FlyTheNest

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 6:57 am**

Good morfternoon.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 7:10 am**

Trump paints himself as the real victim of Charlottesville in angry speech

Speaking at a rally in Phoenix, president attempts to counter widespread, bipartisan condemnation of his response to far-right violence (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ly-phoenix

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 9:24 am**

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/ ... ts-persons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Disability rights in the UK: updated submission to the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities

"Disabled people have won hard fought battles over recent decades to ensure that they can live independently to exercise choice and control over their support.Evidence of regression must be confronted and urgently addressed"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/d ... mg00000004" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/24252" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news ... e-sessions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/18th ... 6901922001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 10:06 am**

Morning all. All being well I should be able to go and bring 'er indoors home later. Procedure went off well by the sound of it - surgery planned for 2 weeks time, and then chemo.

NHS has 350 fewer family doctors than two years ago despite promises of 2,000 more by 2020

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/nhs-350-fe ... ar_twitter

The cash-starved NHS has been stripped of 350 family doctors in just two years, shock figures revealed today.

Numbers have plummeted since 2015 despite a Tory pledge for 5,000 more GPs by 2020.

Latest workforce stats show there were 34,242 full-time equivalent general medical practitioners in June – a drop from 34,592 in September 2015 when records started.

Of course, the pledge could still be achieved...but I'm not sure it's that great a start if numbers are reducing already.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 10:18 am**

Thanks for update,glad things appear to be "moving".

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 10:50 am**

GERS

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2017/08/7201" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 11:11 am**

PorFavor wrote:
Trump paints himself as the real victim of Charlottesville in angry speech

Speaking at a rally in Phoenix, president attempts to counter widespread, bipartisan condemnation of his response to far-right violence (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ly-phoenix

Yes, he's the real victim. Incredible.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 11:14 am**

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... properties" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Going underground: number of Britons digging basements soars

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 11:15 am**

[youtube]AE1ct5yEuVY[/youtube]

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 11:26 am**

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latest ... y-politics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 11:38 am**

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/201 ... _2018.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump Said Obamacare Would Collapse on Its Own. It Looks Like He Was Wrong

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 11:38 am**

Not surprising that Neil is taking it a bit easier given his age. I admit I've always had a soft spot for him despite his obvious political leanings.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 11:47 am**

Morning.

I've been trying to find a comprehensive article on the mortgage interest benefit changes that HindleA has been referring to. I probably missed previous links and have been trying to catch up with the details. The best one I've found so far is from the 'Lincolnshire Times'. An interesting juxtaposition is presented where one of the most vocal critics of Brexit, George Osborne, is the very person who was most responsible for ensuring the poorest no longer have a safety net to protect them from the negative economic consequences of it.

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/ ... ore-307058" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government axes benefit claimed by more than 100,000 people - how will it affect you?
Beware changes to Support For Mortgage Interest

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 12:10 pm**

AnatolyKasparov references this story, above -

Andrew Neil steps down as Sunday Politics host

Sarah Smith will take hotseat when BBC programme returns from summer break in mid-September

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... itics-host

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 12:18 pm**

Good-afternoon, everyone

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 12:19 pm**

To anybody who still might not know, Sarah Smith is the eldest daughter of John (of blessed memory)

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 12:26 pm**

It is what you get when you play the comparative "fairness" game,too late to be applied to me (us),a relative small amount but a help and I could retain employment to bump up income a tad-now removed,even though not expected to.Particular pernicious of course to the sick/disabled on various levels,more the symbolic pay back selfish cunt,further residualisation of contributions meaning anything.The underlining message is clear of course to those willing to see.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 12:29 pm**

Sanctions and the worst drought for almost two decades threaten to cause severe hardship for millions of people in North Korea, while the country’s leadership continues to plough scarce resources into its missile and nuclear programmes, according to UN agencies and those with contacts in the impoverished nation.

A drought that ravaged crops earlier this summer will leave the North unable to properly feed many of its people, including soldiers in the country’s million-strong army, the groups have warned.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... lnutrition" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

scarier than hell, this
resources not shared are taken

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 12:35 pm**

Spiralling internal calamities, nothing to lose and big weapons

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 12:40 pm**

HindleA wrote:It is what you get when you play the comparative "fairness" game,too late to be applied to me (us),a relative small amount but a help and I could retain employment to bump up income a tad-now removed,even though not expected to.Particular pernicious of course to the sick/disabled on various levels,more the symbolic pay back selfish cunt,further residualisation of contributions meaning anything.The underlining message is clear of course to those willing to see.

Yeah. If you can't afford private insurance, screw you. Over a hundred years of progress in the concept of national insurance for all is being swept away with little reference to parliament and democracy and virtually no scrutiny from the press.

The "fairness" argument was already addressed by the fact that only interest, not capital, was paid. From an affordability point of view it's a no brainer. Keep people in their homes and if their circumstances do improve, much more likely they will be able to return to independence and no longer require additional benefits. It's why Gordon Brown reduced the length of time you had to wait to claim after the financial crash, to head off repossessions and much higher costs to the state further down the road.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 1:14 pm**

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... nford.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The BBC and Patrick Minford.

Wren-Lewis

"Suppose a report of a medical trial had suggested a miracle cure for some serious disease. The report had not been peer reviewed, and its author had connections to a drug company that stood to benefit from the alleged cure, but the BBC had decided to give it considerable publicity nevertheless. Within days it became clear that there were serious problems with the report, and that there were other existing papers that came to a completely different conclusion. The BBC would then look very foolish, and many sufferers from this disease would have been given false hope. I suspect for that reason the BBC would be much more cautious. Yet if the report is about a subject matter with any political implications this caution appears to go out of the window."

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 1:39 pm**

A year on, some interesting new evidence has emerged re "Traingate".

Corbyn totally exonerated? Perhaps not. Branson and his company looking distinctly shifty?? Definitely.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 1:47 pm**

Presume this:-

[youtube]47fqjA8CwGE[/youtube]

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 1:52 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ellors-pay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fourth MP quits Bath University role over vice-chancellor’s pay
Darren Jones becomes latest to step down from university body in protest against Glynis Breakwell’s £451,000 package

This is an interesting story that reflects the evolving nature of our HE sector. The direct line drawn in the article between undergraduate student loans and high vice chancellor pay makes a powerful political point but possibly misses the more nuanced element about how universities are changing. Bath Uni has a lot of what you might call commercial elements - executive MBAs, research facilities for hire, sports training village - it's as much a business as an educational establishment. These sorts of changes don't happen in a vacuum. The commercialization of HE has been ongoing for some considerable time now and exorbitant CEO type pay for vice chancellors seems a natural consequence. It frustrates me that a Tory MP is complaining about what seems to be an inevitable result of Tory ideology. It would also be nice if the opposition could widen the debate about HE out from student loans a little, as it's the whole sector that needs review and reform, not just how and how much students contribute to fees.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 2:14 pm**

In other news, it appears Laura Pidcock MP has upset the Centrist Dad tendency on Twitter.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 2:14 pm**

I was listening to You & Yours earlier, there was a segment about disabled people going to university, apparently they can continue to claim HB at present but guess what, under UC they won't be able to.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 2:18 pm**

Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ellors-pay

Fourth MP quits Bath University role over vice-chancellor’s pay
Darren Jones becomes latest to step down from university body in protest against Glynis Breakwell’s £451,000 package
This is an interesting story that reflects the evolving nature of our HE sector. The direct line drawn in the article between undergraduate student loans and high vice chancellor pay makes a powerful political point but possibly misses the more nuanced element about how universities are changing. Bath Uni has a lot of what you might call commercial elements - executive MBAs, research facilities for hire, sports training village - it's as much a business as an educational establishment. These sorts of changes don't happen in a vacuum. The commercialization of HE has been ongoing for some considerable time now and exorbitant CEO type pay for vice chancellors seems a natural consequence. It frustrates me that a Tory MP is complaining about what seems to be an inevitable result of Tory ideology. It would also be nice if the opposition could widen the debate about HE out from student loans a little, as it's the whole sector that needs review and reform, not just how and how much students contribute to fees.

Pretty much the point that Blanchflower was making with his spat with Andrew Adonis the other day. If you want them to act like commercial businesses don't be surprised when the rules of the market apply for VCs.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 2:26 pm**

http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/18th ... 5960861001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 2:38 pm**

Hi all

Thanks for that link to the Virgin cctv Mr A

Being a bit dull I looked back on the original thread (exactly 1 year ago to the day) and looked at the posts

As you can imagine there was a bit of a discussion with most uncommital and one person asked why a still had been released and not the whole clip - now we can see why

As I said most people where not that engaged as it was a bit tit for tat and not very clear. One person in particular though accused Corbyn of being a 'fibber' and was happy to believe the Virgin evidence without question

Said person claims to be an eminent lawyer but seems only to be good in getting things wrong

Corbyn was also insulted wuite a lot in the media too - seems that he may not have been so wrong after all

Also, interesting to read old posts now and again to see how good people are in their predictions and foresight

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 2:51 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:In other news, it appears Laura Pidcock MP has upset the Centrist Dad tendency on Twitter.

What a loss Pat Glass was. Pidcock is a Russia Today woman.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:00 pm**

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ellors-pay

Fourth MP quits Bath University role over vice-chancellor’s pay
Darren Jones becomes latest to step down from university body in protest against Glynis Breakwell’s £451,000 package
This is an interesting story that reflects the evolving nature of our HE sector. The direct line drawn in the article between undergraduate student loans and high vice chancellor pay makes a powerful political point but possibly misses the more nuanced element about how universities are changing. Bath Uni has a lot of what you might call commercial elements - executive MBAs, research facilities for hire, sports training village - it's as much a business as an educational establishment. These sorts of changes don't happen in a vacuum. The commercialization of HE has been ongoing for some considerable time now and exorbitant CEO type pay for vice chancellors seems a natural consequence. It frustrates me that a Tory MP is complaining about what seems to be an inevitable result of Tory ideology. It would also be nice if the opposition could widen the debate about HE out from student loans a little, as it's the whole sector that needs review and reform, not just how and how much students contribute to fees.
Pretty much the point that Blanchflower was making with his spat with Andrew Adonis the other day. If you want them to act like commercial businesses don't be surprised when the rules of the market apply for VCs.

Blanchflower was also saying it was reasonable that vice chancellors could earn big money, because they were in an international market, which was further than lots of people go. I'm sure when the right VC can clinch a huge endowment, you can make a good case for paying him £500k. My problem is that the conditions further down of academics seem to be getting worse.

Adonis absurdly said VCs were like school headmasters.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:02 pm**

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41027671" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EU citizen detention letters sent in error

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:08 pm**

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:In other news, it appears Laura Pidcock MP has upset the Centrist Dad tendency on Twitter.
What a loss Pat Glass was. Pidcock is a Russia Today woman.

Glass was good, I agree. Not as dismissive of her successor, however.

(and also I think RT isn't always bad in small doses)

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:09 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:A year on, some interesting new evidence has emerged re "Traingate".

Corbyn totally exonerated? Perhaps not. Branson and his company looking distinctly shifty?? Definitely.

That doesn't surprise me. Bring it on.

The big problem for me was that the state basically decides rolling stock, not the train companies. Lots of new trains are coming.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:11 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:In other news, it appears Laura Pidcock MP has upset the Centrist Dad tendency on Twitter.
What a loss Pat Glass was. Pidcock is a Russia Today woman.
Glass was good, I agree. Not as dismissive of her successor, however.

(and also I think RT isn't always bad in small doses)

Not all of it's bad but there's a reason they push Corbyn and allies. It's not because they want more social justice.

Though I think Corbyn's much more circumspect now on eh NATO.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:35 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:In other news, it appears Laura Pidcock MP has upset the Centrist Dad tendency on Twitter.

Lyndon
(@LyndonBowe1)
What @LauraPidcockMP misses is that it's the Left's duty to convince the right that change is needed to have a moral society
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Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:38 pm**

Lyndon‏ @LyndonBowe1 1m1 minute ago
Replying to @LyndonBowe1 @LauraPidcockMP

And it's the Right's duty to argue for the retention of systems that are in place sustaining a moral society. Yin & Yang. Cooperation. 2/2

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:48 pm**

I'm unfamiliar with Labour MP Laura Pidcock and looked up the name
came upon those tweets
no idea if it's connected to AK's original post
no idea who the twitter poster is
it's garbage, those tweets

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 3:53 pm**

The right need to stay the hell in their room until they can come out and responsibly interact with the rest of the grown-ups

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 4:13 pm**

Lyndon (@LyndonBowe1)
What @LauraPidcockMP misses is that it's the Left's duty to convince the right that change is needed to have a moral society
1/2

And it's the Right's duty to argue for the retention of systems that are in place sustaining a moral society. Yin & Yang. Cooperation. 2/2

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Lyndon on twitter makes a mockery of the concept of yin & yang
The labels of left and right are useful for keeping people divided, as though it's a law of nature people separate into left or right
left or right are names Lyndon attaches to absurd slogans
People are responsible for knowing and promoting a healthy society
They don't get to hide behind left or right justifying their lack of action or rationalise engagement in corrupt practices

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 4:20 pm**

HA ha nice dig by Welsh Government representative,polite but more effective because of that,"like to point out our approach"

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 4:23 pm**

@howsillyofme1
Thank goodness I didn't need doubt the integrity of the Labour leader

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 4:45 pm**

Wow. Has Theresa May turned up at Redcar Steelworks for a photo op, and not told Anna Turley?

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 4:51 pm**

citizenJA wrote:@howsillyofme1
Thank goodness I didn't need doubt the integrity of the Labour leader

Doubt everyone (but more some than others!)

Of course every politician manipulates the reality to get their point across at one time or another

Just be careful in making statements that are too black/white and be prepared to admit mistakes if you do

Let us see if that happens in this case

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 4:58 pm**

I put this up before, but it's a goody. From The Telegraph, before the election.

27 MAY 2017 • 7:08PM
The pound is in for “a rough ride” if the Conservatives lose the general election, currency traders and analysts believe, after a number of strong polls for Labour sent the currency into a tumble late last week.

Sterling could fall by another 5pc on a Labour victory, forcing the currency down to $1.20 against the dollar. The pound has not been below this level for a prolonged period at any time since the 1980s.

Against the euro the pound could fall to as low as €1.08 to $1.09, a level not seen since the depths of the financial crisis.

It's €1.08 now.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 4:59 pm**

Not so convinced by Blanchflowers comment...any evidence our VC are in demand arpund the world?

My recent visits to uk universities suggest they are souless places now focused on squeezing cash from anywhere they can

I suppose that is now thier main focus...not teaching

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 5:01 pm**

Safe to say some of the Committee don't seem all that convinced.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 5:02 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:In other news, it appears Laura Pidcock MP has upset the Centrist Dad tendency on Twitter.
What a loss Pat Glass was. Pidcock is a Russia Today woman.
Glass was good, I agree. Not as dismissive of her successor, however.

(and also I think RT isn't always bad in small doses)

RT is a propaganda channel.

And no, the BBC is not.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 5:04 pm**

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Not all of it's bad but there's a reason they push Corbyn and allies. It's not because they want more social justice.

Though I think Corbyn's much more circumspect now on eh NATO.

He s constrained by his role, no more.

Posted: **Wed 23 Aug, 2017 5:08 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... oadcasting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Disabled people and over-50s most under-represented in broadcasting

Remember the furore and panic of parents over a children's TV presenter.Difference as demonic is a long held tradition/belief.

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