Thursday 6th July 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:33 am

Morning

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... oos-school" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Should teachers be able to have tattoos?
Headteachers are debating whether it’s OK for staff to display their body art in school

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:37 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40515085" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 6:47 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ost-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lord chief justice urges enforceability of EU rulings in UK post-Brexit

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 7:05 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40510534" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 7:43 am

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... a-13287439" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:43 am

Morning. Should you want to disappear down a humorous (loosely) politically-related rabbit hole any time this morning, enter the words "unrelenting f**k machine" into Twitter.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 9:12 am

Morning all.

From the FT.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 9:16 am

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN19R0O7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The European Union's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier warned British ministers and businesses who are calling for "frictionless trade" with the EU after Britain leaves that that is "not possible".

Addressing an EU business forum in Brussels on Thursday, Barnier said London's "red lines" for a future trade relationship meant Britain was definitely leaving the single market and the customs union, while only membership of both permitted the current "frictionless" trading arrangements.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 10:01 am

NonOxCol wrote:Morning. Should you want to disappear down a humorous (loosely) politically-related rabbit hole any time this morning, enter the words "unrelenting f**k machine" into Twitter.

Cannot. Now. Unsee

Post by **adam** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 10:07 am

Willow904 wrote:http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN19R0O7
The European Union's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier warned British ministers and businesses who are calling for "frictionless trade" with the EU after Britain leaves that that is "not possible".

Addressing an EU business forum in Brussels on Thursday, Barnier said London's "red lines" for a future trade relationship meant Britain was definitely leaving the single market and the customs union, while only membership of both permitted the current "frictionless" trading arrangements.

Don't worry, we have a busy government department wholly dedicated to dealing with these issues.

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gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 10:21 am

Willow904 wrote:http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN19R0O7
The European Union's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier warned British ministers and businesses who are calling for "frictionless trade" with the EU after Britain leaves that that is "not possible".

Addressing an EU business forum in Brussels on Thursday, Barnier said London's "red lines" for a future trade relationship meant Britain was definitely leaving the single market and the customs union, while only membership of both permitted the current "frictionless" trading arrangements.

I had to read that twice to check that it was our 'red lines' that were the problem, not theirs.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 10:32 am

adam wrote:
Willow904 wrote:http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN19R0O7
The European Union's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier warned British ministers and businesses who are calling for "frictionless trade" with the EU after Britain leaves that that is "not possible".

Addressing an EU business forum in Brussels on Thursday, Barnier said London's "red lines" for a future trade relationship meant Britain was definitely leaving the single market and the customs union, while only membership of both permitted the current "frictionless" trading arrangements.
Don't worry, we have a busy government department wholly dedicated to dealing with these issues.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71346.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Conservative party is heavily reliant on large cash donations from hedge funds, bankers, and magnates to fund its campaigns, according to a new analysis of the party’s finances.

Since the 2015 general election 18.6 per cent of all donations to the party – totalling £8.4m – have come from hedge funds or people associated, while 6.5 per cent or £2.9m have come from investment bankers and the finance sector in general.

Who predominantly funded the "leave" campaign? Hedge funds. Who predominantly benefit from economic uncertainty and stock market volatility? Hedge funds. In whose interests is our country currently being run.....?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 10:51 am

https://jonworth.eu/brexit-bullshit-asy ... principle/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the amount of energy necessary to refute Brexit bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 11:36 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20711.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 11:41 am

Willow904 wrote:http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN19R0O7
The European Union's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier warned British ministers and businesses who are calling for "frictionless trade" with the EU after Britain leaves that that is "not possible".

Addressing an EU business forum in Brussels on Thursday, Barnier said London's "red lines" for a future trade relationship meant Britain was definitely leaving the single market and the customs union, while only membership of both permitted the current "frictionless" trading arrangements.

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Some wonderful examples of devastating understatement from Barnier here, tweet by tweet.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 12:50 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... es-aged-74" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **adam** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 12:53 pm

In the Commons earlier Steve Brine, the care minister, said: “No government has done more to improve the quality of social care.” He was responding to an urgent question from the shadow health minister Barbara Keeley. Keeley said the report highlighted the “damaging impacts” of cuts worth £5bn to care budgets since 2010.

They do like talking in superlatives. Fox earlier on inward investment which seems to involve some very interesting accountancy, and now how cutting £5bn is how no government has done more.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 1:13 pm

http://www.cityam.com/267954/business-l ... y-tomorrow" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Company chiefs and representatives from around 20 business groups are descending on the government’s plush country house Chevening in Kent to discuss the UK’s exit from the EU as part of ministers’ efforts to build bridges with the commercial sector.

“The amount that our members have been able to plan so far has been limited because no one has known where exactly we are going but businesses can only really hold off so long on making contingency plans.”

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 1:19 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... oris-bikes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Manchester Mobike review – better than London's 'Boris bikes'

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 1:21 pm

I see that AbiWilks has been bullied into another break from Twitter

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 1:38 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that AbiWilks has been bullied into another break from Twitter

Hopefully she'll be back soon. What was it in relation to AK?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 2:07 pm

So the council turned down offers of help with housing as it would have made them look bad?

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Not sure that worked TBH...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 2:15 pm

Hmm...

BREAKING: official figures show huge increase in apprenticeship starts in month before reforms kicked-in

http://feweek.co.uk/2017/07/06/breaking ... re-reforms

Apprenticeship start rocketed in the months before May when mandatory cash contributions from employers kicked in, the latest Department for Education figures show.

and

As reported in FE Week, the unofficial estimates put apprenticeships starts in May as very low.

So the figures released today strongly suggest providers and employers rushed to start before apprentices before the new rules and funding regime kicked in.

Shocked etc...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 3:24 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that AbiWilks has been bullied into another break from Twitter
Hopefully she'll be back soon. What was it in relation to AK?

Not quite sure tbh, may be related to last night's social media storm over Luciana Berger/Wavertree CLP.

Also, centrist melts have been nagging her about Brexit for a while now. It must get fairly exhausting tbf.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:00 pm

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All that fuss about the "internal eyes only" Stephen Doughty blog, eh? Storm in a teacup. "Nothing to see here".

Not fit for purpose.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:06 pm

NonOxCol wrote:

All that fuss about the "internal eyes only" Stephen Doughty blog, eh? Storm in a teacup. "Nothing to see here".

Not fit for purpose.

Pisstake of a follow-up as well:

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:55 pm

Oh, hadn't seen this.

Chris Mason‏Verified account @ChrisMasonBBC 2h2 hours ago
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BREAKING: Robbie Gibb has been appointed as Director of Communications in 10 Downing Street

Moving from that leftie BBC again...I notice that Craig Oliver is on QT tonight.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:58 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh, hadn't seen this.

Chris Mason‏Verified account @ChrisMasonBBC 2h2 hours ago
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BREAKING: Robbie Gibb has been appointed as Director of Communications in 10 Downing Street
Moving from that leftie BBC again...I notice that Craig Oliver is on QT tonight.

Stick up for Cameron and put the boot in to May?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:59 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh, hadn't seen this.

Chris Mason‏Verified account @ChrisMasonBBC 2h2 hours ago
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BREAKING: Robbie Gibb has been appointed as Director of Communications in 10 Downing Street
Moving from that leftie BBC again...I notice that Craig Oliver is on QT tonight.
Stick up for Cameron and put the boot in to May?

JFC, JFRM is on.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 5:36 pm

NonOxCol wrote:

All that fuss about the "internal eyes only" Stephen Doughty blog, eh? Storm in a teacup. "Nothing to see here".

Not fit for purpose.

Remind me what that was all about?

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 6:13 pm

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/pol ... st-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Presumably the ongoing needling about ties is just their way of accommodating
Hallam MP Jared O'Hara who can't wear them.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 6:18 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... gle-market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market

What took them so long?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 6:40 pm

tinybgoat wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... gle-market
UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market
What took them so long?

And...

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Labour back CBI position on Brexit transition

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 6:52 pm

Haven't read a lot of this but Ill stick it here as it looks interesting.

It’s education, stupid: How globalisation has made education the new political cleavage in Europe

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2017/ ... in-europe/

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 7:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that AbiWilks has been bullied into another break from Twitter
Hopefully she'll be back soon. What was it in relation to AK?
Not quite sure tbh, may be related to last night's social media storm over Luciana Berger/Wavertree CLP.

Also, centrist melts have been nagging her about Brexit for a while now. It must get fairly exhausting tbf.

Yeah, people saying Brexit is bad and Labour is hopeless about it will have done it.

A demographic renowned for its mysogny, racism, abuse etc.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 7:19 pm

Gosh you are claiming demographic immunity from such things,literally unbelievable.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 7:38 pm

As the tie thing reveals,it is quite often the pretend to be polite,respectful,are actually the worst culprits.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 7:51 pm

Disclosure.I once got a voucher for recommending a friend to a profit making lawncare firm,worse still I have a letter of praise from a Tory PM for the part I(we) played in the long term economic plan.I realise any claim "to despise the Tory Party with every fibre of my being" is obviously totally negated by this utter hypocrisy.There is even a mention of a "tape" of further proof,possibly aiding the completion of a crossword in a right wing newspaper/journal,which would prove indisputable evidenceas as to my fakery.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 7:57 pm

The non existing social care of those with unmet needs is obviously of excellent value.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:03 pm

Burgon and Rees-Mogg on QT tonight.

A clash of the Titans.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:04 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... gest-child" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Official Statistics
Benefit cap: estimated impact on parents, by age of youngest child

(Adhoc-used in case they lost.)

You can superficially justify anything of course.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:12 pm

tinybgoat wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... gle-market
UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market
What took them so long?

quite

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:15 pm

UK: we're having this
EU: you're not
UK: EU says we're not having this but we are

UK officially resident in farce territory.
I doubt we will be seen as a serious nation any time soon.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:17 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... cron-volvo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
France to ban sales of petrol and diesel cars by 2040

Cool.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:17 pm

Indeed.Some men not wearing ties,it's full blown anarchy.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:19 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
tinybgoat wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... gle-market
UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market
What took them so long?
quite

And interesting - as I noted at the time - that we didn't get the usual "Business bosses backing Tories" letter in the press.

Whether one was started and business bosses told them to bugger off....

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:22 pm

kintories

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:22 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40520218" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EU and Japan reach free trade deal

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:24 pm

The Squat
https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact/v ... SQUAT.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 06 Jul, 2017 8:28 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40520218

EU and Japan reach free trade deal

You have to laugh.
It's the only option.