Thursday 22nd June 2017

Post by **refitman** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:10 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:21 am

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Changed again yesterday.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:28 am

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tories aim to block full EU ban on bee-harming pesticides

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:30 am

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/bidd ... government" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

News story
Bidders for 2 rail franchises named by government

Announcing companies in the running for the new West Coast Partnership and South Eastern rail franchise.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:32 am

More on TEF results mentioned by that Paul bloke.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... l-new-test" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.hefce.ac.uk/news/newsarchive ... 56,en.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:35 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ee-to-roam" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No classrooms, lessons or homework: New Zealand school where children are free to roam

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:38 am

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... itics-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Australian politics
Pauline Hanson refuses to apologise for comments on autistic children – politics live

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:43 am

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... or-apology" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Christian Porter defiant on Centrelink's 'robodebt' flaws: 'This is not a matter for apology

The social services minister, Christian Porter, has refused to apologise for Centrelink’s automated debt recovery system, after a Senate inquiry found it had caused trauma, stress and shame to Australia’s most vulnerable.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ntil-fixed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Senate inquiry calls for Centrelink robo-debt system to be suspended until fixed
Senate inquiry report recommends all debts calculated under flawed model be re-assessed and system be redesigned

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:54 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... inet-roles" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump says he doesn't want a 'poor person' in cabinet roles

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 7:56 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ft-release" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Senate Republicans to release draft of healthcare bill as details emerge
Draft language will come after weeks of secrecy surrounding bill to repeal Affordable Care Act, which could see Senate vote as early as next week

, the Senate proposal would repeal key provisions of the ACA, restructure healthcare subsidies, and cut funding for Medicaid, the health-care program for low-income Americans.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 8:20 am

Excellent news - the council's response after the fire was absolutely woeful. The council should step down as well and force new elections for the whole Borough.

London fire: Kensington council chief quits over Grenfell tragedy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40362317

The chief executive of Kensington and Chelsea council has resigned amid criticism over the borough's response to the Grenfell Tower fire.

Nicholas Holgate said Local Government Secretary Sajid Javid asked for him to go - this is denied by the government.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 8:34 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Excellent news - the council's response after the fire was absolutely woeful. The council should step down as well and force new elections for the whole Borough.

London fire: Kensington council chief quits over Grenfell tragedy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40362317

The chief executive of Kensington and Chelsea council has resigned amid criticism over the borough's response to the Grenfell Tower fire.

Nicholas Holgate said Local Government Secretary Sajid Javid asked for him to go - this is denied by the government.

Morning all and thanks for the TEF link A

This last line Roger.

The Tories are sodding unbelievable aren't they? They can't even manage a resignation like this without unpleasantness.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 8:41 am

Yes, he should have the guts to come out and say "yes, I told him he should go because the council failed in their duties" - I doubt he'd have denied it if it had been a Labour council.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 9:14 am

this is the text of the DM leader claiming that the guardian are the fascist left. No really...but they're also claiming that the printed DM and Mail Online are two entirely separate things.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish ... 9988896721" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well...at the foot of the website...

Published by Associated Newspapers Ltd
Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group
© Associated Newspapers Ltd

So that's just an outright lie.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 9:29 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ck-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oops

Post by **adam** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 9:30 am

From the graun's discussion thread on this week's Doctor Who...

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 9:53 am

Inspections have found more flats with combustible cladding of the kind used on Grenfell Tower, May says

May says 151 homes were destroyed. Most of those were in the tower, but some were in the immediate vicinity.

She says people will be rehoused in equivalent homes. Some 68 flats have already been offered at cost price in a new block of flats, she says.

She says no survivors will be forced to move somewhere they don’t want to go. She says if any MPs hears of this happening, they should get in touch with the government.

May says that “for any guilty parties, there will be nowhere to hide.”

There will be an inquiry. She says she expects it to publish an interim report as soon as possible.

She says, although she does not want to say now what definitely caused the fire, checks are being carried out on flats to see if they also have combustible cladding of the type used in Grenfell Tower.

She says this morning she received reports saying some flats do have this cladding.

Inspections have found more flats with combustible cladding of the kind used on Grenfell Tower, May says. She says those buildings will be made safe.
She says 100 tower blocks a day are being inspected.

More information will be released later about where these flats are, she says.

She says these buildings will be made safe. No one will be forced to live in homes that are not safe.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 9:55 am

The government set up a Gold Command structure to provide relief, because the council could not cope, she[Theresa May] says. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Any local authority would, on its own, be unable to cope with something of this magnitude. But Kensington Council didn't even try.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:15 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:this is the text of the DM leader claiming that the guardian are the fascist left. No really...but they're also claiming that the printed DM and Mail Online are two entirely separate things.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish ... 9988896721" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well...at the foot of the website...

Published by Associated Newspapers Ltd
Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group
© Associated Newspapers Ltd

So that's just an outright lie.

Dacre has completely lost his shit.

See also James O'Brien on Twitter: Mail can't rage at riots because there weren't any, so they've gone all in on spelling mistakes on placards.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:41 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:this is the text of the DM leader claiming that the guardian are the fascist left. No really...but they're also claiming that the printed DM and Mail Online are two entirely separate things.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish ... 9988896721" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well...at the foot of the website...

Published by Associated Newspapers Ltd
Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group
© Associated Newspapers Ltd

So that's just an outright lie.

'Hang on a second'

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:42 am

Good-morning, everyone

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:43 am

'Kevin Hollinrake, a Conservative, asks if the government will provide encouragement to retrofit sprinklers when they are carrying out refurbishments.

May acknowledges that the Lakanal House inquest did say this should be encouraged.

But she says this has to be done carefully. She suggests that in some cases retrofitting sprinklers will not be helpful.'

For example?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:45 am

Talk is cheap
Tory liars, the lot of them

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:48 am

HindleA wrote:
May says 151 homes were destroyed. Most of those were in the tower, but some were in the immediate vicinity.

Ah that's where the "But there are more people asking to be rehoused/being granted money than there were number of flats!" frothing came from.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:50 am

Brexit gives rise to new political identities – new report, one year on from EU referendum, finds
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-gives-rise- ... =hootsuite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The report is 62 pages, for masochists. From the summary, my bold.

Implications for the UK’s regions and nations

One year on from Brexit, the report shows that there is little to indicate the UK Government has engaged seriously with the devolved administrations. This will be particularly striking when EU powers – or ‘competences’- start to come back to the UK. The UK Government has indicated that it intends to reaffirm Westminster’s supremacy but after nearly 20 years of devolution, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland argue that powers that return from Brussels over devolved matters like agriculture must go to them, along with appropriate means to finance them. A constitutional clash over such powers may provoke further moves towards Scottish independence.

Highly sensitive issues have been thrown-up in Northern Ireland following the referendum. The report’s authors note if it is not handled well there is potential for “significant disquiet”, both from staunch nationalists opposed to any physical manifestation of a north-south border, as well as hard-line unionists whose identity demands free movement with the rest of the UK.

The report finds that UK regions that voted Leave tend to be those most dependent on EU markets for their prosperity and are most likely to be exposed to Brexit. Compounding this problem, unlike recently constituted city-regions, these areas effectively have no representation. The final UK-EU agreement is likely to have very different impacts on the UK, potentially undermining efforts towards economic rebalancing.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:54 am

Grenfell isn’t just about people being left to die. It’s about how we expect them to live
Housing inequality doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it’s a result of the wilful abandonment of government duty labelled ‘austerity’

- Frances Ryan

(cJA emphasis)

It's within UK government's power and means to make sure everyone lives in a safe, decent home. UK government choose not to make it so.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:59 am

SD only thing I have seen surround feasibilty/structural issues possibility.I know fuck all,clarification.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 11:17 am

http://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/news/art ... rents-with" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

High Court Rules that applying the reduced benefit cap to lone parents with children under two is unlawful

Will go to appeal,given 86% of those capped,even with the Government being forced to exempt receivers of CA but not Income Support on the basis of caring ,stupidly enough,are not expected to work(although may be in work),the same principles apply for many.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 11:38 am

Some top twitter trolling from Abi Wilks today!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 11:46 am

#Declan Gaffney

High court judgment on benefit cap seems to assume causing poverty is a negative. Look forward to DWP appeal arguing that was the point.
I mean this seriously: point of cap was to cut through usual constraints on what benefit policy does in individual cases. Poverty shmoverty.
Breaking link between entitlement & need, which was intention, inevitably causes poverty. Feature not bug.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 11:47 am

600 buildings similar cladding estimate.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 11:49 am

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... mmigration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'The UK does not need to leave the single market to restrict European migration - it already can.'

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 11:51 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... mmigration

'The UK does not need to leave the single market to restrict European migration - it already can.'

This has been known for some time, by those that actually want to know.

Post by **adam** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 11:57 am

No surprises at all here, but whilst the government hold on to power this in many ways is what parliament will be all about

Can the Tories cling on, or should we brace ourselves for another election?

The so-called great repeal bill, the only big commitment in the government’s programme, is likely to be extremely vague. It will repatriate all the laws and regulations that have been made in Europe in the past 40 years into UK law, but there will be little detail. That will depend on the detail that emerges in negotiation. The government would like the Commons to give it a blank cheque by allowing the detail to be settled in so-called secondary legislation which MPs have little chance to scrutinise. Labour would rightly see that as a dereliction of duty: it would open the prospect of the kind of bonfire of regulations that the Tory right dreams of.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 12:02 pm

Low wages are 'return to pre-industrial Britain', says Bank of England economist
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -economist" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 12:10 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/collectio ... ce#history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Statistics: school workforce

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1621198 ... crisis-the" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 12:13 pm

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1621201 ... -a-further" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour Press
Today’s High Court decision is a further demonstration of the failure of this government’s austerity agenda - Jeremy Corbyn and Debbie Abrahams

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 12:32 pm

https://gingerbread.org.uk/news/347/Jud ... d-toddlers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 12:37 pm

HindleA wrote:http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1621201 ... -a-further

Labour Press
Today’s High Court decision is a further demonstration of the failure of this government’s austerity agenda - Jeremy Corbyn and Debbie Abrahams

Debbie Abrahams rocks

Did you know that she was married to John, formerly of LCCC fame?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 12:39 pm

Housing and social security debate,after business statement.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 12:53 pm

I didn't ,I think Tubby may have mentioned,to be honest I still had to look up as I had never heard of him,cricket being one of many areas of little or no knowledge,

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 1:04 pm

Chutzpah Tories calling for change in attitude towards social housing tenants

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 1:09 pm

"Humane safety net"-do us a favour

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 1:13 pm

http://lartsocial.org/benefitcap" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

worth a repeat
"
The only truly honest proponents of the benefit cap are those who are too uninformed or too far out of the loop to be party to the backroom consensus: the only truly honest critics are those who refuse to say they support it in principle. Of course, this is politics, pitched at a somewhat more dispiriting level even than what we are used to but still the only process by which the worst effects of the coalition’s policies can be mitigated. So those who judge that an inoculation with a small dose of intellectual dishonesty is a price worth paying for the chance of preventing some of the most arbitrary impacts of the cap have a point. But there are costs attached to this strategy, in terms of the quality of political debate and more generally in the endorsement it gives to a big untruth about the social security system and those who are relying on it. On balance, I think the latter considerations should win out. A little dishonesty only helps if you’ve already decided to go along with the big lie."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 1:20 pm

David Conn

Hillsborough: CPS to announce on Wednesday June 28 if criminal charges to be brought against anybody in relation to the 96 deaths 28 yrs ago

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 1:39 pm

HindleA wrote:Chutzpah Tories calling for change in attitude towards social housing tenants

And people don't think Corbyn is now prime minister

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 1:48 pm

Difficult to argue against this given the evidence.

Academies have failed as ‘battering ram for high standards’, argues leading education academic

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/br ... es-leading

Lord Adonis was the architect of the Labour government’s academies programme. He described the policy as a “battering ram for high standards” in an interview with The Independent in 2011.

In her lecture, Professor Francis will look at the evolution of the academies programme from its launch in 2002 to the present day.

She will argue that the “explosion of academisation” when Michael Gove was education secretary resulted in “the prioritisation of quantity rather than quality”.

This meant academy sponsors “were not subject to rigorous checks of effectiveness” and their achievements were not properly monitored before they were handed further schools. Rapid growth of chains, occasionally “reaching into diverse geographical areas”, resulted in some performing poorly and having their academies removed and rebrokered.

All of this was so obviously going to happen. But numbers counted so that they could then argue that we've "reached tipping point" i.e. the rest of you might as well go too.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 2:22 pm

"The situation is that 600 buildings have cladding. It is not similar; it is all types of cladding. Of these 600, we want landlords to check if they have aluminium composite material (ACM) cladding. Of those 600, some of those would have ACM; we want to test them to "

similar is/isn't similar update

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 2:24 pm

All going so well...

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 2:29 pm

Wait. Isn't Northern Ireland where the DUP hail from? There's a connection there with another big political issue but I'm not sure I can see it right now...

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