Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th June 2017

Post by **refitman** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 6:10 am

Morning all.

Sounds like May had a bit of a car crash on Newsnight.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... l-disaster" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 6:23 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08vf7dm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 6:28 am

https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/elections-an ... er-inquest" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 6:36 am

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History ... ed_Kingdom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 6:38 am

There was no connection between question asked and answers/responses.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 6:56 am

Freedland is good.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... inequality" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 7:56 am

refitman wrote:Freedland is good.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... inequality" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you that is good.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 8:36 am

refitman wrote:Freedland is good.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... inequality" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From it -

But most obviously, Grenfell Tower is a story of inequality, of the poor herded into a cramped building made unsafe because it was prettified to improve the view of the nearby rich.

Goes back to what I was trying to get at yesterday.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 8:36 am

Good morfternoon.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 8:40 am

Good morning.

Harriet Sergeant‏ @HarrietSergeant 6m6 minutes ago
More
Harriet Sergeant Retweeted Al Rush
I am shamed by May's lack of decency and courage. Why was she and her cabinet not out there at the start, talking to people?

Oh dear...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 8:50 am

PorFavor wrote:
refitman wrote:Freedland is good.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... inequality" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
From it -
But most obviously, Grenfell Tower is a story of inequality, of the poor herded into a cramped building made unsafe because it was prettified to improve the view of the nearby rich.
Goes back to what I was trying to get at yesterday.

I read Freedland's article last night
Powerful and one of the best things I've read from him

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 8:50 am

Good-morning, everyone

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 9:15 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... n-grenfell" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.sayephotography.co.uk/dwelling#0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 9:17 am

I know that I mistyped Sajid Javid's name the other day (I called him Sajid David) but couldn't be bothered to correct it. Anyway - I dreamed about it last night and it woke me up. So, this is a belated sort of edit. For my own sake and not his. Yes, I know - pathetic . . .

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 9:24 am

PorFavor wrote:I know that I mistyped Sajid Javid's name the other day (I called him Sajid David) but couldn't be bothered to correct it. Anyway - I dreamed about it last night and it woke me up. So, this is a belated sort of edit. For my own sake and not his. Yes, I know - pathetic . . .

Here's an article just for you PF

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1442 ... _projects/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sajid_David_hints_at_use_of_UK_produced_steel_in_defence_projects

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 9:37 am

I'm still in a state of disbelief over the lack of involvement on the part of Kensington Council.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 9:47 am

PorFavor wrote:I'm still in a state of disbelief over the lack of involvement on the part of Kensington Council.

Yes, and the govt putting up 5m when K&C have 300m in reserves, what are those reserves for if not this?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 9:56 am

Morning all. Just iplayered Newsnight. May was soooo poor. Strong and stable my arse.

There's the small matter of Brexit talks Monday.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 9:58 am

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/newsroom/all-co ... wer-latest" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:07 am

StephenDolan wrote:Morning all. Just iplayered Newsnight. May was soooo poor. Strong and stable my arse.

There's the small matter of Brexit talks Monday.

The other EU leaders are going to be taking pity on her, the way things are going.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:10 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Morning all. Just iplayered Newsnight. May was soooo poor. Strong and stable my arse.

There's the small matter of Brexit talks Monday.
The other EU leaders are going to be taking pity on her, the way things are going.

Maybe on a human, personal level. But as for the rest, I'm not so sure.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:19 am

PorFavor wrote:I know that I mistyped Sajid Javid's name the other day (I called him Sajid David) but couldn't be bothered to correct it. Anyway - I dreamed about it last night and it woke me up. So, this is a belated sort of edit. For my own sake and not his. Yes, I know - pathetic . . .

Not pathetic at all
I'm often unaware of my more frequent blunders

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:19 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Morning all. Just iplayered Newsnight. May was soooo poor. Strong and stable my arse.

There's the small matter of Brexit talks Monday.
The other EU leaders are going to be taking pity on her, the way things are going.

I don't think that comes into it tbh, we'll get what we're given anyway, they've done the prep for both sides.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:24 am

This is nice.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/vid ... -1-8595990" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:26 am

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... arget.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Raising the inflation target

Mainlymacro

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:36 am

Local GP on the G Grenfell blog sums up May's problem.

Kazmi went down to help at the rescue and relief centres, but found them already “very well-staffed” with doctors and nurses who had volunteered.

'I sat down on the floor and played with some children. I didn’t use my stethoscope those hours I was at the centre, but I still feel I was a doctor. I think that sometimes empathy and witnessing someone’s grief are as important a part of our role as procedures or prescribing'.

My bold.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:52 am

Wail has such things as "parading compassion".

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:54 am

Twitter is a wonderful thing. RBKC emergency plan.
https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/committees/Docu ... Ff55vVA%3d" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Note the date, 2002. They've probably forgotten they have it.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 11:51 am

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... fell-tower" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why we must politicise the tragedy of Grenfell Tower

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 11:51 am

HindleA wrote:Wail has such things as "parading compassion".

Its front page is pretty damning of May, though (the website's still more so)

Same with the Sun.

Only the ever loyal Torygraph is trying to deflect with its timeworn "reds under the bed" schtick.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 12:08 pm

After Grenfell Tower unbridled anger won’t make our homes any safer
Deborah Orr
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eprty-rage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I hadn't expected to like the article as much as I did. Very wholesome and practical, I thought.

Some people have suggested the Grenfell Tower disaster “should not be politicised”. That’s a nonsensical statement.
The provision of social housing is political, as was the decision to remove its management from local authorities whenever possible.

But I do think there is merit in considering whether this highly emotional situation should be further emotionalised. Politics, after all, is about managing or increasing power. Emotions are about expressing how you feel. Politicians are falling over themselves to tell survivors they understand their anger. What they need to understand is their arguments. They need to understand exactly why they let people down as badly as it was possible to let them down.

The government, such as it is, needs to take full responsibility, because without full responsibility the need to blame roams savagely and the desire to avoid blame rears up. Money must be made available so that this appalling, corner-cutting mistake can be rectified within the shortest space of time.

The first priority is providing safety, security and support for the survivors who lost their homes, their family members and neighbours. The second is removing the fear of people around the country that their building might be next. The third, though, is replacing anger with resolve and a genuine commitment to create a Britain where a safe, decent home is a right, not a luxury.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 12:44 pm

citizenJA wrote:
After Grenfell Tower unbridled anger won’t make our homes any safer
Deborah Orr
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eprty-rage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I hadn't expected to like the article as much as I did. Very wholesome and practical, I thought.
Some people have suggested the Grenfell Tower disaster “should not be politicised”. That’s a nonsensical statement.
The provision of social housing is political, as was the decision to remove its management from local authorities whenever possible.

But I do think there is merit in considering whether this highly emotional situation should be further emotionalised. Politics, after all, is about managing or increasing power. Emotions are about expressing how you feel. Politicians are falling over themselves to tell survivors they understand their anger. What they need to understand is their arguments. They need to understand exactly why they let people down as badly as it was possible to let them down.

The government, such as it is, needs to take full responsibility, because without full responsibility the need to blame roams savagely and the desire to avoid blame rears up. Money must be made available so that this appalling, corner-cutting mistake can be rectified within the shortest space of time.

The first priority is providing safety, security and support for the survivors who lost their homes, their family members and neighbours. The second is removing the fear of people around the country that their building might be next. The third, though, is replacing anger with resolve and a genuine commitment to create a Britain where a safe, decent home is a right, not a luxury.

Something that has been in very short supply among the whole body political and the MSM in the UK for too many years has been the ability to listen.

Stop spinning, smearing, sloganising and just listen.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 1:16 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
HindleA wrote:Wail has such things as "parading compassion".
Its front page is pretty damning of May, though (the website's still more so)

Same with the Sun.

Only the ever loyal Torygraph is trying to deflect with its timeworn "reds under the bed" schtick.

With two stories lifted wholesale from Guido.

Which, er, tells its own story.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 2:02 pm

So...my Twitter feed today is full of a school having a conference on what they got wrong.

The message seem to be "It didn't work...so we changed it!"

Gosh, really, you don't say...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 2:21 pm

https://municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2 ... ell-tower/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 2:21 pm

Really so surprise to see this being shared around the usual bunch of right wing gobshites.

So that's a Labour MP who's been in office...a week.

And the council?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensingto ... gh_Council" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The council has been controlled by the Conservative Party since it was first elected in 1964.

Truthfulness is never one of their strong points...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 3:27 pm

I hope that at least some people are pointing out these things in the replies.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 3:28 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I hope that at least some people are pointing out these things in the replies.

Yes they are.

You might expect that people would at least read the replies and think "OK, I won't retweet as it's not true"...OK, probably not...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 3:34 pm

Early on some right wingers liked to claim Grenfell was actually in H&F council territory (Labour run since 2014) The boundary between the two is just yards away, tbf.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 3:58 pm

Have a good afternoon and evening, everyone.
Stay safe and know I love you.
cJA

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 4:07 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I hope that at least some people are pointing out these things in the replies.
Yes they are.

You might expect that people would at least read the replies and think "OK, I won't retweet as it's not true"...OK, probably not...

Since the press often avails itself of "Twitter" and "Facebook" posts as part of their coverage of stories, they should be active in rebutting falsehoods when they occur. They can't use the excuse of their standing apart from "Twitter".

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 4:11 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 7:39 pm

Hello, anybody there?

Its a nice day I know

Will just say at this point, as a confirmed Aspie, that I am not too comfortable with how some are rather casually throwing about the term "autistic" to explain our PM's failings.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 8:07 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Hello, anybody there?

Its a nice day I know

I think I've melted into the sofa.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 8:25 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/ ... foundation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 8:28 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/ ... foundation

But......but.......Clive Lewis tweeted something nasty about neoliberalism!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:32 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ll-victims" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ire-safety" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 10:40 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 11:03 pm

Sunday Times reporting that "five cabinet ministers urge Boris to topple May"

Fun times.

Post by **adam** » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 11:12 pm

Queen's speech to MPs dropped next year to allow for Brexit laws

In a highly unusual move, the parliamentary session is being doubled to two years. The leader of the Commons, Andrea Leadsom, said this would give MPs and peers the maximum time possible to scrutinise legislation taking the UK out of the European Union. It means the government will not put forward a new legislative programme next year.