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Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 6:50 am
by HindleA
Morning

Re.Prime Minister Trump's speech on Aghaniran


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... n-pakistan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 8:29 am
by adam
Interesting take on new political arrangements by Hugh Muir in the guardian

Why did Boris Johnson blow £940m? Because the system let him
This is the age of the administrative monarch. We are encouraged to place power and trust in individuals of purported unparalleled wisdom, vision and probity. Mayors, metro mayors, police commissioners, superheads; we outsource to individuals, increasing their power in the belief they will get things done, unencumbered by faint hearts and red tape.

By this thinking, democratic checks and balances are a bother. There can, in this political calibration, be some light-touch monitoring, but the monarch must have all the power. True democracy can be such a millstone.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 8:44 am
by PorFavor
Good morfternoon.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 9:18 am
by HindleA
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/resp ... cse-grades" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Response to Daily Telegraph story on new GCSE grades


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/20 ... stem-will/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 9:20 am
by RogerOThornhill
Morning all.

Up at silly o'clock to accompany 'er indoors to the Royal London. No idea when her procedure is taking place so I'm playing a waiting game today.

I like this about yesterday's silliness.
Michael Spicer‏ @MrMichaelSpicer 23h23 hours ago
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I'm live-tweeting the last chimes of Big Ben. Sombre atmos. People here bravely going about their business like somehow it doesn't matter.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 9:35 am
by HindleA
European Investment Bank cuts off cash for British building projects due to Brexit


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/824e ... 7a3aea90d9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


"Public-sector beneficiaries of EIB funding said that the move could delay new projects and push up the cost of finance. Areas expected to be affected include offshore energy turbines and capital projects to fund schools, university buildings and hospitals. The bank is also the largest source of funding for housing association building programmes. Projects supported by the bank include the priority schools building programme, the northern powerhouse and Crossrail. The bank’s money is attractive because of the amount of money on offer for big projects and its rates of interest, which are often lower than government-backed loans. Its involvement can also attract additional private investmenf"

http://www.24housing.co.uk/news/brexit- ... l-housing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Brexit ‘cuts off’ cash for social housing

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 11:25 am
by AnatolyKasparov
adam wrote:Interesting take on new political arrangements by Hugh Muir in the guardian

Why did Boris Johnson blow £940m? Because the system let him
This is the age of the administrative monarch. We are encouraged to place power and trust in individuals of purported unparalleled wisdom, vision and probity. Mayors, metro mayors, police commissioners, superheads; we outsource to individuals, increasing their power in the belief they will get things done, unencumbered by faint hearts and red tape.

By this thinking, democratic checks and balances are a bother. There can, in this political calibration, be some light-touch monitoring, but the monarch must have all the power. True democracy can be such a millstone.
And this started some time ago - remember Blair's fondness for "tsars"??

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 11:26 am
by PorFavor
Good morfternoon.

God knows what's going on that we're not hearing about in this "don't spoon-feed the journalists" season.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 12:07 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

Up at silly o'clock to accompany 'er indoors to the Royal London. No idea when her procedure is taking place so I'm playing a waiting game today.

I like this about yesterday's silliness.
Michael Spicer‏ @MrMichaelSpicer 23h23 hours ago
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I'm live-tweeting the last chimes of Big Ben. Sombre atmos. People here bravely going about their business like somehow it doesn't matter.
How are we all bearing up without it??

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 12:12 pm
by PorFavor
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

Up at silly o'clock to accompany 'er indoors to the Royal London. No idea when her procedure is taking place so I'm playing a waiting game today.

I like this about yesterday's silliness.
Michael Spicer‏ @MrMichaelSpicer 23h23 hours ago
More
I'm live-tweeting the last chimes of Big Ben. Sombre atmos. People here bravely going about their business like somehow it doesn't matter.
How are we all bearing up without it??
I don't think I can stand it much longer. There's only so much flesh and blood can take.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 12:15 pm
by HindleA
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ship-paper" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 12:22 pm
by NonOxCol
Hello.

Even when Trump is gone, America might still be irredeemably f**ked.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... lle-215514" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 12:25 pm
by HindleA
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... s-intended" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 12:37 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Hmm...that report on the benefits of Brexit from Patrick Minford?
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10:28 PM - 20 Aug 2017
:roll:

She got a bit of stick for this...

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 12:45 pm
by HindleA
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9678" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


How do the rich respond to higher income tax rates?

IFS

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 2:03 pm
by RogerOThornhill
I see Minford is smarting at the criticism he's got from that report and is responding by...insulting the critics.

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:roll:

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 2:09 pm
by PorFavor
RogerOThornhill wrote:I see Minford is smarting at the criticism he's got from that report and is responding by...insulting the critics.

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:roll:

He sounds rather Donald Trump-ish.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 2:11 pm
by citizenJA
Good-afternoon, everyone

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 2:16 pm
by citizenJA
loud, screaming, straw-clutching in media today

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 2:27 pm
by gilsey
RogerOThornhill wrote:Hmm...that report on the benefits of Brexit from Patrick Minford?
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Brexit could boost UK economy by £135 billion, say top economists http://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/N ... conomists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
10:28 PM - 20 Aug 2017
:roll:

She got a bit of stick for this...
Rightly so.

Best wishes to Mrs O'T, thinking of you both.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 3:55 pm
by PorFavor
Turnberry: Trump's golf hotel given £110,000 Scottish tax rebate

US president’s luxury resort benefits from scheme set up to help small businesses affected by economic slump (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... tax-rebate

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 4:11 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Over in the US, a planned neo-Nazi burning of "degenerate literature" has been cancelled. The organiser complained of "freedom of speech" being curtailed.

Further comment is superfluous.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 4:52 pm
by PorFavor
Asda bins 10,000 bags for life after 'Isle of White' spelling error

Store had printed design featuring local children’s illustration to mark opening of branch in Newport, Isle of Wight (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rror-wight

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 4:59 pm
by PorFavor
Mind you, the local Asda here had (and probably still has) the word "Stationary" picked out in the stone-work. I did (nicely and politely) point it out to them (the manager) on quite a few occasions but they treated me like some potentially dangerous eccentric.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 5:02 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Well it was also stationAry, I suppose :D

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 5:57 pm
by PorFavor
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well it was also stationAry, I suppose :D

Oddly enough, the lettering (giving a list of departments) was sited (and sighted) above the customer services desk - the queue for which was, usually, quite stationary!

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 6:00 pm
by PorFavor
Prison healthcare so bad it would be shut down on outside, say doctors

Doctors tell of understaffed services, with patients missing hospital appointments due to clerical errors or lack of escort (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ay-doctors

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 7:07 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
And it seems that much hyped Tory "plans" to crack down on top pay excesses have now been shelved indefinitely.

Perish the thought all that "TANKS ON LABOUR'S LAWN" stuff was phoney all along, but maybe this also shows it was only Tim Nickothy who even remotely believed this stuff?

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 8:54 pm
by HindleA
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/rethinki ... paul-smith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rethinking Disabled Facilities Grants


Here we go:-
"Consideration of moving to a more suitable long-term home should be a key part of any new solution"

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 8:56 pm
by HindleA
Three pronged attack-only loan for homeowners,social care charge musings DFG encouragement to move to more "suitable"

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 9:18 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
AnatolyKasparov wrote:And it seems that much hyped Tory "plans" to crack down on top pay excesses have now been shelved indefinitely.

Perish the thought all that "TANKS ON LABOUR'S LAWN" stuff was phoney all along, but maybe this also shows it was only Tim Nickothy who even remotely believed this stuff?
And he was hardly a policy expert. More what they call "policy flavours" in The Thick of It.

Btw, who is this Osborne chap? I recall an "Iron Chancellor" by that name. But I'm thinking of this new fellow, wanting Keynesian investment in more high speed railways?

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 9:22 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eu-flights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Airports call for urgent post-Brexit deal on UK-EU flights
Owners of five major UK airports say uncertainty over future of flights is hitting passenger numbers hard, in report submitted to ministers

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 9:51 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:And it seems that much hyped Tory "plans" to crack down on top pay excesses have now been shelved indefinitely.

Perish the thought all that "TANKS ON LABOUR'S LAWN" stuff was phoney all along, but maybe this also shows it was only Tim Nickothy who even remotely believed this stuff?
And he was hardly a policy expert. More what they call "policy flavours" in The Thick of It.

Btw, who is this Osborne chap? I recall an "Iron Chancellor" by that name. But I'm thinking of this new fellow, wanting Keynesian investment in more high speed railways?
Ah yes, "woke" George Osborne. He always was slippery as an eel, mind.......

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 10:03 pm
by HindleA
UC breaches always better off in work,simple, make unavailable,loan with interest zero earnings or fuck all ,you thought contributions meant anything?Sucker.
Breach of DFG if move,simple,move first.
Know your place.
Smile for the camera.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 10:13 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
I'm not sure about HS3 either.

HS2 is a project that's been put together over 8 years. HS3 seemed to spring fully formed from Osborne just before the 2015 election.

HS2 came about thus-

1) Is there another way of upgrading what we have?
2) Not really. So new line needed.
3) Might as well be high speed.

I don't know if 1 has been looked at properly. Could for instance a 125mph line with very few stops from Liverpool to Hull be built around what we have? More like Cardiff-Bristol- Swindon- Reading- London?

I've no argument at all with more rail spending in the North. IPPR North came up with a figure of £6bn per year underfunding of the North. Let's chop a bit off as Brexit tax, and go with £5bn, and see what can be done.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 10:14 pm
by HindleA
State Pension is an earnings replacement benefit of course,though maybe not wise to say that too much,they may decide to time limit,make loan recoup later in more broader terms than targeted.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 10:42 pm
by HindleA
#J.Portes


UK has quietly borrowed extra *£100 billion* in last year not counted in deficit). Makes Lab manifesto look timid


https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... ector-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 10:48 pm
by RogerOThornhill
HindleA wrote:#J.Portes


UK has quietly borrowed extra *£100 billion* in last year not counted in deficit). Makes Lab manifesto look timid


https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... ector-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, I saw that and thought I understood all the stuff about Quantitative Easing / Asset Purchase Facility...but having seen that I'm not sure I do now.

Need to go away and have a think...

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 11:03 pm
by HindleA
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41007211" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Universal credit: ID issues with Irish passport

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 11:08 pm
by StephenDolan
I hope the BBC cleared their Yemen piece with Fallon. Leading the news, wow.

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 11:10 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
RogerOThornhill wrote:
HindleA wrote:#J.Portes


UK has quietly borrowed extra *£100 billion* in last year not counted in deficit). Makes Lab manifesto look timid


https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... ector-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, I saw that and thought I understood all the stuff about Quantitative Easing / Asset Purchase Facility...but having seen that I'm not sure I do now.

Need to go away and have a think...
Let me know what you think. I'm not getting past opening links and being told I've used my quota of free articles. But I'd be struggling anyway.

I've got that Carney set it up after the Referendum. But surely it can't be £100bn of government debt, can it?!

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Tue 22 Aug, 2017 11:40 pm
by HindleA
Asset Purchase Facility. Of this £100.0 billion, £78.3 billion relates to the Term Funding Scheme (TFS).



http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/markets/ ... fault.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/markets/ ... fault.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/boeapps/ ... 0Xtop.y=10" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 22nd August 2017

Posted: Wed 23 Aug, 2017 12:10 am
by HindleA
Why am I looking at at Interest rates since '75.