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HindleA wrote:8 Brexit related Bills

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

HindleA wrote:8 Brexit related Bills

Yep looks like Keir Starmer has a busy year ahead!

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SpinningHugo wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

HindleA wrote:8 Brexit related Bills

Yep looks like Keir Starmer has a busy year ahead!

It'll be like the art 50 debacle I assume. When push comes to shove, they'll vote with the government for fear of being labelled Remained.

The letter in the graun today from the 50 Labour MPs saying we should be members of, and not just meaningless access to, the single market is similarly hypocritical.

Some of those clowns (though not all) voted for invoking article 50 without conditions. (Eg the appalling Umunna). All of them fight on a manifesto committing Labour to leaving the single market.laughable fools.

HindleA wrote:Universal credit rollout in North Kensington halted after tower fire

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A DWP spokesperson said: “The priority is to make sure people affected by the Grenfell Tower fire get the help they need. That’s why we will defer the rollout of the full universal credit service to North Kensington that was due to take place next month

gilsey wrote:

HindleA wrote:Universal credit rollout in North Kensington halted after tower fire

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A DWP spokesperson said: “The priority is to make sure people affected by the Grenfell Tower fire get the help they need. That’s why we will defer the rollout of the full universal credit service to North Kensington that was due to take place next month

What an admission of failure that is.

UK politics 2017-19 will be dominated by two trends: the chaos of Brexit paralysing government, & the chaos of government paralysing Brexit.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
This will be quite a lot of things and I look forward to some forensic work from Starmer.

This is not to say there are no pitfalls for Labour. Freedom of movement will cause some trouble. But listening to Hammond too, it looks MUCH less likely than a few months back that we will leave the Single Market.

Universal provision far more than a vote-grabber, it is the only viable and sustainable way to organize a just society

SpinningHugo wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
This will be quite a lot of things and I look forward to some forensic work from Starmer.

This is not to say there are no pitfalls for Labour. Freedom of movement will cause some trouble. But listening to Hammond too, it looks MUCH less likely than a few months back that we will leave the Single Market.

Politically? Yes Labour did very well.

In terms of ensuring we all are not made very much worse off, in particular the poorest?

No, Labour's Brexit position is utterly disgraceful in that regard.

Starmer will just roll over, just like last time. Because Labour's policy is the same as the Tory's.

"The Queen’s speech will include plans for “a publicly-funded advocate to act on behalf of families involved in a Hillsborough-style tragedy”

StephenDolan wrote: The Tories increase in the CDE vote, is this Brexit led or are they heading towards a parallel with the GOP?

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
This will be quite a lot of things and I look forward to some forensic work from Starmer.

This is not to say there are no pitfalls for Labour. Freedom of movement will cause some trouble. But listening to Hammond too, it looks MUCH less likely than a few months back that we will leave the Single Market.

Politically? Yes Labour did very well.

In terms of ensuring we all are not made very much worse off, in particular the poorest?

No, Labour's Brexit position is utterly disgraceful in that regard.

Starmer will just roll over, just like last time. Because Labour's policy is the same as the Tory's.

Which Tory? There are still a few left

Actually Hammond and Corbyn sound quite close on Brexit don't they?

SpinningHugo wrote:
Corbyn personally wants us out of the EU. Hammond doesn't. For Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne, Murray, Fisher, ad Lansman, the EU is a capitalist ramp preventing the UK from doing all the wonderful state aid things it would like to do.

Maybe on this one issue Corbyn has changed his mind from his voting record over 35 years. His actions before, during and since the referendum don't support that.

adam wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:
Corbyn personally wants us out of the EU. Hammond doesn't. For Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne, Murray, Fisher, ad Lansman, the EU is a capitalist ramp preventing the UK from doing all the wonderful state aid things it would like to do.

Maybe on this one issue Corbyn has changed his mind from his voting record over 35 years. His actions before, during and since the referendum don't support that.

During the referendum he and McDonnell toured labour constituencies and labour audiences and repeatedly hammered out the message that we needed to vote remain, that the EU was imperfect but leaving would be much much worse. I saw McDonnell, my other half saw McDonnell and Corbyn. Labour voters voted remain at roughly the same percentage as green, lib dem and SNP voters. 'Corbyn lost the referendum' (which you don't say here but it's a path you're going down) is nonsense.

adam wrote:I don't think this is terribly likely, but I wonder whether in delaying any formal agreement with the DUP the government are pleased to avoid having to list more nakedly partisan legislation in the Queen's Speech.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Oh and school dinners

AngryAsWell wrote:...and no Trump visit

NonOxCol wrote:Hello. Firefighters' initial reaction to Grenfell.

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There is someone on the thread who blames the man with the fridge.

Job done once again by the RW press.

Amid the seeming surprise of the Serious Fraud Office opting to prosecute Barclays Bank personnel (at last) there is one particular aspect that we should try to draw attention to.

The BBC says that Barclays may have ‘given’ the money to Qatar to buy its own shares. If Barclays had the money in the first place there would presumably be no reason to give it to anyone – they already had it!

But Barclays didn’t ‘give’ it, they created it.

What should become crystal clear in the prosecution is that Barclays could create the money only by making a loan.

Barclays didn’t have the money but they could create it as a loan for a willing party – out of thin air.

Indeed Professor Richard Werner has always maintained that this is exactly what happened.

The serious Fraud Office obviously thinks along the same lines. Let us hope the fact that it is a criminal trial does not prevent the public from learning that this system of money creation is going on all the time and creates 97% of money in the economy.

Like Black Rod, another ancient fixture of our constitution is the Labour MP Dennis Skinner, a republican, who by tradition always makes a joke at this point. This time it’s rather a good one – a reference to the fact the Queen is heading for Royal Ascot later.

Get your skates on. First race is at half past two.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:...and no Trump visit

Has there been an actual announcement on that?