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Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 10:41 pm
by PorFavor
Night night.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 10:49 pm
by HindleA
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-franc ... ce=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 12:00 am
by Sky'sGoneOut
It would seem I can vote for the Labour Party once again.

Isn't that nice?

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 12:16 am
by Sky'sGoneOut
What I meant to say was now we remainers have somewhere to go on the left.

It's been a while coming, but better late than never.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 3:52 am
by HindleA
Laura Pidcock is meeting Gauke about her concerns about UC.It is this sort of hate that puts MP's at risk.My great uncle Fred was a Tory.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 4:45 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -editorial" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 6:33 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-s ... al-weekend" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Bat conservation is open to everyone, even city nature-phobes

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 9:06 am
by HindleA
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/econ ... snt-matter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


The national debt is still soaring—but that doesn’t matter
Its insignificance is significant because it means nationalisation is affordable

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 9:26 am
by PorFavor
Good morfternoon.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 10:17 am
by Willow904
Sky'sGoneOut wrote:What I meant to say was now we remainers have somewhere to go on the left.

It's been a while coming, but better late than never.
If Labour is serious about remaining in the single market during transition, they will need to amend the repeal bill or defeat it, or at least try, so we'll have to wait and see what they actually do. But I agree the new position is encouraging.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 10:28 am
by AnatolyKasparov
HindleA wrote:Laura Pidcock is meeting Gauke about her concerns about UC.It is this sort of hate that puts MP's at risk.My great uncle Fred was a Tory.
Pidcock has said her own grandmother was a lifelong Tory. Even by the standards of silly season, the manufactured fuss about this has been pathetic and dishonest.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 10:30 am
by tinybgoat
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Image
promising Twitter thread, starts with -
May's visit to Teeside looks like the promo shots for a gritty new detective drama set in the North East

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 11:33 am
by tinybgoat
Willow904 wrote:
Sky'sGoneOut wrote:What I meant to say was now we remainers have somewhere to go on the left.

It's been a while coming, but better late than never.
If Labour is serious about remaining in the single market during transition, they will need to amend the repeal bill or defeat it, or at least try, so we'll have to wait and see what they actually do. But I agree the new position is encouraging.
I thought the repeal bill was from the point of leaving, so there's no reason not to stay in single market during transition, except political leaning?

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 11:46 am
by PorFavor
Divorce bill remains sticking point as Brexit negotiations resume

Senior EU diplomats warn progress in this week’s negotiations will be difficult unless UK agrees how to calculate final Brexit bill


EU officials said they were looking forward to hearing the UK team’s legal analysis on the Brexit bill but voiced their frustration. “We are not yet in a situation where lack of time would prevent us from advancing, so far it is a lack of substance,” said one official. (Guardian - my emphasis)
Lack of style, too.

And the general thrust seems to be that the UK wants somebody else to do all the spade work.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ons-resume

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 1:21 pm
by PorFavor
Missing in London: inside TfL's lost property office (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017 ... rty-office

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 2:01 pm
by Willow904
tinybgoat wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
Sky'sGoneOut wrote:What I meant to say was now we remainers have somewhere to go on the left.

It's been a while coming, but better late than never.
If Labour is serious about remaining in the single market during transition, they will need to amend the repeal bill or defeat it, or at least try, so we'll have to wait and see what they actually do. But I agree the new position is encouraging.
I thought the repeal bill was from the point of leaving, so there's no reason not to stay in single market during transition, except political leaning?
Hi tinybgoat. Sorry to only just respond to your question, I was out shopping.

The point about the repeal bill is that the way it's currently drafted it will apply from "exit day". And "exit day" is whatever day the government later decides it wants it to be without any recourse to parliament. So if Labour are serious about opposing May's plans to pull us out of the single market and customs union in March 2019 (or having a meaningful vote on the exit agreement) they will have to start that opposition right now, either by successfully amending the bill so "exit day" can only be designated by a vote in Parliament or by opposing the repeal bill.

So if Labour are ever going to fight hard Brexit, they'll need to start now. Even if they completely fail to stop May's plans, at least they won't be implicated in any of the negative consequences of a Tory hard Brexit, having tried to oppose it. I assume this is why Starmer's clarification of policy has come now, because being all things to all sides will no longer be possible once the repeal bill goes through Parliament as Labour will be forced to take definitive stances on significant issues, like the one above.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 2:33 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Willow904 wrote:
tinybgoat wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
If Labour is serious about remaining in the single market during transition, they will need to amend the repeal bill or defeat it, or at least try, so we'll have to wait and see what they actually do. But I agree the new position is encouraging.
I thought the repeal bill was from the point of leaving, so there's no reason not to stay in single market during transition, except political leaning?
Hi tinybgoat. Sorry to only just respond to your question, I was out shopping.

The point about the repeal bill is that the way it's currently drafted it will apply from "exit day". And "exit day" is whatever day the government later decides it wants it to be without any recourse to parliament. So if Labour are serious about opposing May's plans to pull us out of the single market and customs union in March 2019 (or having a meaningful vote on the exit agreement) they will have to start that opposition right now, either by successfully amending the bill so "exit day" can only be designated by a vote in Parliament or by opposing the repeal bill.

So if Labour are ever going to fight hard Brexit, they'll need to start now. Even if they completely fail to stop May's plans, at least they won't be implicated in any of the negative consequences of a Tory hard Brexit, having tried to oppose it. I assume this is why Starmer's clarification of policy has come now, because being all things to all sides will no longer be possible once the repeal bill goes through Parliament as Labour will be forced to take definitive stances on significant issues, like the one above.
Hi Willow

Presumably Labour will indeed be seeking to amend the Repeal Bill as it hits Parliament shortly.

One thing I am interested in is to the extent to which the Lords will cause trouble. If I understand correctly, since there is no formal coalition, the Salisbury Convention does not hold.

Am I right on this?

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 2:41 pm
by HindleA
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/sal ... on-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... -2017-0030" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.parliament.uk/site-informati ... -doctrine/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 2:55 pm
by HindleA
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Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 2:58 pm
by citizenJA
PorFavor wrote:Night night.
I woke this morning and thought I'd slept through most of the day
The clock's battery had stopped

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 2:59 pm
by citizenJA
Good-afternoon, everyone

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 3:03 pm
by PorFavor
HindleA wrote:Deleted
Not before I'd listened to it. So there!

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 3:20 pm
by Willow904
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
tinybgoat wrote: I thought the repeal bill was from the point of leaving, so there's no reason not to stay in single market during transition, except political leaning?
Hi tinybgoat. Sorry to only just respond to your question, I was out shopping.

The point about the repeal bill is that the way it's currently drafted it will apply from "exit day". And "exit day" is whatever day the government later decides it wants it to be without any recourse to parliament. So if Labour are serious about opposing May's plans to pull us out of the single market and customs union in March 2019 (or having a meaningful vote on the exit agreement) they will have to start that opposition right now, either by successfully amending the bill so "exit day" can only be designated by a vote in Parliament or by opposing the repeal bill.

So if Labour are ever going to fight hard Brexit, they'll need to start now. Even if they completely fail to stop May's plans, at least they won't be implicated in any of the negative consequences of a Tory hard Brexit, having tried to oppose it. I assume this is why Starmer's clarification of policy has come now, because being all things to all sides will no longer be possible once the repeal bill goes through Parliament as Labour will be forced to take definitive stances on significant issues, like the one above.
Hi Willow

Presumably Labour will indeed be seeking to amend the Repeal Bill as it hits Parliament shortly.

One thing I am interested in is to the extent to which the Lords will cause trouble. If I understand correctly, since there is no formal coalition, the Salisbury Convention does not hold.

Am I right on this?
How and when the Salisbury Convention might apply to a minority government is a good question. I don't really know, but I think it's very clear Theresa May went to the country to get a mandate for her hard Brexit plans and failed to get one, so I can't see how the Salisbury Convention would apply in that case.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 3:37 pm
by HindleA
@cja would highly recommend getting a talking clock/watch,they let you know.Mine is particularly could at crosswords, swears like a trooper and a does a passable impersonation of Frankie Howard.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 3:52 pm
by HindleA
"Bizarre as it may sound, the convention’s susceptibility to variable interpretation may prove to be its most attractive feature for the demands of the moment"

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 3:56 pm
by citizenJA
HindleA wrote:@cja would highly recommend getting a talking clock/watch,they let you know.Mine is particularly could at crosswords, swears like a trooper and a does a passable impersonation of Frankie Howard.
May Tarquin give me a recommendation, please?

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 4:08 pm
by HindleA
"None of the cheap shite on offer,get a decent one,radio controlled as a minimum",sorry a bit blunt but hopefully clear.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 4:19 pm
by citizenJA
HindleA wrote:"Bizarre as it may sound, the convention’s susceptibility to variable interpretation may prove to be its most attractive feature for the demands of the moment"
I hope so...still, I don't like unwritten and customary procedure

Tories lost their majority and while they've currently the most MPs in Parliament and can justifiably be in leadership, the fact remains they're a minority government, their expensive supply confidantes notwithstanding. Tory government have no mandate for their manifesto or Tory Brexit, as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 4:20 pm
by citizenJA
HindleA wrote:"None of the cheap shite on offer,get a decent one,radio controlled as a minimum",sorry a bit blunt but hopefully clear.
May I please have Big Ben once it's all wound up again?

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 4:24 pm
by HindleA
@cja quote from one of previous links

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 4:46 pm
by citizenJA
Willow904 wrote:---
How and when the Salisbury Convention might apply to a minority government is a good question. I don't really know, but I think it's very clear Theresa May went to the country to get a mandate for her hard Brexit plans and failed to get one, so I can't see how the Salisbury Convention would apply in that case.
Isn't specifically about the Salisbury Convention but I thought it interesting.
Mind the dates, this is prior 2015 GE and the expectation was that it'd be a hung Parliament
Commons Select Committee
26 March 2015

In a report published today, Thursday 26 March, the Commons Political and Constitutional Reform Committee looks at procedures for forming a government after the General Election and sets out what the public ought to expect in the event of a hung Parliament.

In the next Parliament the Cabinet Manual should be updated to differentiate more clearly the reasons behind the periods of restriction on Government activity before and after an election. This will give greater clarity to the public about what should and what should not happen during these periods.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... -may-2015/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Was more clarity sorted after the Tory majority in GE 2015? Anyone got a link?

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 4:48 pm
by citizenJA
HindleA wrote:@cja quote from one of previous links
Where do you think my research started, my friend? From one of your links, of course

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 4:57 pm
by citizenJA
Please have a look at that Parliament link I posted, someone, if you've time and inclination
It looks to me I've posted the least interesting bits on the page
It was an interesting study

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 7:54 pm
by tinybgoat
Willow904 wrote:
Hi tinybgoat. Sorry to only just respond to your question, I was out shopping.

The point about the repeal bill is that the way it's currently drafted it will apply from "exit day". And "exit day" is whatever day the government later decides it wants it to be without any recourse to parliament. So if Labour are serious about opposing May's plans to pull us out of the single market and customs union in March 2019 (or having a meaningful vote on the exit agreement) they will have to start that opposition right now, either by successfully amending the bill so "exit day" can only be designated by a vote in Parliament or by opposing the repeal bill.

So if Labour are ever going to fight hard Brexit, they'll need to start now. Even if they completely fail to stop May's plans, at least they won't be implicated in any of the negative consequences of a Tory hard Brexit, having tried to oppose it. I assume this is why Starmer's clarification of policy has come now, because being all things to all sides will no longer be possible once the repeal bill goes through Parliament as Labour will be forced to take definitive stances on significant issues, like the one above.
Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
;)

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 8:25 pm
by 55DegreesNorth
Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
;)
Well stop reading it.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 8:35 pm
by tinybgoat
55DegreesNorth wrote:
Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
;)
Well stop reading it.
:D
Very good, my standards aren't quite that low (though I admit to browsing conservativehome occasionally, mainly for the ....)

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 9:24 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
tinybgoat wrote:
Image
promising Twitter thread, starts with -
May's visit to Teeside looks like the promo shots for a gritty new detective drama set in the North East
Monkfish!

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 9:34 pm
by HindleA
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... protocol-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Technical note on functionality and Protocol 7

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 9:36 pm
by HindleA
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/davi ... gotiations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


News story
David Davis' opening remarks at the start of the third round of EU exit negotiations

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 9:50 pm
by PorFavor
HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/davi ... gotiations


News story
David Davis' opening remarks at the start of the third round of EU exit negotiations

Rolled-up sleeves are so passé.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 10:09 pm
by 55DegreesNorth
Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
;)
Well stop reading it.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 10:16 pm
by PorFavor
What's going on? Has someone shuffled the deck?

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 10:34 pm
by PorFavor
Night night.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 10:34 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Anybody who hasn't seen it yet, and wants a bit of a laugh, should seek out this "journalists political leanings" table going around.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 11:03 pm
by refitman
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Anybody who hasn't seen it yet, and wants a bit of a laugh, should seek out this "journalists political leanings" table going around.
This one?
Image
Some of it you think "hmm, I can agree with that". Then you see Alex Jones as "the white sun of light and revelation" and you fall over laughing. You can't even describe him as 'white', as he's normally a shade of puce.

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 11:16 pm
by adam
tinybgoat wrote:
55DegreesNorth wrote:
Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
;)
Well stop reading it.
:D
Very good, my standards aren't quite that low (though I admit to browsing conservativehome occasionally, mainly for the ....)
There's something there bringing you down...

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 11:20 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Police dealing with record level of phone calls on mental health
Forces left to pick up pieces, with senior officer saying cuts and rising demand mean NHS is struggling to cope

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 11:29 pm
by HindleA
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 86166.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DWP spends £39m defending decisions to strip benefits from sick and disabled people

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Tue 29 Aug, 2017 12:21 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



UK-US trade could be derailed by 19 lost deals after Brexit, say MPs

Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017

Posted: Tue 29 Aug, 2017 1:32 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... sile-japan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



North Korea fires missile over Japan