Saturday 12th & Sunday 13th August 2017

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 12 Aug, 2017 10:07 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Post by **refitman** » Sat 12 Aug, 2017 10:10 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Didn't expect that - in more than one sense.

Shame for Bolt. Good race by GB.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 12 Aug, 2017 11:02 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... am-hussein" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 used by UK to boost weapon sales
Thatcher government saw war on Saddam as an ‘unparalleled opportunity’ to sell arms, declassified secret memos reveal

Post by **adam** » Sat 12 Aug, 2017 11:59 pm

Been on holiday for a week. Do I need to read the last week in order to understand any new crucial in-jokes and so on?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:05 am

adam wrote:Been on holiday for a week. Do I need to read the last week in order to understand any new crucial in-jokes and so on?

Hello. Hope you had a good time. If there are any crucial in-jokes, then I'm not in on them!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:27 am

Night night.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 8:23 am

A condemnation of racism and bigotry "from all sides*"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... many-sides" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Remind you of anyone?

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 8:33 am

SpinningHugo wrote:A condemnation of racism and bigotry "from all sides*"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... many-sides" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Remind you of anyone?

Do yo really think they are the same ?

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 8:35 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:A condemnation of racism and bigotry "from all sides*"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... many-sides" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Remind you of anyone?
Do yo really think they are the same ?

No.

I think the offensive rhetorical device is the same.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 8:52 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:A condemnation of racism and bigotry "from all sides*"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... many-sides" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Remind you of anyone?
Do yo really think they are the same ?
No.

I think the offensive rhetorical device is the same.

Don't worry Tubby will be along to back you up in a bit and we can look forward another day of a thread dominated by Jeremy Corbyn even when he hasn't done much at all to warrant such

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 8:55 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:

Don't worry Tubby will be along to back you up in a bit and we can look forward another day of a thread dominated by Jeremy Corbyn even when he hasn't done much at all to warrant such

Strong argument, well made.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 8:57 am

I am not going to argue on such a patently daft comment....better things to do and none of this should be about Corbyn

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 9:38 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gal ... -18#img-18" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Flares and Fury: the Battle of Lewisham 1977 – in pictures

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 9:57 am

Found something that doesn't mention Corbyn.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... s-the-dogs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:02 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ap-growing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Health inequality gap ‘is still growing’ in England, new Department of Health data shows

Was narrowing of course.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:19 am

Wonder if Paul or anybody else saw anything.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:23 am

Looking forward to giving Farah some tips on road running,he's done I few but I am sure he would be grateful.Try and finish before they remove the finish line and everybody has gone home,that sort of thing.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:28 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gal ... -18#img-18

Flares and Fury: the Battle of Lewisham 1977 – in pictures

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/ ... race-riot/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Rediscovered video casts new light on forgotten ‘Battle of Lewisham’ to halt National Front

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:30 am

HindleA wrote:Wonder if Paul or anybody else saw anything.

Meteors?
It rained all day here yesterday and it was still cloudy at midnight, so no joy for us.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:37 am

"Oggie,oggie,oggie-oi oi oi,oggie-oi,oggie-oi,oggie oggie oggie-oi,oi,oi",in that order,he may be unfamiliar with the etiquette.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:40 am

Yeah,I didn't notice anything.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:42 am

Apart from some bloke on a hill.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:45 am

HindleA wrote:Apart from some bloke on a hill.

Yes we saw quite a lot of Perseids, both from the top of Holme Moss where there were small crowds and from our back garden. Good stuff

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:51 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:

Don't worry Tubby will be along to back you up in a bit and we can look forward another day of a thread dominated by Jeremy Corbyn even when he hasn't done much at all to warrant such
Strong argument, well made.

Yes it is, on both counts.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:52 am

@Paul good.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 10:54 am

Agree

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:00 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... 3-per-cent" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ambulance call-outs for mental health patients in England soar by 23%

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:05 am

Cuts have offset increased costs (not to say harmful,of course) consequences,shock.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:09 am

An enjoyable read and strong words from John Prescott in the Mirror

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/j ... 976707.amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'Venezuela used as another stick to beat Jeremy Corbyn but he will survive regime change call'

None of these 'Bitterite' MPs have raised the issue of Venezuela in the House of Commons before

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:28 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40909057" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:30 am

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... iversities" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wrong A-level choices prevent poorer students gaining elite university places

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:34 am

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gree ... -motorways" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

News story
Green light for driving lessons on motorways

Took driving lessons some years ago,I think my instructor is still in therapy.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:36 am

Thinking like a pedestrian eg.red light at traffic lights means go,that sort of thing.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:46 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... iversities

Wrong A-level choices prevent poorer students gaining elite university places

This is quite believable IMO.

There is good evidence too that if those poorer students are BME they are less likely to get an offer (controlling for everything else).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:47 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:An enjoyable read and strong words from John Prescott in the Mirror

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/j ... 976707.amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'Venezuela used as another stick to beat Jeremy Corbyn but he will survive regime change call'

None of these 'Bitterite' MPs have raised the issue of Venezuela in the House of Commons before

I mean, they could make it a bit less obvious couldn't they?

The revelation we have been selling stuff to Maduro must surely kill this one off, though. A thoroughly dishonest attack made in bad faith. Yet again.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:49 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.
Your comment has more in common with Trump's than Corbyn's does.

I *do* hope you'll remember what false equivalence means the next time someone condemns all the atrocities in Syria committed by anyone, all side in Ukraine, all racism from whatever source, and all the violence by anyone in Venezuela.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:52 am

Not sure these words are well chosen, or the venue in which they have been expressed

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Such bracing honesty no doubt plays well on the pages of the Sun.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:59 am

I like Champion, but do think she has mis-stepped a bit here (though I also fully understand why)

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:02 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:An enjoyable read and strong words from John Prescott in the Mirror

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/j ... 976707.amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'Venezuela used as another stick to beat Jeremy Corbyn but he will survive regime change call'

None of these 'Bitterite' MPs have raised the issue of Venezuela in the House of Commons before
I mean, they could make it a bit less obvious couldn't they?

The revelation we have been selling stuff to Maduro must surely kill this one off, though. A thoroughly dishonest attack made in bad faith. Yet again.

1) Selling stuff to Maduro is a very bad thing.

2. Supporting Maduro, and then refusing to condemn him, is a bad thing.

3. Saudi Arabia is an appalling regime (of no relevance to the crimes now being committed by the government of Venezuela.)

Again, you seem to think that condemning Corbyn et al for their moral blindness on Venezuela means endorsing the Tories. A very odd "sport" view of politics. Condemn them both.

As I said at the time, I am not that fussed by Corbyn's predictable views on Venezuela, more amused by his refusal to specifically condemn the government that he has supported. So typical of his inability to criticise any wrongdoing by his 'side'. It is characteristic.

I'm glad I didn't vote for a party led by such a man.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:19 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
1) Selling stuff to Maduro is a very bad thing.

2. Supporting Maduro, and then refusing to condemn him, is a bad thing.

3. Saudi Arabia is an appalling regime (of no relevance to the crimes now being committed by the government of Venezuela.)

Again, you seem to think that condemning Corbyn et al for their moral blindness on Venezuela means endorsing the Tories. A very odd "sport" view of politics. Condemn them both.

As I said at the time, I am not that fussed by Corbyn's predictable views on Venezuela, more amused by his refusal to specifically condemn the government that he has supported. So typical of his inability to criticise any wrongdoing by his 'side'. It is characteristic.

I'm glad I didn't vote for a party led by such a man.

I'm sure the feeling is mutual

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:21 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08 ... hmrc-late/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nearly one million innocent people wrongly chased by HMRC for late tax

Not surprised,given reappearance of HMRC employer related stuff when the "business ceased trading over two years ago.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:24 pm

I'm glad that I didn't facillate the continuance of an extreme right wing government by such diligence,myself.I suppose it depends on your perspective.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:27 pm

I condemn all those that say their the same.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:28 pm

SH voted for the Greens instead, a party with a not dissimilar worldview to Corbyn on much of this stuff.

discordantharmony · Post by **discordantharmony** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:33 pm

Good Afternoon HindleA et al.

But their is not the same as they're, so there........

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:36 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rror-fight" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Britain ‘falling behind’ on counter-terrorism as EU links loosened

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:37 pm

@DH

True

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:41 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... m-gladwell" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why I run by Malcolm Gladwell, Denise Lewis, Sadiq Khan and more

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:44 pm

Jelly babies,pure and simple.Though originally for a mars bar.

PTO

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 12:53 pm

I hadn't mentioned Iceland much but when I noticed Daniel Hannan had talked it up recklessly, I thought he (as an influential politician) ought to be held to account when it collapsed. Do I not like Hannan at all? I don't but that isn't the point. I see no difference with Corbyn and Venezuela really, except that I prefer him to Hannan.

Corbyn did "all sides" too much but there was strong and specific criticism of Maduro. Trump was far far worse, not least because his influence is much more direct.