Saturday 29th and Sunday 30th July 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 9:49 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... g-factions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Winners and losers among White House’s warring factions

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 10:02 am

SpinningHugo wrote:Interesting right wing claim with some truth

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/how ... ll-dumber/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I blame one K R Murdoch.

Post by **adam** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 10:10 am

Tubby Isaacs wrote:A good point by Jolyon Maugham that I hadn't appreciated.

A transition period isn't extra time to negotiate stuff- it's a period when stuff is transitioning to what's been agreed by the time we leave in March 2019.

This is scary.

There was a long piece about this a month or two ago I remember reading - saying 'transition' doesn't mean anything unless you are completely clear about what you're transitioning to. The government seem to be using it to mean 'an extra few years to try to sort things out'.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 10:16 am

The EU said at a very early stage that a transition period would only be agreed to if they knew the outline of the system we were transitioning to. Nothing new there, just more evidence that our representatives aren't listening to the other side.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 10:16 am

It's very sad to write 'the other side' there.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 11:06 am

Cheshire Cat Brexit

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 11:07 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... on-al-gore" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'
With the sequel to his blockbuster documentary An Inconvenient Truth about to be released, Al Gore tells Carole Cadwalladr how his role at the forefront of the fight against climate change consumes his life

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 11:50 am

I see that the utterly execrable Kevin Myers is now a ST columnist, then. I presume Rupe wanted somebody who would actually make Rod Liddle look good in comparison??

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:01 pm

Has Hugo admitted to linking to a spoof article yet...or shown any inclination to a t least say 'whoops!'?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:06 pm

Parent power: South Shields school drops academy plans after parents revolt

Read more at: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/pare ... -1-8674970" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:10 pm

gilsey wrote:The EU said at a very early stage that a transition period would only be agreed to if they knew the outline of the system we were transitioning to. Nothing new there, just more evidence that our representatives aren't listening to the other side.

The other thing on the transitional time is that each of the other 27 have to agree to allow it, it's not just down to Michel Barnier.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:12 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:Has Hugo admitted to linking to a spoof article yet...or shown any inclination to a t least say 'whoops!'?

As I said last night, he wasn't the only person taken in by it (in many cases all too willingly, I have to suspect)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:12 pm

Süleyman Gökçe‏
@_sgokce

#World's 5th oldest living organism #Taxus #Baccata, born in the Bronze Age, celebrated 4.112th birthday, in #Zonguldak

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:15 pm

UK government 'not in the right mental space' over border

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:18 pm

Don't know he just relentlessly links to varying degrees of right wing newspapers/magazines that I have laughed at before.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:20 pm

The Sunday Times‏Verified account @thesundaytimes 57m57 minutes ago

Statement below from the editor regarding today's Kevin Myers article:

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:24 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... p-old-norm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Slow economic growth is not the new normal, it's the old norm
Larry Elliott

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:28 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that the utterly execrable Kevin Myers is now a ST columnist, then. I presume Rupe wanted somebody who would actually make Rod Liddle look good in comparison??

Had just posted a comment when the article was deleted but one of the comments btl in response to another said:

@Simon Hargreaves Oh Simon, Oh Simon, oh Simon. You have only just discovered Kevin Meyers! He writes for The Times on a weekly basis I think. We (in Ireland) have had to live with Kevin for the past 30 years. You can be assured that whatever the sane and rational perspective on any given story, Kevin will always find an opposite and controversial angle, deliberately designed to provoke outrage. Sexism (and in this article anti-semitism, appealing to the old and worn Shylock stereotype of Jews) are just the tip of the iceberg. Welcome to the world of Kevin.

I generally find the Times & ST nowhere near as bad as the Telegraph but employing a known anti-Semite as columnist does them no favours whatsoever.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 12:53 pm

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 1:11 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Has Hugo admitted to linking to a spoof article yet...or shown any inclination to a t least say 'whoops!'?
As I said last night, he wasn't the only person taken in by it (in many cases all too willingly, I have to suspect)

Haven't we all at some point AK.....that is just how it is sometimes

This particular poster always seems to be happy to project an air of superiority - a quick 'whoops!' would suffice, as most people would have done if it was pointed out they had posted a link to a spoof

Or does he actually challenge that it is a spoof?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 1:39 pm

“I note that two of the best-paid women presenters in the BBC - Claudia Winkleman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted - are Jewish. Good for them. Jews are not generally noted for their insistence on selling their talent for the lowest possible price, which is the most useful measure there is of inveterate, lost-with-all-hands stupidity. I wonder, who are their agents?”

Jews like money innit.

This exact trope has got Jews mass murdered, on more than one occasion in history. How did this get published?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 1:50 pm

adam wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:A good point by Jolyon Maugham that I hadn't appreciated.

A transition period isn't extra time to negotiate stuff- it's a period when stuff is transitioning to what's been agreed by the time we leave in March 2019.

This is scary.
There was a long piece about this a month or two ago I remember reading - saying 'transition' doesn't mean anything unless you are completely clear about what you're transitioning to. The government seem to be using it to mean 'an extra few years to try to sort things out'.

Exactly, yes.

This is a good piece from Flip Chart Rick.

https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.c ... ss-vacuum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rick compares Brexit to be being in an office where you've been told to redesign the structures and systems, but can't get a proper answer about what the redesign is supposed to achieve. After a while a new manager comes in and says you've just got to get on with it, and you do, but soon you realize you still need a plan.

A Brexiter shows up and ridicules planning. Another poster hilariously compares him to David Brent trying to explain away why he hasn't done some planning job he's been told to do.

As with the best Brexiters, there's a bizarre analogy chucked in, involving Microsoft and Apple. If you think it's bizarre, that speaks volumes about you, apparently. Never mind, there's another analogy coming along- The Soviet Union. I always wonder how many Latvians muddle up the USSR and the EU.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 1:53 pm

I think that Brexit guy there is Douglas Carswell.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 2:11 pm

It's like being at sea, the weather so mercurial

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 2:11 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 2:57 pm

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA
Night night.

And (a bit late - I've just caught up) freezing cold and peeing down here. Not much intermittent about it, either. It's been like it for several days now.

Please keep yourself warm, hydrated, well-fed and safe.
I love watching and hiking all kinds of weather.
Cold rain can make past injuries hurt, work more difficult and traffic challenging.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 2:59 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Has everyone else experienced the drop in temperature and lashing rain the last twenty-four hours or so? It's been intermittent, the rain and cold. West Midlands, me.
Same here

Keep warm and sound off if you require assistance.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 4:39 pm

Charles Tannock's had two pops at Daniel Hannan today.

Those Tory MEP meetings must have been interesting.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 4:50 pm

https://twitter.com/rolandvstewart" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just come across this fool. "Once of the New Schools Network".

He''s a staunch Brexiter. Didn't like the suggestion that Kent didn't think through the consequences.

Roland Stewart‏ @rolandvstewart 53m
They did think of those. They just had enough courage to think 'my country is slightly more important than a lorry queue'

But what's this?

Roland Stewart‏ @rolandvstewart Jul 18
Vast maj of Labour members (indeed voters generally) will invariably have no idea what Single market and Customs Union are. Meaningless.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 4:52 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Richard Burgon writes

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Burgon is the shadow Lord Chancellor.
Hugo, you do know that's a spoof, don't you ?

Suckered me. All too plausible.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:01 pm

Nadine Dorries‏Verified account
@NadineDorries
London couple just told me that since Boris left, London has become a scarier city, feel as though they are living in midst of crime wave

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... n-a-decade" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Last full year of "Boris"- murders rose from 83 to 118. Of course 83 was very low, but Khan inheritied an upward trend.

She also thinks that in 90s London, pollution masks were "the norm".

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:16 pm

I would take a bet that most voters are not able to explain what the Single Market and the Custom's Union entail, especially for non-EU participants

The fact that people keep shouting 'Norway' as if it was some done deal which we just have to say we want just exemplifies this

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:18 pm

The bookies refused to take my bet on the subsequent response stakes.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:20 pm

I thought you were an eminent lawyer.....and you could not see through such an obvious spoof? Wow....

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:20 pm

Kevin Myers has apparently been sacked by the Sunday Times

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:22 pm

Fantastic. Off to Spiked.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:24 pm

HindleA wrote:The bookies refused to take my bet on the subsequent response stakes.

I'll take it MrA.........

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:24 pm

Good to see the despicable creature go but who let that get into the paper?

Heads higher up need to go as well

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:32 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/media/media ... e-tabloids" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reactionary politics play their part in the demise of the tabloids
Roy Greenslade

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 5:43 pm

Major issues - what would a good EU look like?:

globalisation
and our cultural failure to overcome in/out-group hostility
technological unemployment
consumer demand for lowest costs keeps wages low
security
individualism/populism
aristocracy and its post-revolutionary equivalent
(one law for the rich)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:04 pm

Why Brits hate the ECJ (or do we)?

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-e ... est-court/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Former Home Secretary Charles Clarke rejects May’s analysis entirely: “I certainly don’t hate the ECJ and I believe that at least 95 percent of the British people don’t give a toss about the ECJ, of which probably 75 percent haven’t the slightest idea what it is,” he said.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:06 pm

9. It has ‘Europe’ in the title

Many people are confused about the difference between the ECJ — which enforces EU law — and the European Court of Human Rights, which is based in Strasbourg and was established by the European Convention on Human Rights.

Unpopular, and well publicized, judgments about allowing prisoners the right to vote and preventing terrorists being deported are often attributed to the wrong court, according to Barnard. “There is some confusion between the courts and again it reinforces this narrative of external control over internal affairs,” she said.

Bring back Doggerland.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:18 pm

Am heartily sick of our absurd island mentality. The Brits need to get out more.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:21 pm

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/834851 ... -fox-video" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

#completegibberish

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:23 pm

Donaeld The Unready‏ @donaeldunready Jul 29
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Softy monks say Danes not dangerous but clue's in the name. Dane-gerous! Must've thought we were stupid to not see that! WRONG, LOSERS.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:27 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:Good to see the despicable creature go but who let that get into the paper?

Heads higher up need to go as well

A very good point, just as those who have deemed K T Hopkins a worthwhile journalistic exercise should have questions to answer.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:33 pm

The Bank’s maintenance, security and hospitality staff are to strike in a dispute over pay

The Bank of England will hold last-ditch talks with the UK’s largest trade union on Monday as the central bank attempts to avert its first strike in 50 years.

The stoppage has been called over a below-inflation pay offer to the Bank’s maintenance, security and hospitality staff, and was originally due to begin on Monday. However, the action has been delayed for a day to allow late talks via the conciliation service, Acas, and is now scheduled to last between Tuesday and Thursday if talks fail.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nite-union" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:39 pm

Considering that as a prominent Brexiteer, Gisela will have a high% of brexit followers the reply's to this thread are quite telling.

Gisela Stuart‏Verified account
@GiselaStuart
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Brexit belongs to the British people – not any political party – the next six months are critical http://brxcen.com/2uXHOif" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; via @BrexitCentral

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Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:57 pm

Anyone come across an irritating Lexiter called Paul Embery of the FBU?

When the £350m a week lie is brought up, he responds with "what about the Osborne punishment budget?" Philip Hammond's budget sounded quite punishing. It had £122bn Brexit black hole in it.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 30 Jul, 2017 6:57 pm

Rob Gershon‏ @Simplicitly Jul 29
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Replying to @GiselaStuart @BrexitCentral
You won, get over it.

As such it's your brexit, not mine. You are wholly responsible for the enormous damage it is already causing, not me.