland last week.

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 9:02 am

NonOxCol wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@NOC

Snap!
They are an obscenity and a massive shit stain on national life. The fact that the BBC largely allows them to set its own news agenda is almost as bad.

Well NOC not much talked about during the recent election, but Leveson!

It's within reach....

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 9:10 am

Smug right-wing arsehole follows up shit take with appalling snobbery on Radio 4:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... wer-blocks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://twitter.com/search?q=simon%20jenkins&src=typd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 9:13 am

http://thirdforcenews.org.uk/tfn-news/r ... ign#header" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DWP fit-for-work tests cost more than they save

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 9:15 am

"It's not about the money but making lives worse with a bit of torture put in"a DWPbot stated.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 9:24 am

I have to say, this occurred to me yesterday, and I'm 28 years younger than he is.

I agree with John.

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StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 9:27 am

NonOxCol wrote:Smug right-wing arsehole follows up shit take with appalling snobbery on Radio 4:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... wer-blocks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://twitter.com/search?q=simon%20jenkins&src=typd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can't read him anymore. Makes me too angry.

Morning all. I was discussing this event with my better half. We were talking about the same thing as eloquently expressed in the twitter feed listed earlier. This isn't like 7/7, people are thinking about this differently.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 10:08 am

Mr Steel - today he's too good to quote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dup ... 92271.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(IMO)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 10:09 am

Except that I couldn't resist this:

So the Queen’s Speech might include a bill to remove the dinosaur skeletons from the Natural History Museum, as they didn’t exist anyway, and be replaced by a fascinating display of flutes.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 10:10 am

And for NOC:

The Queen’s Speech has been delayed two days while the agreement is reached, but this seems reasonable, as I’m sure the Tories and their newspapers would be just as understanding if the Labour Party ever delayed a Queen’s Speech, so it could organise an agreement with Sinn Fein.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 10:33 am

Morning all.

Donaeld The Unready‏ @donaeldunready 7m7 minutes ago
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Sad haters going around saying I'm bad in Bede. HE'S A FAKE CHRONICLER! Total liar. Hasn't like me since I pushed him in the Tyne as a joke.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 10:44 am

NonOxCol wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@NOC

Snap!
They are an obscenity and a massive shit stain on national life. The fact that the BBC largely allows them to set its own news agenda is almost as bad.

The difference between the BBC and other news channels has become even more evident since the GE than it was before.

Cameron basically transformed them into the state (rather than national) broadcaster.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 10:56 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@NOC

Snap!
They are an obscenity and a massive shit stain on national life. The fact that the BBC largely allows them to set its own news agenda is almost as bad.
The difference between the BBC and other news channels has become even more evident since the GE than it was before.

Cameron basically transformed them into the state (rather than national) broadcaster.

Boulton and Rigby are the pick of the bunch imho.

Eddie Mair on the start of PM last night was some of the best radio I've ever heard. Yes, really.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 11:08 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@NOC

Snap!
They are an obscenity and a massive shit stain on national life. The fact that the BBC largely allows them to set its own news agenda is almost as bad.
The difference between the BBC and other news channels has become even more evident since the GE than it was before.

Cameron basically transformed them into the state (rather than national) broadcaster.

I still listen (not Radio 4 though).

I cannot watch their news any more.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 11:33 am

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/just-5000-fir ... 30350.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
seems like active decision not to go for fireproof option (cost)
how is it even legal to have non-fireproof version?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 11:37 am

https://leftfootforward.org/2017/06/the ... divisions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The general election did nothing to heal Brexit divisions

The country is still deeply divided on the terms of Brexit

You don't say.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 11:57 am

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First respondent:
"Government doing their best to turn a disaster into a riot."

The images of Barwell on Sky News being yet another clusterfuck, to follow May and the residents yesterday.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:02 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 92971.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A survey has revealed that 89 per cent of UK citizens would like to have a second citizenship and many of them are prepared to spend a considerable amount for the privilege.

Alongside yesterday's "70 % of Brits think Brexit should be enacted"
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/ma ... empted-so/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The United Kingdom of the Cognitively Dissonant

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:03 pm

15) Predictable Brexit
16) Wife Swap Brexit (special)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:06 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 92876.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As many as 10,000 Muslims are set to protest in a rally against extremism in Cologne on Saturday.

The protest comes in the wake of recent terror attacks in the UK and around the world.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 92971.html
A survey has revealed that 89 per cent of UK citizens would like to have a second citizenship and many of them are prepared to spend a considerable amount for the privilege.

Alongside yesterday's "70 % of Brits think Brexit should be enacted"
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/ma ... empted-so/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The United Kingdom of the Cognitively Dissonant

Akin to the disproportionate number of white men in their 50s that have a mail bride whilst moaning about foreigners.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:26 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:37 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 92971.html
A survey has revealed that 89 per cent of UK citizens would like to have a second citizenship and many of them are prepared to spend a considerable amount for the privilege.

Alongside yesterday's "70 % of Brits think Brexit should be enacted"
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/ma ... empted-so/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The United Kingdom of the Cognitively Dissonant

Twas always thus, really. No coincidence that "having your cake and eating it" is one of our favourite idioms.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:48 pm

Gavin Barwell is proving to be a runaway success.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:49 pm

Good morfternoon.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:56 pm

They can't cope with the bit of humanity thing at all can they.Suspect dysfunctional robots.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 12:56 pm

PorFavor wrote:Gavin Barwell is proving to be a runaway success.

I thought he might.

Post by **adam** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 1:08 pm

Philip Hammond to prioritise economic prosperity in Brexit talks

The government - well, such as it is - have decided that things have reached the point where is it necessary to explain that they are at least trying to do what they think is right. "We did think about accepting the fact that in prioritising leaving the EU we were of necessity prioritising 'we just don't like them' patriotism, feet and inches and being allowed to ignore all of that health and safety nonsense but we have decided that we should tell people that we would like the outcome of this to be a good idea too."

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 1:52 pm

It does seem that Stephen Moss has rather s*** the bed this morning.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 1:52 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/w ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The waiting time for a vital disability benefit has risen hugely in 6 months

(As previously mentioned by some obsessive or other)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 2:05 pm

https://www.ft.com/content/80c884d4-51a ... 19572361bb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Grenfell Tower blaze shows we tinker with rules at our peril

A long and successful political campaign has denigrated the regulation in place

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 2:13 pm

#Krishnan Guru-Murthy

At 1030am the Govt has already refused to put a minister up on #C4News tonight #GrenfellTower

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 2:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:It does seem that Stephen Moss has rather s*** the bed this morning.

How so? Can you link to what you're referring to please AK?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 2:34 pm

See his Twitter account, assuming he hasn't deleted the relevant stuff yet.

To summarise, "Corbyn saying we should take back empty homes of rich people is POL POT" - and, utterly bizarrely, invoking E P Thompson in his defence.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 2:54 pm

http://www.dispossessionfilm.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 2:59 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 3:01 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:It does seem that Stephen Moss has rather s*** the bed this morning.

The comment was ill-judged. A rare misstep from the kinder cuddly new version.

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 3:03 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... od-schools" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Open consultation
Short inspections of good schools

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 3:03 pm

That is one view of what he said (and indeed regarding what his actual proposal was) There are others.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 3:13 pm

http://www.legalvoice.org.uk/legal-lacu ... ng-action/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Legal lacuna prevented Grenfell Tower residents taking action

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 3:33 pm

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... increasing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Civil service numbers are slowly increasing