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Although removing tariffs could result in job losses for the 8% of British workers in protected sectors, such as farming, the IEA said new roles could be created to offset the losses.

'Sick joke' to locate Redcar steelworks job in London, says Labour

MPs say role, which includes ‘occasional trips’ to Tees Valley, undermines government’s devolution pledge
(Guardian)

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

Horrible things happening in Spain. I simply cannot fathom out what must be going through the mind of someone that gets in a vehicle and drives into a crowd of people in order to kill and maim innocent people. There is no reason in the world that is justification for that.

Anyway, off to the library today. Will check in later.

NonOxCol wrote:

Do fuck off, Newsnight.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Hello, anyone there?

citizenJA wrote:I've not done more than look briefly at the latest horror in Spain.
I'm not suggesting the following with any levity, I'm serious.
I've been thinking about it since using motor vehicles became a weapon used for terrorism.

Get private motor vehicles off the road. Provide all people with a comprehensive, affordable (free, it'll pay for itself in reduced road fatalities, less pollution, less stress, greater enjoyment of public thoroughfares leading to less rage overall), reliable, safe, frequent, easy-to-use, global, public transportation system.

Please know I'm not about punitive confiscation of equipment currently providing many people with the only thing keeping them independent, able to live on their own (disabled people, for example).

We are nowhere near these systems in so many areas it’s just ludicrous to think we can exit the EU in April 2019.

But I think it may be worse than that. After forty years of being in the EU I think we may find that the demand of creating independently what was previously possible only because it was shared may be insurmountable, as well as being beyond the capacity of our economy because the costs will be so great.

I quite agree with your stance. It is important not to forget that no one expected us to vote for BREXIT so there was no planning for that eventuality at all – especially in a culture of austerity because in order to do BREXIT properly you are also going to have to invest in the resources to do it! With government machinery cut down to basics I just do not see it happening (unless of course the process is essentially privatised – a big worry).

Upon your recommendation I am reading ‘Democracy in Chains’ and in that book there is revealed some sort of plan to usurp democracy in the US – speaking objectively here now – the aims and objectives have been carefully thought through. This is the only good, admirable thing about the whole exercise – that Buchanan and others knew what they wanted to do and how they were going to go about it.

But here in the UK we have BREXIT which comes across as a farce that would be comical if it were not for the fact that so many people are going to be hurt by it.

The only way to deal with a malfunctioning political system is to change that political system. We have been laid low and made a laughing stock by the Tory party who have allowed a bar room brawl about the EU to spill over into our communities. And the FPTP system is the enabler of that.

So all progressives everywhere must think about supporting moves for PR in my view. A ground up demand for a more inclusive democracy is the only way forward to stop a bunch of privileged fools who think that they are socially superior to us from ruling over us as badly as this.

Think about it for a moment: we have a bunch of Neo-libs in Government (and Parliament for that matter) ………who actually do not believe or like the idea of there being a State (but worship established wealth). Is it any wonder they do things so badly? Never mind taking control back from the EU – we need to start that process with many of our mainstream politicians first. Proportional Representation maybe the remedy. We should go for it.

PorFavor wrote:

'Sick joke' to locate Redcar steelworks job in London, says Labour

MPs say role, which includes ‘occasional trips’ to Tees Valley, undermines government’s devolution pledge
(Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... oke-labour

HindleA wrote:#Frances Coppola


IEA paper: if no trade deal with EU, Brexit Britain should continue to trade with the EU on the same tariff-free basis as it currently does.
It can't do this. If no trade deal with the EU, Brexit Britain will export to the EU on the EU's WTO MFN basis - which is not tariff free.

gilsey wrote:Lots of good stuff including this quote...

So all progressives everywhere must think about supporting moves for PR in my view. A ground up demand for a more inclusive democracy is the only way forward to stop a bunch of privileged fools who think that they are socially superior to us from ruling over us as badly as this.

HindleA wrote:Tarquin being treated for shock,over sudden thunderstorm/lightening episode,fell over.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh dear, it seems that certain centrists aren't happy with being labelled centrists now - DESPITE CLAIMING THE LABEL FOR THEMSELVES JUST MONTHS AGO.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh dear, it seems that certain centrists aren't happy with being labelled centrists now - DESPITE CLAIMING THE LABEL FOR THEMSELVES JUST MONTHS AGO.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh dear, it seems that certain centrists aren't happy with being labelled centrists now - DESPITE CLAIMING THE LABEL FOR THEMSELVES JUST MONTHS AGO.

Jolyon Maugham's not happy with it. Feels it's being used for all sorts of people who don't support Corbyn.

In other news, it seems Steve Bannon is out.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh dear, it seems that certain centrists aren't happy with being labelled centrists now - DESPITE CLAIMING THE LABEL FOR THEMSELVES JUST MONTHS AGO.

Jolyon Maugham's not happy with it. Feels it's being used for all sorts of people who don't support Corbyn.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Maugham gets on well with at least some prominent Corbyn supporters, like Abi Wilkinson and Matt Zarb-Cousing, and has defended them from the sort of bonehead Labour right types that I think "centrist" is better applied to. Owen Jones for one seemed to have them in mind in that last article talking about how they ran out of ideas etc. You certainly can't say that of Maugham. He's full of ideas on tax alone. He's also strongly against the pensions triple lock and of course very anti-Brexit.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:I only wish more of these "centrists" were market obsessives. That would at least get us out of Hard Brexit. They're nationalists, which is much worse.

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Very sorry to see my friend Steve Bannon go. His political brain will be hard to replace.

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I can totally appreciate how Steve Bannon seems smart to you. This must be a confusing time, hun.

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Congratulations @iealondon on great coverage for your trade report