Re: Saturday 26th, Sunday 27th & Monday 28th August 2017
Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 10:41 pm
Night night.
If Labour is serious about remaining in the single market during transition, they will need to amend the repeal bill or defeat it, or at least try, so we'll have to wait and see what they actually do. But I agree the new position is encouraging.Sky'sGoneOut wrote:What I meant to say was now we remainers have somewhere to go on the left.
It's been a while coming, but better late than never.
Pidcock has said her own grandmother was a lifelong Tory. Even by the standards of silly season, the manufactured fuss about this has been pathetic and dishonest.HindleA wrote:Laura Pidcock is meeting Gauke about her concerns about UC.It is this sort of hate that puts MP's at risk.My great uncle Fred was a Tory.
May's visit to Teeside looks like the promo shots for a gritty new detective drama set in the North East
I thought the repeal bill was from the point of leaving, so there's no reason not to stay in single market during transition, except political leaning?Willow904 wrote:If Labour is serious about remaining in the single market during transition, they will need to amend the repeal bill or defeat it, or at least try, so we'll have to wait and see what they actually do. But I agree the new position is encouraging.Sky'sGoneOut wrote:What I meant to say was now we remainers have somewhere to go on the left.
It's been a while coming, but better late than never.
Lack of style, too.Divorce bill remains sticking point as Brexit negotiations resume
Senior EU diplomats warn progress in this week’s negotiations will be difficult unless UK agrees how to calculate final Brexit bill
EU officials said they were looking forward to hearing the UK team’s legal analysis on the Brexit bill but voiced their frustration. “We are not yet in a situation where lack of time would prevent us from advancing, so far it is a lack of substance,” said one official. (Guardian - my emphasis)
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017 ... rty-officeMissing in London: inside TfL's lost property office (Guardian)
Hi tinybgoat. Sorry to only just respond to your question, I was out shopping.tinybgoat wrote:I thought the repeal bill was from the point of leaving, so there's no reason not to stay in single market during transition, except political leaning?Willow904 wrote:If Labour is serious about remaining in the single market during transition, they will need to amend the repeal bill or defeat it, or at least try, so we'll have to wait and see what they actually do. But I agree the new position is encouraging.Sky'sGoneOut wrote:What I meant to say was now we remainers have somewhere to go on the left.
It's been a while coming, but better late than never.
Hi WillowWillow904 wrote:Hi tinybgoat. Sorry to only just respond to your question, I was out shopping.tinybgoat wrote:I thought the repeal bill was from the point of leaving, so there's no reason not to stay in single market during transition, except political leaning?Willow904 wrote:
If Labour is serious about remaining in the single market during transition, they will need to amend the repeal bill or defeat it, or at least try, so we'll have to wait and see what they actually do. But I agree the new position is encouraging.
The point about the repeal bill is that the way it's currently drafted it will apply from "exit day". And "exit day" is whatever day the government later decides it wants it to be without any recourse to parliament. So if Labour are serious about opposing May's plans to pull us out of the single market and customs union in March 2019 (or having a meaningful vote on the exit agreement) they will have to start that opposition right now, either by successfully amending the bill so "exit day" can only be designated by a vote in Parliament or by opposing the repeal bill.
So if Labour are ever going to fight hard Brexit, they'll need to start now. Even if they completely fail to stop May's plans, at least they won't be implicated in any of the negative consequences of a Tory hard Brexit, having tried to oppose it. I assume this is why Starmer's clarification of policy has come now, because being all things to all sides will no longer be possible once the repeal bill goes through Parliament as Labour will be forced to take definitive stances on significant issues, like the one above.
I woke this morning and thought I'd slept through most of the dayPorFavor wrote:Night night.
Not before I'd listened to it. So there!HindleA wrote:Deleted
How and when the Salisbury Convention might apply to a minority government is a good question. I don't really know, but I think it's very clear Theresa May went to the country to get a mandate for her hard Brexit plans and failed to get one, so I can't see how the Salisbury Convention would apply in that case.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Hi WillowWillow904 wrote:Hi tinybgoat. Sorry to only just respond to your question, I was out shopping.tinybgoat wrote: I thought the repeal bill was from the point of leaving, so there's no reason not to stay in single market during transition, except political leaning?
The point about the repeal bill is that the way it's currently drafted it will apply from "exit day". And "exit day" is whatever day the government later decides it wants it to be without any recourse to parliament. So if Labour are serious about opposing May's plans to pull us out of the single market and customs union in March 2019 (or having a meaningful vote on the exit agreement) they will have to start that opposition right now, either by successfully amending the bill so "exit day" can only be designated by a vote in Parliament or by opposing the repeal bill.
So if Labour are ever going to fight hard Brexit, they'll need to start now. Even if they completely fail to stop May's plans, at least they won't be implicated in any of the negative consequences of a Tory hard Brexit, having tried to oppose it. I assume this is why Starmer's clarification of policy has come now, because being all things to all sides will no longer be possible once the repeal bill goes through Parliament as Labour will be forced to take definitive stances on significant issues, like the one above.
Presumably Labour will indeed be seeking to amend the Repeal Bill as it hits Parliament shortly.
One thing I am interested in is to the extent to which the Lords will cause trouble. If I understand correctly, since there is no formal coalition, the Salisbury Convention does not hold.
Am I right on this?
May Tarquin give me a recommendation, please?HindleA wrote:@cja would highly recommend getting a talking clock/watch,they let you know.Mine is particularly could at crosswords, swears like a trooper and a does a passable impersonation of Frankie Howard.
I hope so...still, I don't like unwritten and customary procedureHindleA wrote:"Bizarre as it may sound, the convention’s susceptibility to variable interpretation may prove to be its most attractive feature for the demands of the moment"
May I please have Big Ben once it's all wound up again?HindleA wrote:"None of the cheap shite on offer,get a decent one,radio controlled as a minimum",sorry a bit blunt but hopefully clear.
Isn't specifically about the Salisbury Convention but I thought it interesting.Willow904 wrote:---
How and when the Salisbury Convention might apply to a minority government is a good question. I don't really know, but I think it's very clear Theresa May went to the country to get a mandate for her hard Brexit plans and failed to get one, so I can't see how the Salisbury Convention would apply in that case.
Was more clarity sorted after the Tory majority in GE 2015? Anyone got a link?Commons Select Committee
26 March 2015
In a report published today, Thursday 26 March, the Commons Political and Constitutional Reform Committee looks at procedures for forming a government after the General Election and sets out what the public ought to expect in the event of a hung Parliament.
In the next Parliament the Cabinet Manual should be updated to differentiate more clearly the reasons behind the periods of restriction on Government activity before and after an election. This will give greater clarity to the public about what should and what should not happen during these periods.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... -may-2015/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Where do you think my research started, my friend? From one of your links, of courseHindleA wrote:@cja quote from one of previous links
Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.Willow904 wrote:
Hi tinybgoat. Sorry to only just respond to your question, I was out shopping.
The point about the repeal bill is that the way it's currently drafted it will apply from "exit day". And "exit day" is whatever day the government later decides it wants it to be without any recourse to parliament. So if Labour are serious about opposing May's plans to pull us out of the single market and customs union in March 2019 (or having a meaningful vote on the exit agreement) they will have to start that opposition right now, either by successfully amending the bill so "exit day" can only be designated by a vote in Parliament or by opposing the repeal bill.
So if Labour are ever going to fight hard Brexit, they'll need to start now. Even if they completely fail to stop May's plans, at least they won't be implicated in any of the negative consequences of a Tory hard Brexit, having tried to oppose it. I assume this is why Starmer's clarification of policy has come now, because being all things to all sides will no longer be possible once the repeal bill goes through Parliament as Labour will be forced to take definitive stances on significant issues, like the one above.
Well stop reading it.Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
55DegreesNorth wrote:Well stop reading it.Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
Monkfish!tinybgoat wrote:
promising Twitter thread, starts with -May's visit to Teeside looks like the promo shots for a gritty new detective drama set in the North East
HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/davi ... gotiations
News story
David Davis' opening remarks at the start of the third round of EU exit negotiations
Well stop reading it.Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
This one?AnatolyKasparov wrote:Anybody who hasn't seen it yet, and wants a bit of a laugh, should seek out this "journalists political leanings" table going around.
There's something there bringing you down...tinybgoat wrote:55DegreesNorth wrote:Well stop reading it.Thanks, tried to reply earlier, but fell foul of triple nesting thing, then had mobile signal blocked by Winchester Cathedral (on holiday), then ran out of battery.
I think my understanding of brexit's getting steadily worse as it goes on, though could be sun
Very good, my standards aren't quite that low (though I admit to browsing conservativehome occasionally, mainly for the ....)