Thursday 20th July 2017

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 3:39 am

Morning

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 3:44 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... c-disaster" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Even after the general election wiped out the Conservatives’ majority and denied Theresa May the increased negotiating mandate she asked the public for, she has stuck with the mantra that “no deal is better than a bad deal”.

But a Changing Europe report, which brings together experts from politics, law and economics, finds that exiting in March 2019, when the Article 50 process is due to end, without first striking an agreement, would hit everything from the nuclear industry to the security of legal contracts.

and

https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/new ... ntID=19098" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
May also said that, while immigration could bring ’great benefits, the free movement of people had ‘stretched’ infrastructure, including housing, and that the government must limit the number of those coming into the UK from the European Union.

‘Brexit must mean control of the number of people who come to Britain from Europe, and that is what we will deliver,’ she said.
...
Describing the EU as ‘close friends and neighbours’, May said that the people of Britain voted to leave the European Union with their ‘eyes wide open’.

Which would (in my view) require that the Changing Europe report had been prepared and carefully communicated to said people of Britain well in advance of the referendum.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 5:56 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ng-illness" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 6:32 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... g-poll-tax" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 6:39 am

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/c ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 7:40 am

http://news.sky.com/story/health-secret ... p-10953902" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"I can see a world, not immediately but in perhaps five years' time, where the NHS pays to sort out the damp in someone's council house."
His suggestion drew a response from NHS chief executive Simon Stevens, appearing alongside him at the event, who asked in jest: "From our increased budget?"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 8:08 am

Arse about facery,a holistic approach is ensuring homes don't get damp in the first place.The truth is we never have adequately invested in accounting for mass decarceration and move to community/care in home facilitation.Indeed they spend most of the time undermining it.No doubt continued pursuance of a medical bed for payment for rent is part of the holistic approach to misanthropy.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 8:24 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -this-year" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK has not taken in any child refugees under Dubs scheme this year

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 8:41 am

HindleA wrote:Arse about facery,a holistic approach is ensuring homes don't get damp in the first place.The truth is we never have adequately invested in accounting for mass decarceration and move to community/care in home facilitation.Indeed they spend most of the time undermining it.No doubt continued pursuance of a medical bed for payment for rent is part of the holistic approach to misanthropy.

And as pointed out VERY effectively by Mr Corbyn the Tories vote against legislating for decent homes for all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 8:47 am

Buck trying again with fit for habitation second reading January.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 8:58 am

Morning all.

Oh to finally have decent internal political pressure on Netanyahu.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -netanyahu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 9:24 am

Good Morfternoon

(Jobshare)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 9:27 am

https://amp.theguardian.com/housing-net ... ey-housing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kensington and Chelsea may be rich, but it has no money for housing
Government policy means Kensington and Chelsea had £274m in reserves, but an £87m housing deficit – and other councils are in the same boat

Really good article which exposes how little autonomy local councils have. They are often held accountable for decisions taken centrally and under Cameron and Osborne a lot of those decisions centred around devolving responsibility without the accompanying funding.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 9:31 am

(It worked)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 9:32 am

Good morfternoon.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 9:44 am

tinybgoat wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/health-secret ... p-10953902

"I can see a world, not immediately but in perhaps five years' time, where the NHS pays to sort out the damp in someone's council house."
His suggestion drew a response from NHS chief executive Simon Stevens, appearing alongside him at the event, who asked in jest: "From our increased budget?"

As so often with *unt, that article reads like a complete fantasy. A different NHS in a parallel universe.
STPs are about improving services not saving money, up is down, black is white.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 10:08 am

Shocking. Truly shocking.

Official figures show biggest rise in crime in a decade

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... n-a-decade" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 10:33 am

StephenDolan wrote:Shocking. Truly shocking.

Official figures show biggest rise in crime in a decade

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... n-a-decade" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

John Flatley, head of crime statistics and analysis at the Office of National Statistics, said: “The latest figures show the largest annual rise in crimes recorded by the police in a decade. While ongoing improvements to recording practices are driving this volume rise, we believe actual increases in crime are also a factor in a number of categories."

Wouldn't it be great if he denied something?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 10:43 am

e.g. John Flatley denied that the latest statistics were anything to worry about

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:04 am

I retweet lots of articles on twitter, normally to thin air, but this particular article from the Huffpost has attracted a lot of attention, so I thought I'd share it here as well:

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_596f4 ... f46e11/amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Save the Children has strongly dismissed a claim by Katie Hopkins that she “spent time” with the crew of one of the charity’s ships whilst investigating what she believes is their collusion with people traffickers.

The denial came shortly after the columnist’s first dispatch from Sicily reporting on charities working in the Mediterranean mysteriously disappeared from the internet.

It's pretty much par for the course for Hopkins, but I guess the actual withdrawal of her bile from publication, by the Mail no less, is possibly new territory.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:20 am

StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.

Oh to finally have decent internal political pressure on Netanyahu.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -netanyahu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obama did about as much as any POTUS could be expected to, for which he was regularly lambasted as "anti-Israel" (or worse) by the usual suspects.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:22 am

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/ ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:26 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.

Oh to finally have decent internal political pressure on Netanyahu.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -netanyahu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Obama did about as much as any POTUS could be expected to, for which he was regularly lambasted as "anti-Israel" (or worse) by the usual suspects.

Agreed AK, it's whether something happens internally.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:26 am

Number of police officers lowest since 1985.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:28 am

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/ ... widespread" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

New report finds that unmet needs in social care among older people are widespread

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:36 am

https://markneary1dotcom1.wordpress.com ... epy-wakey/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sleepy & Wakey

" It was only then that I discovered what the agency had been charging. For a night shift, they were charging the council £125 but only paying the workers £35. They were making a £90 profit for every night. "

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:46 am

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1632083 ... f-the-army" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour Press
It is deeply concerning that the size of the Army has fallen yet again on this Government’s watch - Nia Griffith

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 11:58 am

The "Brexit" press conference has begun. I hope David Davis "survives" it. Initial impressions don't bode well (for us).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 12:05 pm

HindleA wrote:Buck trying again with fit for habitation second reading January.

This is a private member's bill, I presume?

Another one high up on the list is interesting - Afzal Khan (Lab) has one setting rules for the Boundary Commission regarding the number of MPs and size of constituencies. Speculation that it is in effect an attempt to kill off the boundary changes in their present form.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 12:10 pm

However, we are making a "fair and serious" offer.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 12:17 pm

Barnier says the EU is not in a game of making concessions, or asking for them.

He says it was the UK that decided to leave the EU. That is a serious decision.

He has done negotiations before, he says. He knows Davis well. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)

Oh dear.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 12:49 pm

Haven't seen Roger. I wonder if he has literally erupted in rage having read this from Chris McGovern

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/chri ... rbynistas/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

chris-mcgovern-blob-intent-churning-generation-corbynistas

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 12:52 pm

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... 2017-07-20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 1:04 pm

Andrea Leadsom has just praised Jane Austen, "one of our greatest living authors"

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 1:09 pm

From Politics Live, Guardian -

Adam Bienkov‏Verified account @AdamBienkov

Andrea Leadsom celebrates Jane Austen, "one of our greatest living authors"

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 1:10 pm

@PaulfromYorkshire

Snap.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 1:16 pm

Maybe Andrea Leadsom is in fact an apparition from the 18th century?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 1:17 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... tion-plans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Grayling sparks fury by scrapping rail electrification plans
Government accused of ‘years of broken promises’ after dropping schemes to make network faster and greener

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 1:23 pm

Born in the same place at me(bloody hell,just checked she's younger;this should really be stopped)I didn't go to a Girls' Grammar school.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 1:27 pm

The pupils at my comprehensive were overwhelmingly of right wing persuasion,shoot the boat people one of the more moderate views.Although we did have a Communist music teacher

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 1:32 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Haven't seen Roger. I wonder if he has literally erupted in rage having read this from Chris McGovern

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/chri ... rbynistas/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

chris-mcgovern-blob-intent-churning-generation-corbynistas

I am here - just been down at the school to see people on the last day and catch up with anything that needs doing.

I don't know of anyone apart from that website and the Mail/Telegraph who takes McGovern seriously. I never see anything he's written being tweeted out. And yes, I do follow people who are right of centre too but his output is just one long whine. Most just ignore him.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 2:53 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Maybe Andrea Leadsom is in fact an apparition from the 18th century?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 2:56 pm

Pedagogical just came up in my crossword.I like to keep people informed.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 3:05 pm

The Evening Standard has published the results of an Ipsos MORI poll which it says shows that Theresa May’s satisfaction ratings are “the worst for any modern-day prime minister”. She has a net satisfaction rating of -25, while Jeremy Corbyn’s is -1. (Politics Live, Guardian)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 3:15 pm

Definition of modern-day?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 3:18 pm

HindleA wrote:Definition of modern-day?

Just what I was thinking!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 4:09 pm

Well yes, I thought Brown's rating fell pretty low at one point.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 4:37 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:e.g. John Flatley denied that the latest statistics were anything to worry about

They're not reliable. The ones to look at the EWCS as the methodology has changed for the police reported ones, which aren't designated NS.

This isn't to say the criminal justice system isn't chronically underfunded (especially compared to the ring fenced NHS), it is.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 4:47 pm

Vince Cable has been confirmed as the new Liberal Democrat leader after today's 4PM deadline passed with no other candidate having been nominated.

Don't all clap at once

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Jul, 2017 5:06 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:e.g. John Flatley denied that the latest statistics were anything to worry about

They're not reliable. The ones to look at the EWCS as the methodology has changed for the police reported ones, which aren't designated NS.

This isn't to say the criminal justice system isn't chronically underfunded (especially compared to the ring fenced NHS), it is.

I was trying to be funny!

"flatly denied"

Sorry