Friday 21st July 2017

Post by **refitman** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 7:12 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 8:39 am

I found this interesting as it's a strong indication that the government is seriously pursuing a hard Brexit and even if they struggle to gain consensus support in Parliament, I'm not sure if there is anything to stop them. Can Parliament stop them?

http://news.sky.com/story/amp/schedulin ... o-10955853" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For four decades the UK has had no schedules, instead it has shared the European Union (previously Community) schedules.

So what to do now, to disentangle the UK from the EU at the WTO. The answer, says Mr Fox, is to unilaterally assume UK's trade share of these EU quotas.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 8:45 am

Morning Refitman, Willow, All

Just caught up on the rest of yesterday. Outstanding stuff. Funny. Incisive. Haven't click thanked everyone, but thank you

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 9:45 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 52281.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jaguar Land Rover opens first overseas engine plant in China
British car manufacturer looks to weather potential Brexit storm with a brand new engine production hub in China

Buy British - made in China

How much damage do we need to do to the country before we stop this self anihilation?

Post by **adam** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 9:52 am

Breaking! Britain borrowed more than expected to balance the books in June, in a blow to the government’s fiscal plans.

The UK’s public sector net borrowing requirement jumped to £6.9bn in June 2017, which is £2bn more than in June 2016.
That’s an increase on May’s £6.7bn.
City economists had expected the monthly deficit would drop to £4.7bn, so this suggests that the public finance are in a worse state than hoped.
These figures show that Britain has borrowed £22.8bn since the start of the financial year in April, £1.9bn more than in the same period in the previous financial year.

From the graun business blog

Shocked &c...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 9:53 am

adam wrote:
Breaking! Britain borrowed more than expected to balance the books in June, in a blow to the government’s fiscal plans.

The UK’s public sector net borrowing requirement jumped to £6.9bn in June 2017, which is £2bn more than in June 2016.
That’s an increase on May’s £6.7bn.
City economists had expected the monthly deficit would drop to £4.7bn, so this suggests that the public finance are in a worse state than hoped.
These figures show that Britain has borrowed £22.8bn since the start of the financial year in April, £1.9bn more than in the same period in the previous financial year.
From the graun business blog

Shocked &c...

Unexpected . . .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 10:18 am

Good morfternoon.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 10:55 am

According to Sky News, the definition of "recent times" (the conversation here, yesterday) is 1977 onwards.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:04 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:16 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... n-cladding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:16 am

Willow904 wrote:I found this interesting as it's a strong indication that the government is seriously pursuing a hard Brexit and even if they struggle to gain consensus support in Parliament, I'm not sure if there is anything to stop them. Can Parliament stop them?

http://news.sky.com/story/amp/schedulin ... o-10955853" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For four decades the UK has had no schedules, instead it has shared the European Union (previously Community) schedules.

So what to do now, to disentangle the UK from the EU at the WTO. The answer, says Mr Fox, is to unilaterally assume UK's trade share of these EU quotas.

Yes, but we know Fox is a Brexit "true believer".

I wouldn't read much more than that into these comments, especially given some of the other briefings to the press recently.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:25 am

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Transparency data
DWP: exceptions to spending controls for October to December 2016

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:30 am

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ure-ad2211" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Guidance
Anti-Dumping Duty measure AD2211

(Not what I thought it was)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:31 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Yo

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:34 am

Mash wrote: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/inte ... 0721132529" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mary Fisher, from Stevenage, said: “My main understanding of Brexit has been that it’s going to make it harder for my eldest son to piss around in Berlin for several years pursuing a doomed career as a DJ before returning home to become an IT consultant.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:36 am

-hji Yamamoto

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:37 am

Michael Denzil Xavier Portillo in the Express wrote: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/831331 ... referendum" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He noted even the Labour Party had to accept the vote, adding: “Article 50 went through with a huge majority, it was in Labour’s manifesto as well as our manifesto that this was going to be a Brexit that included leaving the single market and customs union.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:45 am

@tc2

Didn't see you in the Fenton last night

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:45 am

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-net ... used-to-it" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:47 am

Hopefully you didn't heed my naked feather dusting advice.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:48 am

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:49 am

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/ju ... nt-reports" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brenda Hale to become first female president of supreme court – reports

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 11:51 am

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... at-gatwick" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
EasyJet overbooking

Overbooking should just be made illegal.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:04 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... at-gatwick" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
EasyJet overbooking
Overbooking should just be made illegal.

I don't understand why it matters if people miss their flight and there are a couple of empty seats. The seats have still been paid for so the cost of the flight is still covered. So I agree that overbooking should be looked at from a statutory consumer rights angle. If you have a ticket, you should have a seat - not just a chance of a seat.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:05 pm

Happened with us in trains (wheelchair space) and/or do you mind going in first class so non booked can travel negotiations and taxi substitutions.Realise different circumstances and own private jet implications.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:06 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Michael Denzil Xavier Portillo in the Express wrote: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/831331 ... referendum" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He noted even the Labour Party had to accept the vote, adding: “Article 50 went through with a huge majority, it was in Labour’s manifesto as well as our manifesto that this was going to be a Brexit that included leaving the single market and customs union.

Which still leaves a great deal of ambiguity.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:19 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... rnity-case" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Salvador Dalí's moustache still intact.

(If you've been wondering)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:22 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... rnity-case

Salvador Dalí's moustache still intact.

(If you've been wondering)

What can I wonder about now? That's my problem. Perhaps I can just wonder about what to wonder about . . .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:31 pm

I wondered lonely as a cloud.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:33 pm

I wonder are clouds generally lonely?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:34 pm

HindleA wrote:I wonder are clouds generally lonely?

Thought they tended to be quite gregarious, actually?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:35 pm

Yeah.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:38 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... tter-do-we" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Living in the path of HS2: 'We don’t matter, do we?'
Those who find their properties on the maps for the train line’s proposed route are finding it very difficult to get answers

Post by **adam** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:38 pm

WHY DOROTHY WORDSWORTH IS NOT AS FAMOUS AS HER BROTHER

"I wandered lonely as a...
They're in the top drawer, William,
Under your socks -
I wandered lonely as a -
No not that drawer, the top one.
I wandered by myself -
Well wear the ones you can find.
No, don't get overwrought my dear, I'm coming.

"I wandered lonely as a -
Lonely as a cloud when -
Soft-boiled egg, yes my dear,
As usual, three minutes -
As a cloud which floats -
Look, I said I'll cook it,
Just hold on will you -
All right, I'm coming.

"One day I was out for a walk
When I saw this flock -
It can't be too hard, it had three minutes.
Well put some butter in it. -
This host of golden daffodils
As I was out for a stroll one -
"Oh you fancy a stroll, do you?
Yes all right, William, I'm coming.
It's on the peg. Under your hat.
I'll bring my pad, shall I, in case
You want to jot something down?"

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:39 pm

Terrific set of local by-elections for Labour yesterday - one of the best I can remember.

Two gains in not obviously promising territory, another near miss, one tough defence successfully negotiated, vote share up in every seat they contested.

The usual detailed write up will follow in due course

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:46 pm

Excellent to hear.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 12:58 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/social-care ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nursing shortages fuelling delayed discharge from hospital
Falling number of district and other community nurses as big a factor as social care blockages, analysis finds

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 2:28 pm

I've just checked - my moustache is still intact.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 2:56 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ts-feeling" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If dogs could talk, they’d tell us some home truths

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 2:58 pm

http://www.publicsectorexecutive.com/Pu ... rite=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 3:37 pm

https://www.engage.england.nhs.uk/consu ... rescribed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Items which should not be routinely prescribed in primary care: A Consultation on guidance for CCGs

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 4:09 pm

Mark Steel

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 51656.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Liam Fox says the Brexit deal will be the 'easiest thing in human history'. That's a relief, isn't it?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 4:10 pm

It’s like finding an unexploded bomb in your kitchen, so the army say they’ll get someone to diffuse it, and send round Paul Gascoigne and a kangaroo.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 4:12 pm

Liam Fox went on to explain the only difficulties in the talks arose when “politics gets in the way”. And you can see his point, because it’s a disgrace how some people allow the basic everyday matter of leaving the EU to become political, especially as anti-EU campaigners went out of their way to never mention any political issues in the referendum, refusing to ever refer to our great nation being under threat or immigration being out of control or needing to get our country back. They just produced a series of spreadsheets showing that if we left we’d increase the sales of British ironing boards and never said anything political once ever.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 4:13 pm

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 4:16 pm

The most marvellous part of all is that the referendum was only called in the first place to calm down divisions in the Conservative Party, so luckily it seems to have managed that. No longer do they scream at each other about leaving or staying, now it’s about soft Brexit or hard Brexit, then it will be whether we should leave Europe’s geological structure and form our own tectonic plates, and Liam Fox will assure this would be the easiest afternoon of drilling through the Earth’s core in human history.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 4:17 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
The most marvellous part of all is that the referendum was only called in the first place to calm down divisions in the Conservative Party, so luckily it seems to have managed that. No longer do they scream at each other about leaving or staying, now it’s about soft Brexit or hard Brexit, then it will be whether we should leave Europe’s geological structure and form our own tectonic plates, and Liam Fox will assure this would be the easiest afternoon of drilling through the Earth’s core in human history.

Tbf to Mark Steel, when he's good he's very good.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 4:36 pm

http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/News/154215 ... ref=twtrec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"holistic approach"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 4:41 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Palestinians killed as Israel restricts access to Jerusalem's Old City
Protesters clash with Israeli forces outside Old City as tensions rise over new security measures and limiting of access to holy site

In an additional controversial security measure, Israel restricted entry to the mosque area and Old City on Friday to men aged 50 and over and women.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 21 Jul, 2017 5:00 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
The most marvellous part of all is that the referendum was only called in the first place to calm down divisions in the Conservative Party, so luckily it seems to have managed that. No longer do they scream at each other about leaving or staying, now it’s about soft Brexit or hard Brexit, then it will be whether we should leave Europe’s geological structure and form our own tectonic plates, and Liam Fox will assure this would be the easiest afternoon of drilling through the Earth’s core in human history.

Of course - that explains all the approvals for fracking! Why didn't they just say? I'd have understood . . .

Edited - typos