Friday 30th June 2017

Post by **refitman** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 7:14 am

Morning all.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 7:38 am

Morning all.

Chuka, well done taking the headlines away from May. For the good of the country of course. Not the UK, Chukaland silly.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 7:41 am

Perhaps not the best choice of words.

'Its chief executive, Robert Bond, is understood to have told Gould in a letter that her “inflammatory statements are highly damaging to our reputation and our business and will be defended by us in the strongest terms possible”.'

Firm that refurbished Grenfell Tower threatens legal action against council

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... st-council" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 8:00 am

StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.

Chuka, well done taking the headlines away from May. For the good of the country of course. Not the UK, Chukaland silly.

Well said

I have no issue with wanting to stay in the single market. I have no real problem with people voting for staying in, even if against the whip

I think Corbyn, as a rebel himself, understands these points and his treatment of A50 rebels suggests that too....i am not convinced that he avoided sacking people just out of 'weakness'

What has made me angry about this stunt though is that it was never going to have any political benefit and suspicious me is pretty convinced it was done to make an internal point

That is unforgivable and if my assumptions are right the Umunna should be chucked out of the PLP for a while

We see today that the media are using this 'split' to focus on Labour internal politics rather than what has been achieved in forcing the Tories on the back foot

As to those who rebelled I think some where naive but driven by principle but there are a number of familiar names there that suggest it as being an opportunity for them to cause a bit of trouble

My ire though is mainly directed at the person who put down this amendment. Either naive, stupid or a troublemsker and I don't think he is stupidly naive myself

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 8:21 am

Morning

Missed this

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -donations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Organ donation
Scotland to introduce soft opt-out system for organ donation

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 8:30 am

Osborne to become a waitress in Frankie and Benny's.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 8:37 am

Missed this as well

https://www.ft.com/content/5bc8444a-597 ... 3e61754ec6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NHS staffing agency moves towards privatisation

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 8:41 am

https://nearlylegal.co.uk/2017/06/legal ... hancellor/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Legal Aid: Rights, wrongs and the Lord Chancellor

"legal aid is not available for ‘safety concerns’. It is only available where there is an immediate risk to health due to something being broken, or not working as it was designed to work."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 8:50 am

Happy 80 th Birthday to 999.

Didn't realise it only became national in '76.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 8:52 am

National Cream Tea Day.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 8:57 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 9:34 am

How can the Tories seriously say this (about the NI non-Assembly)?

Conservative MP Laurence Robertson told the BBC's The View programme that Mr Brokenshire would "weigh it up over the weekend" but added he did not believe there was any appetite for another snap assembly election.

I mean they really are such good judges about appetites for snap elections aren't they?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 9:35 am

What would happen if there was a Stormont election I wonder?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 9:39 am

I am sure he is "neutral"

Post by **adam** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 9:46 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:What would happen if there was a Stormont election I wonder?

The DUP beat the Shinners by less than 1200 votes last time, and won 28 seats to SF's 27. What would happen next if SF took control of the assembly? It would still be a cross-community organisation, it's bound to be by its constitution, but it might well be time for a cross-border poll about NI's future.

Post by **adam** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 9:57 am

StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.

Chuka, well done taking the headlines away from May. For the good of the country of course. Not the UK, Chukaland silly.

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:07 am

StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.

Chuka, well done taking the headlines away from May. For the good of the country of course. Not the UK, Chukaland silly.

And, let's not forget, Stella Creasy.

Being reported that even some Labour MPs who supported his amendment are furious at Chuka's vanity. I can well believe it.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:13 am

Thankfully, apart from the Mail the Umunna intervention doesn't seem to have got that much press.

And as you say AK it may have backfired for him. Let's hope so.

There's no point being right at the wrong time is there? Unless you are Hugo and specialise in being self righteous

[only joking Hugo]

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:21 am

Morning all.

I am, thanks to my other half, slightly shaky this morning...she's been coughing and wheezing a lot lately and found she was having trouble sleeping lying down. So when you get woken up at 3:20 with "Can you run me to the GP drop in centre at the hospital?" it's awfully tempting to reply "At this hour - are you mad?"...but I didn't.

Good service though - seen within 10 minutes and got a prescription straight away - back indoors within about an hour...and then went back to sleep. And she did too.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:26 am

adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:What would happen if there was a Stormont election I wonder?
The DUP beat the Shinners by less than 1200 votes last time, and won 28 seats to SF's 27. What would happen next if SF took control of the assembly? It would still be a cross-community organisation, it's bound to be by its constitution, but it might well be time for a cross-border poll about NI's future.

Hmm - yes I can see why the Tories are not sensing an appetite!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:28 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 15981.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Longest squeeze on household incomes since 1970s says Office for National Statistics

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:28 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

I am, thanks to my other half, slightly shaky this morning...she's been coughing and wheezing a lot lately and found she was having trouble sleeping lying down. So when you get woken up at 3:20 with "Can you run me to the GP drop in centre at the hospital?" it's awfully tempting to reply "At this hour - are you mad?"...but I didn't.

Good service though - seen within 10 minutes and got a prescription straight away - back indoors within about an hour...and then went back to sleep. And she did too.

God bless Jeremy Hunt.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:40 am

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 10:42 am

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/national ... ntomar2017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Balance of payments: Jan to Mar 2017

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:01 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/national ... ntomar2017

Balance of payments: Jan to Mar 2017

The UK’s current account deficit was £16.9 billion in Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2017, a widening of £4.8 billion from a deficit of £12.1 billion in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2016, due predominantly to a widening in the deficit on trade; the current account deficit in Quarter 1 2017 equated to 3.4% of gross domestic product (GDP) at current market prices, up from 2.4% in Quarter 4 2016.

We'll add this to the list of "things going awfully well" then shall we?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:14 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thankfully, apart from the Mail the Umunna intervention doesn't seem to have got that much press.

And as you say AK it may have backfired for him. Let's hope so.

There's no point being right at the wrong time is there? Unless you are Hugo and specialise in being self righteous [only joking Hugo]

And it shows that a strengthened Corbyn isn't now prepared to put up with any funny business, which is useful this early on in the parliament.

A chance to promote some deserving MPs to the front bench too.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:36 am

Good-morning, everyone

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:39 am

'The problem the Conservatives have is it wasn’t just Labour that got 40 per cent of the vote, it was Labour with policies and a leader that, everyone had agreed, made them completely unelectable. For two years there were columns every day that went “Labour would LITERALLY have more chance if they were led by the Devil, and he started his conference speech ‘I don’t just want their votes, I want their SOULS, MWAHAHAHA’ and sacrificed a virgin as a symbol of the plans to take the east coast railway line back into public ownership.” And that would be a joint statement from the shadow Cabinet'

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jer ... 15476.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:40 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thankfully, apart from the Mail the Umunna intervention doesn't seem to have got that much press.

And as you say AK it may have backfired for him. Let's hope so.

There's no point being right at the wrong time is there? Unless you are Hugo and specialise in being self righteous [only joking Hugo]
And it shows that a strengthened Corbyn isn't now prepared to put up with any funny business, which is useful this early on in the parliament.

A chance to promote some deserving MPs to the front bench too.

Only true believers now. Despite all the predictions on here that Abbott would go and the more talented MPs brought back.

I know that for the Campaign group these are exciting times, but the frontbenchers on both sides of Parliament are inept, with the most able MPs on both sides on the backbenches. That isn't healthy.

Richard Burgon!

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:43 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thankfully, apart from the Mail the Umunna intervention doesn't seem to have got that much press.

And as you say AK it may have backfired for him. Let's hope so.

There's no point being right at the wrong time is there? Unless you are Hugo and specialise in being self righteous [only joking Hugo]
Not sure Hugo's ever been right at the right or wrong time, has he?

Good article about the death of Labour centrism here https://jacobinmag.com/2017/06/jeremy-c ... ion-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, I think that is the new mindset. I feel glad to have left long ago.

I can't remember a time when politics was more polarasied, with the loony Hard Brexiteers in charge on both sides.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:44 am

Bollox.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:47 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Only true believers now. Despite all the predictions on here that Abbott would go and the more talented MPs brought back.

I know that for the Campaign group these are exciting times, but the frontbenchers on both sides of Parliament are inept, with the most able MPs on both sides on the backbenches. That isn't healthy.

Richard Burgon!
Most talented???!!

I will see your Burgon and raise you an Umunna, Streeting, Doughty, Eagle A, Bradshaw, Cooper...

Talented!

Indeed. I think we'll just have to disagree about this one. Burgon (alongside others) is as thick as mince.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:49 am

So are some right wing Labour MPs. Which was inevitable when conformity and obedience was valued over actual ability for so much of the Blair/Brown years.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:54 am

RobertSnozers wrote:The real zealots are those who insist that There Is No Other Way than neoliberal economics with a bit of racism thrown in

Sadly, that is a more accurate description of *some* Progress types these days.

(not all, to be fair, the likes of Creasy and McGovern have been admirably principled in rejecting the "very real concerns" stuff - at least *they* were consistent yesterday)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 11:56 am

There's been some comments - none from the NSN or its Glorious Leader T.Young of course - about the Collective Spirit free school closure.

From the DfE.

A Department for Education spokesperson said: “Following a request from the Collective Spirit Trust, we have agreed to the closure of Collective Spirit Free School.

“Underperformance at any school is unacceptable and one of the many strengths of the free schools programme is that we can identify and intervene quickly.

From the s.8 Ofsted report from last November.

Following the recommended external review of governance which took place after the last inspection, a number of committees have been established with responsibility for various aspects of the school’s provision. The first full meeting of the newly constituted local governing body took place on the first day of this inspection. An inordinate amount of time has been lost because of strategic decisions not being made at governance and/or trust level. Too many decisions and approvals are being requested at too many levels. This has significantly impeded the rate of progress and the pace at which leaders in school can work.

Not really a sign of panic is it?

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:05 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:I don't know why you have such a blind spot about Burgon. His achievements before becoming an MP suggest less similarity to mince than others I could mention. His legal credentials can be proved, for one thing.

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:05 pm

I am getting really peed off with people saying Labour doesn't have a clear position on Brexit. It really does!

Labour will not support a deal that fails to reflect core British values and the six tests I [Starmer] have set out today:

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?

2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?

3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?

4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?

5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?

6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?

Labour are firmly against the "no deal" alternative. So, it's clear. It's either Brexit that meets the above or Remain.

What is unclear about that?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:08 pm

Not leaping in,but as thick as mince,if genuinely held,is an over generous description of equating Healey with opposite number,as but one example.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:09 pm

I didn't think Creasy's campaign was so bad tbh, her result compares well with the unfortunate Liz K after all. I do think she lost her way a bit after that and the local shenanigans didn't really help. But she got a stunning result at the GE, and her achievement yesterday hopefully indicates she has a bit of her old mojo back.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:13 pm

Confused now,I thought it was the appropriated "they are all the same"line on Brexit,rather than confusion.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:21 pm

@Robert thanks for that.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:24 pm

@howsillyofme1

Labour's respectful and successful campaign during this last GE had Jeremy Corbyn leading it. I admire the honesty and discipline of the current Labour leader. His professional decency is a pattern for Labour peoples. Corbyn doesn't pitch unholy fits, doesn't call people names and he does what he says he'll do. I despaired when May called the GE. My worst fears weren't realised. My gratitude for all Labour peoples is immense.

There's too much I don't know about what it is being a Labour MP or Labour party leader. I'm wary of publicly chastising Labour people. I'm loath to do it because I don't think Labour gets a fair hearing in media. I wait until I find out more. This is my own way and it might be a weakness in me, not a strength. I'm not suggesting everyone be this way.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:29 pm

Thread from DAG about last night's chaotic meeting of Ken and Chelsea council.

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I especially liked this one.

David Allen Green‏ @davidallengreen 6m6 minutes ago
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As the proposed inquiry does not even yet have terms of reference, impossible to advise how that inquiry could be "prejudiced".

Utter tosh.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:40 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:So are some right wing Labour MPs. Which was inevitable when conformity and obedience was valued over actual ability for so much of the Blair/Brown years.

Labour must have people of ability and those with ability must also show some obedience, conformity and agreement in order to function effectively.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 12:45 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

I am, thanks to my other half, slightly shaky this morning...she's been coughing and wheezing a lot lately and found she was having trouble sleeping lying down. So when you get woken up at 3:20 with "Can you run me to the GP drop in centre at the hospital?" it's awfully tempting to reply "At this hour - are you mad?"...but I didn't.

Good service though - seen within 10 minutes and got a prescription straight away - back indoors within about an hour...and then went back to sleep. And she did too.

Please give my love to her. I hope her work allows her enough rest.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 1:11 pm

[quote="RobertSnozers"

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thankfully, apart from the Mail the Umunna intervention doesn't seem to have got that much press.

And as you say AK it may have backfired for him. Let's hope so.

There's no point being right at the wrong time is there? Unless you are Hugo and specialise in being self righteous [only joking Hugo]

Not sure Hugo's ever been right at the right or wrong time, has he?

Good article about the death of Labour centrism here https://jacobinmag.com/2017/06/jeremy-c ... ion-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]

Yes, I think that is the new mindset. I feel glad to have left long ago.

I can't remember a time when politics was more polarasied, with the loony Hard Brexiteers in charge on both sides.[/quote]

As opposed to loony Soft Brexiteers?

The notion that centrism is somehow ideology-free has been exposed, I'm afraid. The real zealots are those who insist that There Is No Other Way than neoliberal economics with a bit of redistribution thrown in, but not too much unless we frighten the confidence fairies away.

Personally I don't know what could be more pragmatist than the postwar consensus, which was a true fusion of socialism and capitalism but is now derided as barking mad Bennism. If 'polarisation' is some people not agreeing with the Thatcher-Reagan stitch-up then more of it, please.[/quote]

Of course it isn't ideology free. Who claimed such a ridiculous thing? All politics is normative.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 1:12 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Only true believers now. Despite all the predictions on here that Abbott would go and the more talented MPs brought back.

I know that for the Campaign group these are exciting times, but the frontbenchers on both sides of Parliament are inept, with the most able MPs on both sides on the backbenches. That isn't healthy.

Richard Burgon!
Most talented???!!

I will see your Burgon and raise you an Umunna, Streeting, Doughty, Eagle A, Bradshaw, Cooper...

Talented!

Indeed. I think we'll just have to disagree about this one. Burgon (alongside others) is as thick as mince.

I don't know why you have such a blind spot about Burgon. His achievements before becoming an MP suggest less similarity to mince than others I could mention. His legal credentials can be proved, for one thing.[/quote]

It is an area I know about.

He is really dim.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 1:21 pm

cJA

I find it difficult to completely put to the back of my mind what went on before the election - your values that you express are very good but I remember the tense times from then and Corbyn and his supporters were not in any way show the same respect that I am now supposed to give to those same people

I am convinced there is a still core of the PLP (less numerous than previously though) who are still committed to get rid of him and his policies - that has not changed even after the eelction. There are also some I am sure who buy in to the 'magic money tree' narrative of the Tories

We do though have to try to put those times behind us and until yesterday I thought things were going well. Then Umunna popped up with this amendment

If this was meant benignly then can you, or someone else, explain to me what he was trying to acheive - especially seeing he had been advocating leaving the Single Market last year? What outcome was he trying to acheive - win the vote? encourage a big Tory Remain rebellion? to make a point? provide ammunition for Labour's opponents?

Do you not see why some of us who have been trying to defend the leadership from constant attacks since 2015 will need to take some convincing that leopards have really changed their spots. I sense it is more of a case that they need to earn forgiveness for some of their actions rather than it just being given to them

I have focussed my ire on Umunna and not all those who voted for his motion - some, I am sure, did it because they could not vote against from consciensce - not a wise decision in my view but more understanding

As to the Remain point

I have seen a lot of noise attacking Labour for abandoning 'Remainers' and the 'young' - it is as those these two groups are homogeneously for remaining in the SM and that is all they care about. It is the same simplistic approach that Leavers are criticised for

Just as there are different reasons people voted Leave , there are a myriad of reasons why people voted Remain, and also why they voted Labour in 2017

The issue for those arguing is that they made all the same comments prior to the GE and they were wrong about what the consequence of Labour's approach is - but even now they still make the same criticism. There is a common quote about people who repeat the same mistake after knowing it was wrong......

Switzerland only has partial access to the SM and is not in the CU whereas Turkey is in the CU but only has very limited access to the SM. Norway has a high level of access to the SM but again is not in the CU. There are bespoke ways of countries outside the EU accessing the SM and CU. What the UK will look like is not at all clear yet and so before people start jumping up and down we should see what Labour's response is to the deals and offers that are being made

The idea that both of the main parties have the same approach to Brexit is lazy and based on some false assumptions

We do have to be aware though that following the vote to Leave any access we have to the EU will be on their terms and so we have to have serious and sensible negotiators to have something that minimises damage to the economy whilst also proves acceptable to the British electorate. The Tories will not, in my view, be able to deliver this

My view on what the EU want are summarised here

Non-members of EU will have less-favoured terms than those oinside it (this could just mean not being able to participate in the decision-making though and paying a lot of cash)
The EU does not want the UK to exit without a good deal because they want to minimise economic harm to themselves as well
The four freedoms are to be respected (but the UK doesn't really use all the tools already available to it to mitigate the effects atr the moment either)
The EU citizens have the same residence rights as they have now

In 2019, based on sensible current assumptions, the UK will leave the EU in March 2019. At that point the UK membership of the SM and CU will fall. At that point, hopefully, a transitional agreement could be out in place lasting 2-3 years based, probably, on the EEA structures. There will then be a final deal that will determin the level of access we will have to the CU and SM. This is where we get into semantics - Hugo bangs on about the word 'access' but this is in essence what we will have. We will have something on the continuum from unfettered access to no access based on the negotiation.

I think there is too much focus on this phrase 'membership of the single market' - it means nothing to me as it only seems to apply to those countries who are in the EU - everyone else has access on that continuum - either access under the EEA or through bilateral treaties. The level on access then has a cost that is applied by the EU, such as adhering completely to the Free Movement of People

I think there are those who were on the Remain side such as Starmer for Labour and Hammond for the Tories who understand that there is a negotation to be had and then the need to bring it back and explain it to the people with the benefits and costs. That can either be accepted in another referendum or via a parliamentary vote.

It seems that some on the Remain side seem to be as extreme as the Brexiteers - that the only option is to have complete access to the SM or have no access at all.......the actual sweet spot will be somewhere on that continnuum and will need negotiation

If Labour were in charge of these negotiations I would anticipate being close to the sweet spot, if Hammond had his way he may actually not be that far away either. Unfortunately at the moment it is some incompetents doing it and we need to get them away from that before it is too late

The main assumption is that we are going to Leave, I have not seen anything that says otherwise yet - it may come but it would be taking a big leap of faith to be assuming that we will not actually Leave based on current understanding

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 1:30 pm

It is an area I know about.

He is really dim

What area - being dim?

I don't think I have agreed with one of your posts so actively......could add 'lack of humility and self-awareness' whilst you are at it

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 30 Jun, 2017 1:43 pm

On free movement of people I will just let you know hopw it works in Switzerland

I can come into the country, as an EU citizen, for 3 months with no restriction

If I find a job my employer applies for a work permit (B) and I have to show I have the compulsory health insurance. That lasts for 5 years at with point I move on to a Settlement Permit that lasts for 5 years and which allows me more freedom to leave the country for a lengthy time. There is no restriction on moving jobs

If, after 3 months, I still do not have a job I can apply for a temperoray permit for one year (L) and have to show I have the means to support myself for that time, as well as have the compulsory insurance. The Swiss can say no and ask me to leave the country. I can still come back for 3 months at a time but that is not really practical in terms of housing etc and the authorities will keep a very close eye on things if you try and game the system

So you see that Free Movement doesn't mean freedom to come in and stay as long as you like......what the UK will end up with is down to the negotiation

The main problem the Swiss have isn't the residents from the EU but the 'frontaliers' - the people who live in France, Italy or Germany who cross the border to work but don't contribute much in taxes....that is the real point of contention - especially for Tessin on the border with Italy. The UK does not have this issue due to geography.....