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Morning all.

After a weekend away I've finally caught up with the ST and the attempt to use it as a stick to beat the Labour Party with amongst others.

Keep posting the good information and sharing the excellent links.

Right. Time for a coffee.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... march-2017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Homelessness, Wales: financial year ending March 2017
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Not a brilliant piece or one that I entirely agree with it, but it does cover a point I have issues with (on the democratic nature of the referendum).
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.nl/2017/07 ... cracy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I personally think an important part of democracy is that politicians do not base campaigns on complete lies, and that knowledge, evidence, facts and expertise are respected and are easily accessible to all voters. Otherwise elections can be won by those who tell the biggest lies. If this happens and is not remedied democracy is a sham. As I noted here, lies were central to the Leave campaign (more money for the NHS, Turkey about to join the EU) and have already been shown to be untrue, while the central plank of the Remain campaign (dubbed Project Fear by Leave) has already come to pass. Polls suggest the Leave lies gained them votes. Only one side in the campaign spent a large amount of time dismissing or denigrating academic expertise (be it economists or lawyers).
I know it's tired ground, but it resonates with my feeling of disquiet.
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"The Daily Mail’s current witch hunt is spreading like wildfire and it’s terrifying "
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Tory Government promising jam tomorrow when action is needed today to tackle the staffing crisis in mental health - Keeley


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tinyclanger2 wrote:Not a brilliant piece or one that I entirely agree with it, but it does cover a point I have issues with (on the democratic nature of the referendum).
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.nl/2017/07 ... cracy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I personally think an important part of democracy is that politicians do not base campaigns on complete lies, and that knowledge, evidence, facts and expertise are respected and are easily accessible to all voters. Otherwise elections can be won by those who tell the biggest lies. If this happens and is not remedied democracy is a sham. As I noted here, lies were central to the Leave campaign (more money for the NHS, Turkey about to join the EU) and have already been shown to be untrue, while the central plank of the Remain campaign (dubbed Project Fear by Leave) has already come to pass. Polls suggest the Leave lies gained them votes. Only one side in the campaign spent a large amount of time dismissing or denigrating academic expertise (be it economists or lawyers).
I know it's tired ground, but it resonates with my feeling of disquiet.
David Allen Green says a referendum result can either be irreversible or democratic but not both.
http://jackofkent.com/2017/07/a-mandate ... -argument/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I came across a tweet saying
The uptick in anger & volume among prominent Leavers in the last week makes me think that they are beginning to think Brexit won't happen
and it made me wonder if we're heading towards a bizarre situation where remainers are certain we're leaving the EU and leavers are equally certain we're not.

Although it makes perfect sense in one way, if we end up with something like Norway, remainers will think we've left and leavers will think we haven't. If you didn't laugh, you'd cry.

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From gilsey's link above
Can an electorate at one point in time bind all future electorates in a way that no parliament could ever do? Why should a majority at point A have more inherent power than an electorate at point B? These questions all point to one plausible answer: to say a referendum result is mandatory for all time and not reversible in any circumstances is to rob future electorates of their power.
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gilsey wrote:and it made me wonder if we're heading towards a bizarre situation where remainers are certain we're leaving the EU and leavers are equally certain we're not.
I suspect that that might be the case. And, for added absurdity, its seems that much of the alleged support for leaving comes from remainers who believe reversing the referendum would be undemocratic and just want it 'over and done with'.

Like that's going to happen.
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(As a side note, no Brexiteer – rightly – seems to believe that the UK was bound for all time by the 1975 referendum result.)
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Can we reverse/expunge the result of the '73 FACUP Final (made worse by brother-In-law's regular reminders)?
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Even calls his dog Porterfield.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brexit-startin ... ht-1632761" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brexit: The starting gun for key European Union agencies to leave London fires at midnight
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'Sulphuric acid and hydrochloric acid are included on a separate list of “reportable substances” that do not require a licence.'

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HindleA wrote:Can we reverse/expunge the result of the '73 FACUP Final (made worse by brother-In-law's regular reminders)?
No :P

That's the first football match I can properly remember, not a bad beginning all told. Though others are entitled to disagree.
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tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brexit-startin ... ht-1632761
Brexit: The starting gun for key European Union agencies to leave London fires at midnight
Leave voters may be fretting that Brexit isn't going to happen, but I'm not sensing similar doubts from the rest of the EU:
Within months of the UK's Brexit referendum last June, 23 out of 27 eligible countries in the bloc had expressed an interest in hosting the EMA.

Countries such as the Netherlands, Ireland and Denmark have hosted events in Brussels to present their bids.
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Fair enough,I'll just have to put up the framed picture of Stokoe's celebration on pitch as a birthday present etc :)
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Yougov's poll today asked for opinions on Brexit: whether it was right/wrong & whether that opinion had changed from the way originally voted.
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http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture ... -1-5128867" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But, as is the way with political lies these days, nobody retracted the statement, and Farage’s supporters attacked any pressure for him to do so. Unveiling it as an untruth changed nothing.

In previous decades, politicians might evade or spin to their advantage - of course they did. But they tended to stay away from bold statements that could easily be disproved. What has changed about how we view lies and those who are caught out using them, and what is that doing to our political opinions today?
...
Our first defence against being taken in by any of these untruths, says Meyer, is to know what we are hungry to hear and to guard against it.
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Afternoon all. Morning spent returning some library books in town for my better half.

No.10 announcement on free movement completely without meaning

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/07 ... hout-meani
In other words, freedom of movement would continue after March 2019 and all the way through the transition period, which might last three years but could in reality go on much longer. "We've been clear that it will be some time before we are able to introduce full migration controls between the UK and the European Union," Hammond confirmed.
You can see why the attention is on Diane Abbott, JK Rowling, Labour and antisemitism...anything but facing up to the mess we're currently in.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Afternoon all. Morning spent returning some library books in town for my better half.

No.10 announcement on free movement completely without meaning

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/07 ... hout-meani
In other words, freedom of movement would continue after March 2019 and all the way through the transition period, which might last three years but could in reality go on much longer. "We've been clear that it will be some time before we are able to introduce full migration controls between the UK and the European Union," Hammond confirmed.
You can see why the attention is on Diane Abbott, JK Rowling, Labour and antisemitism...anything but facing up to the mess we're currently in.
Has to be admitted she made a bit of a fool of herself the other day, mind.
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http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-sto ... -1-5128907" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Oh Owen Jones! You can hate Brexit and still love democracy
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As in: "We've been clear that we think that if we say 'we're clear' often enough, people will believe we know what we're doing"?
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I need a holiday.
But not like last year's holiday.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote: Has to be admitted she made a bit of a fool of herself the other day, mind.
True but it's silly season stuff. hardly worth the amount of people piling in on it.
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tinyclanger2 wrote:As in: "We've been clear that we think that if we say 'we're clear' often enough, people will believe we know what we're doing"?
I'm sad enough to have counted the number of times Andrew Mitchell said, in a very short interview the other day, "let's be clear" (or variations of the same, but all involving the word "clear").

Anyway - seven.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/keeping-kids-company" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keeping Kids Company


Intention to commence company director disqualification proceedings advised.

The proceedings will name all nine former directors; Sunetra Devi Atkinson, Erica Jane Bolton, Richard Gordonn Handover, Vincent Gerald O’Brien, Francesca Mary Robinson, Jane Tyler, Andrew Webster and Alan Yentob. The former chief executive Camila Batmanghelidjh was not formally a director at the time the charity collapsed, however the proceedings will allege that she acted as a de facto director and should therefore also be disqualified from running or controlling other companies.
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HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/keeping-kids-company

Keeping Kids Company


Intention to commence company director disqualification proceedings advised.

The proceedings will name all nine former directors; Sunetra Devi Atkinson, Erica Jane Bolton, Richard Gordonn Handover, Vincent Gerald O’Brien, Francesca Mary Robinson, Jane Tyler, Andrew Webster and Alan Yentob. The former chief executive Camila Batmanghelidjh was not formally a director at the time the charity collapsed, however the proceedings will allege that she acted as a de facto director and should therefore also be disqualified from running or controlling other companies.
Hardly a surprise.

Did we ever find out what happened to the £m they were given just days before the collapse? I'm assuming the Cabinet Office want to keep quiet about that one...
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Being a free School means that you can be innovative with the curriculum and don't have to stick to that clearly inadequate National Curriculum...oh...

Free school that omits arts and humanities rated ‘inadequate’

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/free-school-t ... nadequate/
A free school in Newcastle that does not teach humanities, arts or foreign languages has been branded ‘inadequate’ by Ofsted in its first inspection.

The education watchdog singled out the “unacceptable” absence of subjects at Discovery School, which also omits physical education, in its report from an inspection conducted in May.

“The curriculum is failing to meet pupils’ needs and does not prepare them for life in modern Britain,” it said.
Funny that Tobes is never around to comment on these...
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tinyclanger2 wrote:From gilsey's link above
Can an electorate at one point in time bind all future electorates in a way that no parliament could ever do? Why should a majority at point A have more inherent power than an electorate at point B? These questions all point to one plausible answer: to say a referendum result is mandatory for all time and not reversible in any circumstances is to rob future electorates of their power.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Being a free School means that you can be innovative with the curriculum and don't have to stick to that clearly inadequate National Curriculum...oh...

Free school that omits arts and humanities rated ‘inadequate’

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/free-school-t ... nadequate/---
(cJA edit)
"...also omits physical education."
What did they teach?
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Being a free School means that you can be innovative with the curriculum and don't have to stick to that clearly inadequate National Curriculum...oh...

Free school that omits arts and humanities rated ‘inadequate’

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/free-school-t ... nadequate/
A free school in Newcastle that does not teach humanities, arts or foreign languages has been branded ‘inadequate’ by Ofsted in its first inspection.

The education watchdog singled out the “unacceptable” absence of subjects at Discovery School, which also omits physical education, in its report from an inspection conducted in May.

“The curriculum is failing to meet pupils’ needs and does not prepare them for life in modern Britain,” it said.












Funny that Tobes is never around to comment on these...

What's actually on the curriculum?


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@citizenJA

Snap!
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RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: Has to be admitted she made a bit of a fool of herself the other day, mind.
True but it's silly season stuff. hardly worth the amount of people piling in on it.
True enough too. I'm still a bit annoyed at how she behaved pre-GE tbph.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: Has to be admitted she made a bit of a fool of herself the other day, mind.
True but it's silly season stuff. hardly worth the amount of people piling in on it.
True enough too. I'm still a bit annoyed at how she behaved pre-GE tbph.
Yes, she could do with a bit of OwenSmithitis.
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No school, no matter how focused on STEM subjects should ever disparage or forget the need to balance with the humanities and creative subjects - and also vice versa (which is far too common as well, if you look at the scientific aptitude of most politicians and 'celebrities')

The importance of history, art and all those other subjects cannot be underestimated - and it also upsets me that the English system tries to specialise too early - I did okay by having a school that promoted doing upwards of 10 O Levels to maintain this breadth of knowledge but I had to specialise at 16 - and I was always going to focus on chemistry so it meant that I had drop my real 'true love' history to be able to do that

Mind you since then I have had the opportunity to become fluent in a second language thanks to being dropped headfirst into a French-speaking region, and I would also encourage all kids to try to become at least moderately bilingual as a help for them to understand the differences between cultures

Education was my route to personal fulfilment and education is what helps us to become what we are. I find, often, it is not lack of intelligence or capability that holds people back just their education and confidence

It is why I am happy to support free tuition fees (or a token contribution) and would go even further......a well-educated society will help us to avoid the manipulation of those who have ulterior motives and who base their values on lies!
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howsillyofme1 wrote:---...a well-educated society will help us to avoid the manipulation of those who have ulterior motives and who base their values on lies!
(cJA edit)
I liked your whole post, it's good.
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I hope this article is somewhat premature, but there is certainly a ring of truth to it:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rump-world" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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That's a good piece from Mason. The fact he mentions Venezuela's government disparagingly will no doubt surprise some who like to stereotype.
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Oops.

Trump Removes Anthony Scaramucci From Communications Director Role


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/p ... house.html

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Child and WTC 14/15 stats
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