Monday 17th July 2017

Post by **refitman** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 7:10 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 7:23 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 44116.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

brexit-latest-talks-european-commission-brussels-david-davis-split-cabinet

Cabinet "tearing itself apart"

Bring it on

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 8:06 am

I think I've worked out why a link I posted yesterday didn't work, it was from Google to an article on Conservative Home & linked to a encrypted URL (HTTPS).
If you go directly to the website it's has unencrypted http links and there's no problem.
I probably just (stupidly) clicked to accept the HTTPS site (obv. because who wouldn't trust conservativehome).
Anyway, that's my theory, it's all Google's fault.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:03 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 39746.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jeremy Corbyn should be involved in the Brexit talks, says Guy Verhofstadt

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:18 am

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... revolution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Governments have to invest in the fourth industrial revolution

Interesting on investment, or rather lack of, from the private sector despite the almost complete absence of investment from the public sector. So much for the "crowding out" theory.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:24 am

tinybgoat wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 39746.html

Jeremy Corbyn should be involved in the Brexit talks, says Guy Verhofstadt

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:32 am

Morning all...

Ouch.

My Tory party has gambled away its reputation. It needs more than a new leader

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... new-leader

So how did the party of Burke bring us the maelstrom of 2017? Tory governments once claimed themselves our benevolent parents. But living in modern Britain feels like being one of a family of anxious, squabbling children whose parents have abandoned us to get drunk at the casino. Since the night of the Brexit referendum, when my Tory friend celebrated, sterling has lost 12% of its value against the dollar. Tory policies once promised a haven from global unrest. Now, they seem to provoke it.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:38 am

Edu select committee should be very entertaining given the firepower that Labour brings to it.

Lucy Powell joins two teachers in education committee line-up

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/lucy-powell-jo ... e-line-up/

It was reported on Saturday that Emma Hardy, a former teacher, NUT activist and Schools Week columnist, had been elected to serve on the committee.

And it has since been confirmed that Thelma Walker, a former headteacher who was elected to represent Colne Valley in June, will also serve, as will James Frith, the former head of careers education social enterprise All Together.

Excellent.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:39 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Edu select committee should be very entertaining given the firepower that Labour brings to it.

Lucy Powell joins two teachers in education committee line-up

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/lucy-powell-jo ... e-line-up/

It was reported on Saturday that Emma Hardy, a former teacher, NUT activist and Schools Week columnist, had been elected to serve on the committee.

And it has since been confirmed that Thelma Walker, a former headteacher who was elected to represent Colne Valley in June, will also serve, as will James Frith, the former head of careers education social enterprise All Together.
Excellent.

Thelma is my new MP. Happy for her

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:42 am

One for you Roger?

http://www.tes.com/news/school-news/bre ... d-children" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

exclusion-should-be-a-last-resort-not-excuse-offload-children

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:57 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 44116.html

brexit-latest-talks-european-commission-brussels-david-davis-split-cabinet

Cabinet "tearing itself apart"

Bring it on

I thought Gus O'Donnell's line was good.

The EU has clear negotiating guidelines, while it appears that cabinet members haven’t yet finished negotiating with each other, never mind the EU

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 10:04 am

Government welfare cuts blamed for 50% surge in mental health issues among unemployed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/healt ... 41941.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 10:18 am

Ignoring the obligatory dig at McDonnell, this is fun.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/phi ... 44111.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Philip Hammond is the most overpaid public sector worker in the country

One grey, middle aged robot with the charisma of a 1950s BBC continuity announcer, the rhetorical flair of a field of wheat, and the gift for radiating empathy of a comatose sociopath, should sate the Tory appetite. Two in a row would be suicide.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 10:43 am

tinybgoat wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 39746.html

Jeremy Corbyn should be involved in the Brexit talks, says Guy Verhofstadt

Classic trolling

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 10:56 am

Interesting, especially the maps.

http://www.statsmapsnpix.com/2017/07/wh ... a.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **adam** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 11:25 am

StephenDolan wrote:Interesting, especially the maps.

http://www.statsmapsnpix.com/2017/07/wh ... a.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Radio 4's 'More or Less' did this one a few years ago - you can listen to it here

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 11:31 am

adam wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Interesting, especially the maps.

http://www.statsmapsnpix.com/2017/07/wh ... a.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Radio 4's 'More or Less' did this one a few years ago - you can listen to it here

Thanks Adam.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 11:31 am

https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/publ ... etter-whom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well, yes.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 11:40 am

And re yesterday's chatter following the Doctor Who announcement, the Labour party has actually had two women leaders.

(both short term, yes, but constitutionally fully in charge of the leadership in that period - not just "acting")

There is another major party who has never had a woman even temporarily in charge.......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 12:10 pm

Good morfternoon.

According to the TV news, David Davis spent a whole "couple of hours" at the EU negotiations today. He's now left.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 12:13 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

According to the TV news, David Davis spent a whole "couple of hours" at the EU negotiations today. He's now left.

We can but admire his selfless sacrifice.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 12:19 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/ju ... -thinktank" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rail firms that fail on disability should lose franchise – thinktank

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 12:21 pm

More on "David Davis has left the building" -

David Davis, the Brexit secretary, has already left Brussels - not because he left his notes at home (see 10.08am) but because most of the talks this week are being conducted by officials, not by the principals. He will be back on Thursday when he will hold talks with Michel Barnier before the two men give a press conference. (Politics Live, Guardian)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 12:48 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... tin-g72017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Guidance
HB Bulletin: G7/2017

Info concerning runaround with two child policy,and legislation introduction of the sick/disabled/carers (continued) residualisation/negation of previous contributions policy,amongst others

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 12:53 pm

Moving steadily from "most situations are temporary,if they are not tough" to blanket removal regardless.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 12:59 pm

PorFavor wrote:More on "David Davis has left the building" -

David Davis, the Brexit secretary, has already left Brussels - not because he left his notes at home (see 10.08am) but because most of the talks this week are being conducted by officials, not by the principals. He will be back on Thursday when he will hold talks with Michel Barnier before the two men give a press conference. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Anyone listen to Dead Ringers on R4 ?

"Brexit Bulldog" has Davies down to T

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007gd85" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 1:55 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... tin-g72017

Guidance
HB Bulletin: G7/2017

Info concerning runaround with two child policy,and legislation introduction of the sick/disabled/carers (continued) residualisation/negation of previous contributions policy,amongst others

I'm afraid I started to read that, and straight away came up against this. Clear as mud.

Claimants with more than two children
4. Claimants with three or more children or QYPs will not be able to make a new
claim for Universal Credit, unless the claimant:
• has been in receipt of Universal Credit within the previous six month period
and is making a re-claim
• is making a new claim as a single person within one month of a previous
joint claim ending, because they are no longer a member of a couple
5. New Universal Credit claimants with more than two children or QYPs will need
to apply for Child Tax Credit and any other benefits they may be entitled to
including HB.

It's not just me is it? 4 says you can't claim UC if you've got more than 2 kids, but 5 calls you a UC claimant anyway.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 2:51 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nuary-2019" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Barclays bank and former bosses to stand trial in January 2019

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 3:31 pm

gilsey wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... tin-g72017

Guidance
HB Bulletin: G7/2017

Info concerning runaround with two child policy,and legislation introduction of the sick/disabled/carers (continued) residualisation/negation of previous contributions policy,amongst others
I'm afraid I started to read that, and straight away came up against this. Clear as mud.
Claimants with more than two children
4. Claimants with three or more children or QYPs will not be able to make a new
claim for Universal Credit, unless the claimant:
• has been in receipt of Universal Credit within the previous six month period
and is making a re-claim
• is making a new claim as a single person within one month of a previous
joint claim ending, because they are no longer a member of a couple
5. New Universal Credit claimants with more than two children or QYPs will need
to apply for Child Tax Credit and any other benefits they may be entitled to
including HB.
It's not just me is it? 4 says you can't claim UC if you've got more than 2 kids, but 5 calls you a UC claimant anyway.

And lo, the number on UC is high, but the amount claimed is low. It works!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 3:46 pm

A British diplomat has said Brexit talks on the issue of a frictionaless border in Ireland are “stuck” because a solution cannot be found in isolation from the final deal on the UK’s relationship with the EU.

Neil Holland, deputy head of mission at the British Embassy, told the Magill summer school in Donegal on Monday that the Good Friday Agreement on peace in Northern Ireland had “the highest level of agreement” possible from all sides involved in discussions.

“The problem is how to get from A to B, how to get from the political assertion to the realities soft border,” said Holland.

You can’t have a discussion about what Northern Ireland should look like before we know the nature of the replacement relationship, so we are kind of stuck. Until we know the shape of the future agreement [it’s very difficult to know how that would look.] (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 3:51 pm

David Davis has called upon both sides to "get down to business". (BBC TV news)

He then added, "Must dash . . .".

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 4:04 pm

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 4:05 pm

(I can't help it)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 4:28 pm

HindleA wrote:-

Rather to the point, you might say?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 4:40 pm

FWIW according to StatXplore as of December'16 which it is stuck at (recent months otherwise given will be subject to a high degree of revision-their words) about 42,000 receivers of UC have any children(3 to 1 single) and receive(d)the housing element.Just to put the reality/context of" x million claims" and" fully rolled out"

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 4:41 pm

Point of order, is that a dash or a minus?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 4:42 pm

tinybgoat wrote:Point of order, is that a dash or a minus?

Two dashes minus a dash.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 4:43 pm

Rayner sticking it to Greening.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 4:48 pm

I contend.

- dash

pick-me-up hyphen(s)

5-2 minus.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 5:00 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... -standards" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

School makes pupils wear signs if uniform doesn't meet standards

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 5:15 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Rayner sticking it to Greening.

She's genuinely ace. One of those who was thrown in at the deep end last summer, and actually thrived on it.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 5:23 pm

HindleA wrote:I contend.

- dash

pick-me-up hyphen(s)

5-2 minus.

Nope, they all look suspiciously like minuses to me

http://www.punctuationmatters.com/hyphe ... nd-m-dash/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- minus
– hyphen
– en-dash (or ndash or n-dash)
— em-dash (or mdash or m-dash)

edited to add sorry, I know it's sad but had already gone as far as copy & pasted each minus, dash & hyphen 10 times, to compare lengths ..

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 5:31 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... -standards

School makes pupils wear signs if uniform doesn't meet standards

Isn't that a bit of a.........well..........Cultural Revolution vibe??

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 5:40 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Rayner sticking it to Greening.
She's genuinely ace. One of those who was thrown in at the deep end last summer, and actually thrived on it.

Flagged by "moi" over a year ago

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 5:47 pm

Tinybgoat.I bow to your obvious superior knowledge.I blame my keyboard.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 5:59 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... ol-funding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Justine Greening statement to parliament on lack of school funding

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 8:21 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... barnier-eu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Day two of Brexit talks – and the UK looks as underprepared as ever

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 8:23 pm

https://mlexmarketinsight.com/insights- ... lextwitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Companies face new UK levies to fund post-Brexit regulators

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 8:25 pm

http://www.lag.org.uk/magazine/2017/07/ ... ation.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Improving fire safety under housing legislation

Giles Peaker, Justin Bates and Karen Buck MP

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 8:50 pm

Tory MPs Stop Public Submitting Petitions To Government Until At Least September

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_596ce ... mg00000004" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;