Wednesday 9th August 2017

Post by **refitman** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 7:11 am

Morning all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 9:05 am

Good-morning, everyone

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 9:10 am

Good morfternoon.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 9:37 am

Faith No More
"We Care A Lot"

We care a lot about disasters, fires, floods and killer bees
We care a lot about the NASA shuttle falling in the sea
We care a lot about starvation and the food that Live Aid bought
We care a lot about disease, baby Rock, Hudson, rock, yeah!

We care a lot about the gamblers and the pushers and the geeks

We care a lot about the crack and smack and whack that hits the street
We care a lot about the welfare of all the boys and girls
We care a lot about you people cause we're out to save the world

YEAH!

And it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it

We care a lot about the army navy air force and marines
We care a lot about the SF, NY and LAPD
We care a lot about you people, about your guns
about the wars you're fighting gee that looks like fun

We care a lot about the Garbage Pail Kids, they never lie
We care a lot about Transformers cause there's more than meets the eye

We care a lot about the little things, the bigger things we top
We care a lot about you people yeah you bet we care a lot,

YEAH!

Well, its a dirty job but someone's gotta do it
And it's a dirty song but someone's gotta sing it

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 9:44 am

we got 24/7 goodwill coverage by left-wing leaders and other Labour peoples

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 10:38 am

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_59849 ... mg00000004" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Credit Crunch Anniversary: Why British Pay Is A 'Long Way' From Recovering And How Brexit Is Making It Worse
'The bills are going up and our income’s going down.'

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 10:57 am

Twitter thread on why hard Brexit fans should be worried:

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 10:58 am

Jonny Morris @jonnymorris1973
Thing I don't understand about Brexit. Govt says we're leaving the EU, single market, free movement area etc in April 2019. 20 months away.
9:45 am · 8 Aug 2017

Jonny Morris @jonnymorris1973
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8 Aug
Replying to @jonnymorris1973
But if that's happening, why isn't Dover a big building site? We will need to massively increase customs capacity to check stuff in & out.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 10:59 am

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... issue.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Real wages are mainly a macro issue

Wren-Lewis

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 11:33 am

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 11:33 am

Guam been nuked yet?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 11:34 am

https://landlordnews.co.uk/local-author ... -property/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Local Authorities Already have Enough Power to Tackle Substandard Property, Housing Minister Insists

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 11:46 am

HindleA wrote:https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... issue.html

Real wages are mainly a macro issue

Wren-Lewis

"As I always try and stress, real GDP growth per head is not a good guide to real income growth if the price of imported goods rise or the price of UK goods sold overseas falls (what economists call a decline in the UK’s terms of trade).

Real wage growth in the UK has not been lousy because of lack of union power, immigrants or higher profits, but because economic growth (properly measured) has been stagnant, austerity included raising indirect taxes and we have now had two large depreciations in sterling."

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 11:59 am

The Bank of England has warned that the task of regulating the City after Brexit will put a strain on its ability to police the financial sector. Deputy governor Sam Woods also said the Bank’s regulatory arm, the Prudential Regulation Authority [PRA], faced “a material risk to its objectives” – which include promoting financial stability – as it deals with the UK’s exit from the EU.

- Bank of England warns Brexit will put strain on regulatory resources
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -resources" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Awful in and of itself

The Bank’s regulatory arm, the Prudential Regulation Authority (PRA)... is funded by the firms it regulates...

Is that wise?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 12:03 pm

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... ST-PN-0560" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Migrants and Housing

Understanding the impact of migration on housing is difficult, in part due to different definitions and statistics on migrants. However, there is general consensus that any impacts are complex and indirect.

About a fifth of migrants live in social rented accommodation, similar to the UK-born population. There is no evidence that social housing allocation favours migrants.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 12:14 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/09/polit ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 12:19 pm

http://tomdlondon.blogspot.co.uk/2017/0 ... l?spref=tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Six facts the commentators ignored when they wrote Corbyn off

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 12:21 pm

Re my above post, today's Daily Mash has it spot on. Unfortunately.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 12:32 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40870977" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Crocodile Lemmysuchus named after Motorhead's Lemmy

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 12:32 pm

HindleA wrote:http://tomdlondon.blogspot.co.uk/2017/0 ... l?spref=tw

Six facts the commentators ignored when they wrote Corbyn off

The crap Corbyn has lately been subjected to regarding a South American country's turmoil is absurd.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 12:34 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1500 ... -confirmed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

News story
1,500 extra medical undergraduate places confirmed

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... -education" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 12:48 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... s#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If social housing is precious, tenancies should be time-limited

Fuck off.

(Granted not the most well argued response.)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 1:18 pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fint ... 9?mode=amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But – from an Irish perspective – this changes everything. Under article 50, it is indeed possible for the member state that is exiting to seek to extend the remit of the EU treaties beyond the stipulated two years.

This is what a transitional period would have to mean.

But – and here’s the rub – this can be done only with the unanimous consent of every other member state. In other words, Ireland has a veto.

We can now block the implementation of a transitional deal even if Germany and France and every other member state wants it to happen. The chaotic foolishness of the Brexiteers has, to coin a phrase, allowed us to take back control.

Theresa May took only 9 months for preparation before triggering article 50 when she could have taken longer and probably should have but, depressingly, not only did she not give herself much time, she doesn't even seem to have used the time she did have for any prep at all. Meanwhile, the rest of the EU seem to know exactly what they want and the best way to go about getting it.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 1:28 pm

Graham Jones MP announces himself on Twitter as someone who is "fed up with political stupidity".

But he appears to have missed that Russia has been a capitalist country for the last quarter of a century.

Is this what is known as a "self-own"?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 1:46 pm

Enough is that necessary room really necessary bollox as it is.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 1:48 pm

My home has agreed to self destruct on my demise to save any arguments.That's if I don't get there first.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 1:55 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Graham Jones MP announces himself on Twitter as someone who is "fed up with political stupidity".

But he appears to have missed that Russia has been a capitalist country for the last quarter of a century.

Is this what is known as a "self-own"?

He missed China too.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 2:03 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Graham Jones MP announces himself on Twitter as someone who is "fed up with political stupidity".

But he appears to have missed that Russia has been a capitalist country for the last quarter of a century.

Is this what is known as a "self-own"?
He missed China too.

Well yes, but they are still officially "communist" so the likes of him would hide behind that.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 2:14 pm

Deleted,repeat.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 2:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Guam been nuked yet?

Well, Rex Tillerson has just arrived there. Not sure if that answers your question, though.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 2:37 pm

Always think of a C/W singer.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 2:43 pm

HindleA wrote:Always think of a C/W singer.

I always think of the Tiller Girls.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 2:50 pm

So we differ on Corbyn's statement on Venezuela. Fair enough, we move on. But is it too much for us ask for a bit of control over the frontbench? This fool has popped up, fresh from undermining the Grenfell judge.

“It is perhaps understandable that Labour’s political enemies are using Venezuela’s difficulties to make mischief, but it is frustrating to see the dwindling band of New Labour neocons doing likewise. They conveniently ignore the history and the extreme violence of the right-wing opposition groups,” he wrote in the left-wing newspaper the Morning Star.

Nope, we're not "New Labour" or "neocons", Chris. We're mainstream Labour internationalists and institutionalists.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 3:00 pm

And we really don't like nationalist demagogue goons. In Britain, America, Hungary, Poland, France or Venezuela.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 3:09 pm

Williamson isn't helping people, country or the Labour party with his criticisms
I'm a Labour party member and voter
If there's disagreement, we'll talk with each other about it in an appropriate, professional manner

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 3:41 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... n-bettison" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hillsborough: five men appear in court on criminal charges

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 4:00 pm

Heck. He's going up in my estimation.

Matt Hancock‏Verified account
@MattHancock
Thank you @wmarybeard for being such a wonderful public intellectual. You're brave, scholarly & make it real. Now off to bed with SPQR

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 4:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Guam been nuked yet?

The Governor of Guam can swap places with POTUS, as far as I'm concerned.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 4:33 pm

Talking about national demagogue buffoons, Jacob Zuma has a few problems.

He's even had Norman Lamont quoted at him by The Times. "In office but not in power".

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 4:52 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Heck. He's going up in my estimation.

Matt Hancock‏Verified account
@MattHancock
Thank you @wmarybeard for being such a wonderful public intellectual. You're brave, scholarly & make it real. Now off to bed with SPQR

Don't know whether you've seen this but in his exchanges with Mary Beard, Taleb comes across as a bit of a knob.

And this...

I am certain that had I called Mary Beard “Professor Doctor Beard”, they would have found something else that was “chauvinist”, perhaps the length of my sentences, etc.

is just plain ignorant - no academic would ever be called "Professor Dr" - one or the other, never both together.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 4:53 pm

'Er indoors has been kept in overnight unfortunately - too much fluid to do a biopsy so (another) chest drain being done as we speak - biopsy tomorrow I guess.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 5:14 pm

Williamson is the leadership's licensed troll, most parties have one. My advice with all of them is not to let yourself get wound up too much.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 5:18 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Williamson is the leadership's licensed troll, most parties have one. My advice with all of them is not to let yourself get wound up too much.

Do they?

Who was Milibands?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 5:36 pm

In other news, I see the "shiny new centrist party" thing is getting floated again - though, mildly interestingly, from a centre-right source this time.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 5:43 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:In other news, I see the "shiny new centrist party" thing is getting floated again - though, mildly interestingly, from a centre-right source this time.

One enjoying biting the hand that used to feed him, and building a new phase of his media career. But he says some good stuff about Brexit.

I wish I were more confident, but I think Corbyn will choose the jobs and the energetic young Europhiles over nationalists (Bennites and, even worse, Caroline Flint). It might be a new Blue Labour party that gets started.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 5:51 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Heck. He's going up in my estimation.

Matt Hancock‏Verified account
@MattHancock
Thank you @wmarybeard for being such a wonderful public intellectual. You're brave, scholarly & make it real. Now off to bed with SPQR
Don't know whether you've seen this but in his exchanges with Mary Beard, Taleb comes across as a bit of a knob.

And this...

I am certain that had I called Mary Beard “Professor Doctor Beard”, they would have found something else that was “chauvinist”, perhaps the length of my sentences, etc.
is just plain ignorant - no academic would ever be called "Professor Dr" - one or the other, never both together.

Yeah, I saw it a couple of days ago. Taleb was appalling, and had in the first place joined the discussion to back up Infowars idiot Paul Watson. I mean, if you even saw the rest of the BBC Roman cartoons you'd not think that "typical" Roman families were sub-Saharan black. I assume whoever put the "typical family" comment up was meaning the family were doing typical things. Beard, of course, never said typical and distanced herself. I might have drawn the man (based loosely on a real Algerian) a bit lighter, but so what?

I wasted hours on Nick Cohen's defence of Beard, talking to loons. I didn't get the obvious multiculturalist BBC plot. How does it work? "Let's slip this black guy into an obscure cartoon, but have Nigel Farage spouting rubbish unchallenged on prime time as camouflage?"

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 5:53 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Williamson is the leadership's licensed troll, most parties have one. My advice with all of them is not to let yourself get wound up too much.

I think you often get people who "shoot from the hip", "speak from the heart" and all that. Williamson seems worse, but Corbyn did quickly slap him down with the Grenfell stuff. You're probably right that I worry too much about him.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 5:55 pm

Re Trump, I liked this off another board.

Are you suggesting that the wise founding fathers don't have this covered? Just ask Clarence Thomas or Neil Gorsuch about the oft overlooked casino-owner-inadvertently-declaring-nuclear-war-on-Asian-country-from-golf-course-clubhouse clause. It's all in there.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 5:57 pm

https://www.conservativehome.com/thecol ... tives.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Alex Morton: A modest proposal. Quotas to help another disadvantaged minority – Conservatives."

Given that the Conservatives gained 42 per cent of the voting electorate at the last election, and probably a higher proportion of BBC viewers and listeners who vote, I have a modest proposal. All broadcast comedy shows should have at least one Conservative comedian.

Scary article, fairly sure it's serious, but am beginning to question my ability to tell.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 09 Aug, 2017 7:05 pm

It appears that Ellie Mae O'Hagan has deleted her Twitter (hopefully temporarily) after being relentlessly messaged by a distinctly creepy stalker. Male, obviously.

This sort of thing is happening far too much.