FlyTheNest

Nice illustration of why, on the most important issue in our collective lifetimes, we have no oppostion

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s ... 71f69cd4ec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At least not from the main party. Vote elsewhere.

SpinningHugo wrote:Nice illustration of why, on the most important issue in our collective lifetimes, we have no oppostion

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s ... 71f69cd4ec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At least not from the main party. Vote elsewhere.

This isn't a campaign website it's a Forum.

Thanks.

Much Much Much more importantly, the government - who are all but certainly going to be in power through this clusterfuck and out the other side haven't changed their view that they can get everything they want without giving anything away.

Without wanting to revive something that's gone silent, I would estimate that upwards of 98% of the population do not give a fuck, in any way whatsoever, about Venezuela and the only people talking about it are those wanting to harm the labour leadership.

There is no country outside the EU (apart from Andorra and San Marino and I don't think they really are similar) that are part of the Customs Union.

We could just say we are staying in or we could say we are going to negotiate what the relationship will be when taken in relation to everything else

To be honest the EU are not ready for this stage of the negotiation yet as seen by their response.

The 'if you are in Government' question is crap and means nothing

If the Tories want to know what Labour would do then step aside and they will find out

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:Nice illustration of why, on the most important issue in our collective lifetimes, we have no oppostion

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s ... 71f69cd4ec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At least not from the main party. Vote elsewhere.

This isn't a campaign website it's a Forum.

Thanks.

Absolutely.

Campaign websites are much more cosy. People reinforcing each other's prejudices by saying things that everyone already agrees with. Day after day.

Lucky this board isn't like that.

howsillyofme1 wrote:To be honest the EU are not ready for this stage of the negotiation yet as seen by their response.

They seem very very prepared indeed. What they're not ready for is a UK government that hasn't come to terms with what their own decision to leave actually means, but nobody could. You can only say 'there is no prospect of what you want actually happening' so many times before everything completely breaks down.

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Queen Elizabeth makes debut in Portsmouth

In EFL trophy tonight against Fulham U-21 k.o.at 19.45 for those interested.

Hopefully when there is a voting opportunity people turn up on the correct day (joke)

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1642470 ... -out-to-be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Labour calls for Universal Credit roll out to be halted: new evidence of the impact on working people

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What does respecting the referendum result mean?


Mainly macro

adam wrote:

howsillyofme1 wrote:To be honest the EU are not ready for this stage of the negotiation yet as seen by their response.

They seem very very prepared indeed. What they're not ready for is a UK government that hasn't come to terms with what their own decision to leave actually means, but nobody could. You can only say 'there is no prospect of what you want actually happening' so many times before everything completely breaks down.

I agree they are prepared which is why it is easy to knock down the idea but I meant to say that they are not interested in having any discussions on this matter yet - they have other more pressing questions

I am also of the view that the EU eill negoyiate with a serious partner to find a mutually acceptable deal - they are not just going to say 'Non' to everything

What they want though is that things are done to the agreed timetable and that their negotiating partners have something credible to discuss

The UK are failing on both vounts at the moment

https://www.theguardian.com/social-care ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Do we really need 200,000 more care home beds?
David Brindle


By simply equating care with care homes, there is a danger of shutting down debate about other forms of support for older people. We risk locking ourselves into a model too often found wanting by regulators and watchdogs.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... y-predicts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Productivity down again,second quarter.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... gy#history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



"Published revised 'Benefit sanction statistics: publication strategy'. Revised version includes information on the publication of statistics on durations and a point-in-time rate for ESA and Universal Credit. Also states medical conditions for ESA claimants with a sanction decision are hidden under Stat-Xplore."

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/08 ... -dog-s-bre" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1642476 ... ms-pay-cut" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... earch-area" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



MH370: satellite images show 'probably man-made' objects floating in sea
Drift analysis of debris reveals new coordinates for potential impact location

(Bloody hell,three and a half years ago)

Morning all.

Learndirect training contract withdrawn over standards concerns

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40946779

The government contract with one of the largest training companies in the UK, Learndirect, is to be gradually wound up over concerns about standards.

A damning Ofsted report will be published on Thursday after the company failed to block it in the courts.

The Department for Education has now announced it will withdraw all funding from the company by July 2018 and has stopped it taking on new apprentices.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Trains are too expensive. But transport’s real problem is subsidies for London
Wanda Wyporska

http://letsgoelsewhere.com/party-elsewhere/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh FFS,if they are that bothered have a rota system and shout bong through a megaphone or something.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... four-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Big Ben backlash: MPs to review plans to silence bell for four years

howsillyofme1 wrote: I agree they are prepared which is why it is easy to knock down the idea but I meant to say that they are not interested in having any discussions on this matter yet - they have other more pressing questions

I am also of the view that the EU eill negoyiate with a serious partner to find a mutually acceptable deal - they are not just going to say 'Non' to everything

What they want though is that things are done to the agreed timetable and that their negotiating partners have something credible to discuss

The UK are failing on both vounts at the moment

I agree with the first part of this but I think you understate how far the UK are from 'credible'. For one basic example, any 'version' of staying within the customs union is going to involved submitting to the jurisdiction of the ECJ, without question. The government's position is 'we want something exactly like what we have under the customs union' and 'We will be outside of the jurisdiction of the ECJ'. This is utterly absurd.

I said somewhere here before that the government / leave movement generally have made a rod for their back by conflating the ECJ with the ECHR in the public mind (not that I'm arguing against either, just to be clear) but our country's position seems to be 'we are going to have the benefits of these organisations and schemes and systems but we are not going to be bound by the regulation and enforcement mechanisms that oversee them.' This is also utterly absurd.

You are right when we say that the EU aren't going to discuss any of this until we've sorted out the initial three issues - payments, citizens' right and Ireland - which have been very clearly earmarked as an introductory phase all along, but if being outside of the jurisdiction of the ECJ is a government red line (and they have been very very clear so far that it is) we are offering nothing to discuss other than a rejection of our nonsense.

A piece on LearnDirect from a couple of days ago


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HindleA wrote:Oh FFS,if they are that bothered have a rota system and shout bong through a megaphone or something.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... four-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Big Ben backlash: MPs to review plans to silence bell for four years

Humphrys was on about this on Today - he said something like "Why can't they wear ear defenders as it says in the Mail".

Adam

Please don't underestimate my contempt for the Governments position on this

I think I agree with everything you have said about their lack of credibility

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https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... e-services" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Following the consultation, the government has decided to proceed with the proposals as set out in the consultation

(IE everybody thinks it will be a disaster,we are carrying on anyway)

"competitive tendering approach for the Housing Possession Court Duty Scheme which will consolidate the current number of schemes through joining courts allowing for larger and more sustainable contracts for providers.

Providers will offer their services at a price, without an administrative cap or floor, that reflects the costs of delivery in their local area and represents a fair market price for the work carried out whilst maintaining a quality service."

RogerOThornhill wrote:

HindleA wrote:Oh FFS,if they are that bothered have a rota system and shout bong through a megaphone or something.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... four-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Big Ben backlash: MPs to review plans to silence bell for four years

Humphrys was on about this on Today - he said something like "Why can't they wear ear defenders as it says in the Mail".

I've said this before - more than once - but WHY hasn't he been pensioned off??

Good morfternoon.

In her Irish News article, May said:

“No one voted to end the special ties between the UK and Ireland or to undermine the unique arrangements between Ireland and Northern Ireland which have underpinned the peace process and have been in place well before our membership of the EU,” she said. (Guardian)

Special insight on what people voted for (or didn't vote for) in the Referendum. Of course, anyone else who says, "No one voted for . . . " is wrong, undemocratic, un-British (un-UKish), etc etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rn-ireland

HindleA wrote: (IE everybody thinks it will be a disaster,we are carrying on anyway)

snafu

HindleA wrote:http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1642470 ... -out-to-be


Labour calls for Universal Credit roll out to be halted: new evidence of the impact on working people

Recently they were asking for it to be halted because Christmas.

Not sure why they can't just say it should be halted because it's a f***ing shambles.

HindleA wrote:https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... esult.html



What does respecting the referendum result mean?


Mainly macro

There's no space for the voices of sanity yet, see also Ian Dunt, but I do like this bit.

The parallels with the US are clear. The Republicans, after spending years denouncing Obamacare, found they could not produce anything better. Those promoting Leave also did so without any thought to how it might actually happen, and therefore they have nowhere to go when confronted with reality. As a result, the government invents a magical customs union so that Liam Fox can have something to do. I have never known a UK government look so pathetic.

gilsey wrote:

HindleA wrote:http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1642470 ... -out-to-be


Labour calls for Universal Credit roll out to be halted: new evidence of the impact on working people

Recently they were asking for it to be halted because Christmas.

Not sure why they can't just say it should be halted because it's a f***ing shambles.

Be grateful they don't still have Rachel Reeves (as the DWP shadow) actually supporting it.

Hi.

I'm sorry, I really am, but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST how is anyone still obsessed with Corbyn when this *thing* is Prime Minister?

Yes, she's finally broken her silence. Could it be Brexit? No. Could it be Nazis in America? Of course not:

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FUCK OFF WOMAN.

NonOxCol wrote:Hi.

I'm sorry, I really am, but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST how is anyone still obsessed with Corbyn when this *thing* is Prime Minister?

Yes, she's finally broken her silence. Could it be Brexit? No. Could it be Nazis in America? Of course not:

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FUCK OFF WOMAN.

Bigly.

NonOxCol wrote:Hi.

I'm sorry, I really am, but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST how is anyone still obsessed with Corbyn when this *thing* is Prime Minister?

Yes, she's finally broken her silence. Could it be Brexit? No. Could it be Nazis in America? Of course not:

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FUCK OFF WOMAN.

Just following Dacre's commands, as usual.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

NonOxCol wrote:Hi.

I'm sorry, I really am, but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST how is anyone still obsessed with Corbyn when this *thing* is Prime Minister?

Yes, she's finally broken her silence. Could it be Brexit? No. Could it be Nazis in America? Of course not:

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FUCK OFF WOMAN.

Just following Dacre's commands, as usual.

That just makes it worse. She learned absolutely *nothing* from what happened to her after a year of doing nothing but Dacre's bidding?

I'm just.... genuinely.... flabbergasted by her relentless tone deafness and complete unfitness for leadership. I think she's a wretch, a disgrace, a borderline monster and she needs to piss off for all eternity. I despise her almost as much as Cameron, after one sixth of the time. It's like she's some sort of Chris Morris media project.

Unbelievable.

We might as well be asking for border-\customs-free access to France (or any and all EU countries). What's the difference between such an arrangement and the one the Government is asking for with Ireland? Why won't they accept that this is the case?

Oh yes, and North Korea, of course. Another thing less important than Easter eggs and Big Ben.

NonOxCol wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

NonOxCol wrote:Hi.

I'm sorry, I really am, but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST how is anyone still obsessed with Corbyn when this *thing* is Prime Minister?

Yes, she's finally broken her silence. Could it be Brexit? No. Could it be Nazis in America? Of course not:

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FUCK OFF WOMAN.

Just following Dacre's commands, as usual.

That just makes it worse. She learned absolutely *nothing* from what happened to her after a year of doing nothing but Dacre's bidding?

My horrible suspicion is that she doesn't actually KNOW any other way of doing things.

I see Sarah Champion is one of the signatories to the letter criticising the Sun.

Unbelievable chutzpah.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
My horrible suspicion is that she doesn't actually KNOW any other way of doing things.

Like Humphrys, as noted earlier.

SpinningHugo wrote:I see Sarah Champion is one of the signatories to the letter criticising the Sun.

Unbelievable chutzpah.

I think "cognitive dissonance" is the technical term.

Afternoon

Brexit slowly being strangled by its own contradictions as can be seen in the quality of the proposals we have seen over the last few days

The Ireland border is going to be really really challenging to resolve unless one of the negotiating sides caves in on their demands

Labour should stay on the outside and let the Tories get on with it whilst pointing out the nonsense coming from the UK side

Hopefully we will see the whole thing collapse within a year and public opinion turn when they see the likely consequences

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Crunch time for Universal Credit


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I see that May finally got round to saying the far right aren't nice. Not before the likes of Mitt Romney and Sajid Javid had joined the ranks of the "alt-left", though.

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BMA responds to UK position paper on Ireland border

Inevitable by Champion. A terrible lapse of judgement. Again.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ey-reveals" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://reformjudaism.org/blog/2017/08/1 ... =Zimmerman" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo wrote:Inevitable by Champion. A terrible lapse of judgement. Again.

Actually I think she could have toughed it out had she wished - JC evidently wasn't willing to sack her.

But maybe that scumbag Kavanagh using her piece as justification for his unhinged hate screed made up her mind.

I expect, and hope, that she will return to the SC before too long.