Tuesday 20th June 2017

Post by **refitman** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 7:11 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 8:23 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40330789" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'Four separate government ministers were warned that fire regulations were not keeping people safe, in letters that have subsequently been seen by the BBC.'

Steven Williams (Lib Dem)
James Wharton
Eric Pickles
Gavin Barwell

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 8:24 am

Credit where it's due to the BBC on this.

It seems utterly damning. Resignations?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 8:26 am

PS Sorry if it we did this last night....

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 8:29 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:PS Sorry if it we did this last night....

Yes see HindleA did post it.

Probably worth a second airing this morning!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 8:45 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Credit where it's due to the BBC on this.

It seems utterly damning. Resignations?

Not sure any of them are MPs any more. But I think there are various sinecures floating about . . .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 8:45 am

Good morfternoon.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:17 am

Morning.

Good to see resumption of bird Tai chi sessions on the lawn after the unfortunate incident a couple of weeks ago involving an overexurberant collared dove.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:24 am

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Credit where it's due to the BBC on this.

It seems utterly damning. Resignations?
Not sure any of them are MPs any more. But I think there are various sinecures floating about . . .

True, but Barwell is May's Chief of Staff so he could definitely resign

Post by **adam** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:28 am

Most of the story is behind its paywall but this from the Telegraph seems to me to be typical of a lot of the response to the election from the fourth estate wing of the establishment...

Definitive General Election analysis: How youngsters, Remainers and graduates stole May's landslide

Jeremy Corbyn's surprisingly strong performance in the General Election was driven by a wave of newly-galvanised youngsters, graduates and Remainers, robbing Theresa May of her majority in the process.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:28 am

Good to see the DWP possibly showing some leeway in sanction/denial regime,perhaps reasonableness and sensitivity to circumstances should be the norm,a contentious radical thought I know.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:33 am

"stole"

Post by **adam** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:37 am

HindleA wrote:"stole"

Yeah. In letters in the local press - which are even more exciting and vibrant than the kind of thing that gets written in the Telegraph - we are told that the misguided baby snowflakes are now responsible for weakening Britain's hand in EU negotiations and will be the ones to blame if things don't work out as we want them.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:39 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... enerations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:41 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Credit where it's due to the BBC on this.

It seems utterly damning. Resignations?
Not sure any of them are MPs any more. But I think there are various sinecures floating about . . .
True, but Barwell is May's Chief of Staff so he could definitely resign

His appointment could be the most unfortunately ill-timed in political history...

Morning all.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:45 am

Hard-hitting stuff from Laura McInerney this morning.

You messed with schools, Theresa May, so you messed with half the electorate

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... orate-cuts

There are a hundred reasons why the election went the way it did, but austerity in schools was key. Cutting back in education isn’t only short-termist, it’s bad politics. There are more than 8 million school-aged children. They have about 12 million parents and roughly the same number of grandparents. Half a million people work as state school teachers. Another half a million work in allied services. Messing with education isn’t just messing with the youth, it’s messing with half the electorate.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:57 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:10 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:15 am

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:32 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... CMP=twt_gu

Don't know why this is in "Education" but it's a nice light read about John Curtice

[note from clumsy adam - apologies for editing your message instead of replying to it}

Post by **adam** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:37 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... CMP=twt_gu
Don't know why this is in "Education" but it's a nice light read about John Curtice

Because he's a professor? Somebody doing the online equivalent of subbing didn't really pay attention to what this was about...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:40 am

I am somewhat used to delving,the proposed abolition of Attendance Allowance was hidden under 100 % business rate retention,as an example.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 10:41 am

adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... CMP=twt_gu
Don't know why this is in "Education" but it's a nice light read about John Curtice
Because he's a professor? Somebody doing the online equivalent of subbing didn't really pay attention to what this was about...

Most likely to fill the yawning gap they have in their education coverage these days.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 11:06 am

Vince throws his hat in.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 11:16 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
adam wrote:
Because he's a professor? Somebody doing the online equivalent of subbing didn't really pay attention to what this was about...
Most likely to fill the yawning gap they have in their education coverage these days.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 11:21 am

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... rity-first" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hammond said in a speech at Mansion House in the City of London: “I have said before, and I remain clear today, that when the British people voted last June, they did not vote to become poorer or less secure.

“They did vote to leave the EU. And we will leave the EU. But it must be done in a way that works for Britain. In a way that prioritises British jobs, and underpins Britain’s prosperity. Anything less will be a failure to deliver on the instructions of the British people.”

It feels to me like this is what the snap election was all about. May wanted a big enough majority to deliver hard Brexit and sideline the Hammond wing of the party.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 11:22 am

HindleA wrote:Vince throws his hat in.

The question at the moment is whether he will actually be opposed. I think it would be better for the LibDems if he was, but I'm sure they will listen to me

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

HindleA wrote:"stole"

In an industrial conflict the union side will be said to 'claim', 'demand' or 'reject' while management are more likely to be presented as making a 'plea', 'offer' or 'proposal'.
Policies on wage restraint are justified by constant references to the alleged 'excessive' demands of the past.

In the period of four months...there were only 17 occasions when someone appeared on the TV news and argued that wage restraint and lower wages were not the way to resolve the economic crisis. In the same period there were 287 occasions when someone argued that this was exactly what was needed.

- Tony Benn
Arguments for Democracy
published 1981

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

Bastards.

- Ken Loach
Versus: The Life and Films of Ken Loach
2016

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:12 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... enerations

'divides generations'
jesus christ

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:16 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote: His appointment could be the most unfortunately ill-timed in political history...

Morning all.

(cJA emphasis & edit)

The defining characteristic of the Time of Tories, from 2010 on

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:18 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... rity-first
Hammond said in a speech at Mansion House in the City of London: “I have said before, and I remain clear today, that when the British people voted last June, they did not vote to become poorer or less secure.

“They did vote to leave the EU. And we will leave the EU. But it must be done in a way that works for Britain. In a way that prioritises British jobs, and underpins Britain’s prosperity. Anything less will be a failure to deliver on the instructions of the British people.”
It feels to me like this is what the snap election was all about. May wanted a big enough majority to deliver hard Brexit and sideline the Hammond wing of the party.

Morning.

And some prannies like d'Ancona kept arguing the opposite: that May would use her larger mandate to silence the hard Brexiteers, because she was a consensus Remainer, don't you know, and all those Dacre headlines were a complete coincidence.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:20 pm

I've heard about Murdoch storming out when the exit poll was announced, but Dacre?? Would have liked to be a fly on his office wall just after that

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:22 pm

adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... CMP=twt_gu
Don't know why this is in "Education" but it's a nice light read about John Curtice
Because he's a professor? Somebody doing the online equivalent of subbing didn't really pay attention to what this was about...

I think the Guardian strategically places some pieces open for comments off the beaten path.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:22 pm

HindleA wrote:I am somewhat used to delving,the proposed abolition of Attendance Allowance was hidden under 100 % business rate retention,as an example.

Exactly.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:26 pm

Fazarkely

(sorry some sort of automated attempt at rhyming response)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:26 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I've heard about Murdoch storming out when the exit poll was announced, but Dacre?? Would have liked to be a fly on his office wall just after that

Nah, you wouldn't. He's the spider in the web on the wall.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:29 pm

transmission isn't clear on that last, HindleA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:30 pm

Think thick scouse accent.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:34 pm

got it

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:42 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_tw

...England no longer has an inspection regime that assesses the performance of landlords delivering services to the 4 million households living in housing association or local authority housing. Between 2000 and 2010 the Audit Commission carried out 1,400 housing inspections of housing associations and local authorities, but when the commission was abolished by the coalition government these inspections stopped.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:51 pm

citizenJA wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... enerations
'divides generations'
jesus christ

Purveyors of unreality living on a different planet from rest of us.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:52 pm

citizenJA wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_tw
...England no longer has an inspection regime that assesses the performance of landlords delivering services to the 4 million households living in housing association or local authority housing. Between 2000 and 2010 the Audit Commission carried out 1,400 housing inspections of housing associations and local authorities, but when the commission was abolished by the coalition government these inspections stopped.

Bonfire of the QUANGOs?

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:57 pm

country awash with robbing bar stewards and others on low pay

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 1:00 pm

Got to hate on new generations because they don't fancy the dire future we have planned for them.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 1:12 pm

My interests are best served cooperating, communicating, helping and receiving help from others like me up and down the generations
Regular people, others say or write, working class, whatever the term used, that's me and most everyone else on the entire planet

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 1:13 pm

Dear god.. if there was one, how have we arrived here?
Son of Finsbury Park van hire company owner says: ‘It’s a shame we don’t hire out tanks’

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/20/son-of-fi ... s-6720775/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 1:13 pm

I like others succeeding
That success feeds into others succeeding, making a community of productive, happy people

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 1:17 pm

seeingclearly wrote:country awash with robbing bar stewards and others on low pay

yes
your writing is as clear as a bell