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I didn't hear it but it appears that Lord Harris (he of the school empire where all of them have his name in it - no ego trip there!) didn't really come over very well about Brexit...

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The eye of the storm
The uncertainty around the implementation of the LHA Cap has been around for a while now and the new government shows no sign of addressing it.




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"NHF showed 156,000 existing specialist homes could potentially be lost due to financial viability – 41% of all existing schemes if the LHA Cap proposals are implemented as proposed.

Some of those schemes are in our ownership and provide support and housing for people with complex learning disabilities; the longer the uncertainty lasts the more I become concerned about the impact on those individuals and their families.

The options for them appear to be they will either need to be supported in different ways by overstretched NHS or Social Care services or, worse still, provided with no support at all."


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Seems like Danny Finkelstein has had a bit of a nervous breakdown over Laura Pidcock. As a certain somebody likes to say - sad!


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Seems like Danny Finkelstein has had a bit of a nervous breakdown over Laura Pidcock. As a certain somebody likes to say - sad!



It is a theme he has written about before: how people of the left tend to have Tories in a way that Tories don't hate Labour supporters. More than an element of truth to it.


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Dugdale going v significant for internal Labour. Means the Scottish NEC spot will now go to a Corbyn'ite, giving them a small majority.

This change is inevitable. As time passes the more control the Campaign group will acquire, reflecting the brand new membership, so different from 2010.


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Not really - the way some people are willing to airbrush out the wave of sheer hatred unleashed on Corbyn in the last few years, to take just one obvious example, is revealing.

And are you really unaware of sites like Guido's?

Anyway, the assertion by Danny F today was that it was only a short step from Pidcock's comments to "the Stasi".

Along with many others, I find that delusional deranged and desperate :)


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Checks mirror-a bit greyer("white paint that stuck to my hair that gives that impression") but essentially the same.


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Whilst I am on this hobby horse (sorry) who was it who described who recently as "an evil person, with evil ideas"?


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Not really - the way some people are willing to airbrush out the wave of sheer hatred unleashed on Corbyn in the last few years, to take just one obvious example, is revealing.

And are you really unaware of sites like Guido's?

Anyway, the assertion by Danny F today was that it was only a short step from Pidcock's comments to "the Stasi".

Along with many others, I find that delusional deranged and desperate :)


Have you actually read the article? I only ask, because although he uses the current discussion of Laura Pidcock's comments as a hook for the article, much of it is a pretty unconnected defence of capitalism and attack on socialism. Not at all deranged and desperate, more predictable and boring and very much the comfort zone of the Times' readership I imagine, although not actually knowing anyone who reads the Times I admit that's a complete guess.

The right wing press will take any opportunity to paint left wingers as the bad guys, we know this. We ended up with bland Labour politicians weighing every word for this very reason. Laura Piddock's comments are interesting to me because of the lack of care in considering that some of the votes needed to win a majority will need to come from people who sympathise enough with Tory values to sometimes vote for them. She said what she thought and there was nothing wrong in what she said, but it seems to me she was addressing her supporters, not those that Labour need to win over and as the Times article is on this theme - how does socialism work if not everyone is on board, how do you get everyone to play their part - it seemed a reasonable enough response to me.

I think the response from the left to this is to pick up and keep putting forward one of the main and compelling points that Pidcock made about how can you be friends with someone who actively votes for and supports policies that are, for example, clearly discriminatory against disabled people or increase child poverty. The left is struggling a little to land any blows in this area and yet we are talking about policies that aren't defensible without a lot of dissemination. I guess I'm talking about focussing more on the policies than ideology. Rather in the way I've always expressed my dislike of Rees-Mogg not for his being a privileged Tory toff but for the way he chooses to make his money. It's about choices. You can like a person, George Osborne is said to be quite personable for instance, whilst still condemning the choices they make and the policies they pursue.

If any of that makes any sense.

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Neil Findlay has apparently ruled out standing as SLab leader - maybe a slight surprise?


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Incidentally, the Daniel Finkelstein article is well worth registering with the Times to read. In questioning the ability of a completely equal socialist society to maintain itself without state imposition (that's where the quote about the Stasi comes in) he essentially admits the abuse of power inherent within an unequal capitalist society that facilitates its imposition on those who do not benefit from it by those who do.

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The right wing press will take any opportunity to paint left wingers as the bad guys, we know this. We ended up with bland Labour politicians weighing every word for this very reason. Laura Piddock's comments are interesting to me because of the lack of care in considering that some of the votes needed to win a majority will need to come from people who sympathise enough with Tory values to sometimes vote for them. She said what she thought and there was nothing wrong in what she said, but it seems to me she was addressing her supporters, not those that Labour need to win over and as the Times article is on this theme - how does socialism work if not everyone is on board, how do you get everyone to play their part - it seemed a reasonable enough response to me.

I think the response from the left to this is to pick up and keep putting forward one of the main and compelling points that Pidcock made about how can you be friends with someone who actively votes for and supports policies that are, for example, clearly discriminatory against disabled people or increase child poverty. The left is struggling a little to land any blows in this area and yet we are talking about policies that aren't defensible without a lot of dissemination. I guess I'm talking about focussing more on the policies than ideology. Rather in the way I've always expressed my dislike of Rees-Mogg not for his being a privileged Tory toff but for the way he chooses to make his money. It's about choices. You can like a person, George Osborne is said to be quite personable for instance, whilst still condemning the choices they make and the policies they pursue.

If any of that makes any sense.

To me Pidcock was talking about fellow MPs, not voters, do people who sometimes vote tory identify with their MPs to that extent?

I would make a distinction between, say, having a pint with Osborne and actually liking him, surely it goes no further than him being tolerable company, you could say that about William Hague too, I've met him a couple of times.
I don't think I could even have a drink with eg Sarah Wollaston, mind. Utter hypocrite.

Did you mean dissembling?

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PPS to the Foreign Secretary, Conor Burns, seems to have lost it...

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I do wonder whether it might have been a SpAd - I've long suspected that a lot of what "Nick Gibb" tweets isn't actually his doing.

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Several supposed Twitter accounts of MPs are actually "outsourced" to their staff, of course. It has been claimed this was also behind Naz Shah's little faux pas recently.


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The right wing press will take any opportunity to paint left wingers as the bad guys, we know this. We ended up with bland Labour politicians weighing every word for this very reason. Laura Piddock's comments are interesting to me because of the lack of care in considering that some of the votes needed to win a majority will need to come from people who sympathise enough with Tory values to sometimes vote for them. She said what she thought and there was nothing wrong in what she said, but it seems to me she was addressing her supporters, not those that Labour need to win over and as the Times article is on this theme - how does socialism work if not everyone is on board, how do you get everyone to play their part - it seemed a reasonable enough response to me.

I think the response from the left to this is to pick up and keep putting forward one of the main and compelling points that Pidcock made about how can you be friends with someone who actively votes for and supports policies that are, for example, clearly discriminatory against disabled people or increase child poverty. The left is struggling a little to land any blows in this area and yet we are talking about policies that aren't defensible without a lot of dissemination. I guess I'm talking about focussing more on the policies than ideology. Rather in the way I've always expressed my dislike of Rees-Mogg not for his being a privileged Tory toff but for the way he chooses to make his money. It's about choices. You can like a person, George Osborne is said to be quite personable for instance, whilst still condemning the choices they make and the policies they pursue.

If any of that makes any sense.

To me Pidcock was talking about fellow MPs, not voters, do people who sometimes vote tory identify with their MPs to that extent?

I would make a distinction between, say, having a pint with Osborne and actually liking him, surely it goes no further than him being tolerable company, you could say that about William Hague too, I've met him a couple of times.
I don't think I could even have a drink with eg Sarah Wollaston, mind. Utter hypocrite.

Did you mean dissembling?


The context suggested she was talking about MPs, but it was easy to take what she said out of context and it seemed predictable to me that a right wing journalist would use it in the way they did - to make left wingers look unreasonable and unpleasant about "good, upstanding conservatives" (who read the Times).

Also I was disagreeing with AK's assessment that Finkelstein's comment about the Stasi was "deranged and delusional". To me, in the context of the article it made sense even if you disagreed with his argument. I would be more inclined to criticise him for avoiding engaging with what Pidcock said about the impact of recent Tory policies.

And yes :D I meant dissembling!

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Unfortunate phraseology, even if we know what he meant (probably)


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Huh?

He's blaming the electorate for the bad deal Tory government will get from the EU


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"They [the EU] know that the result of the British election weakened the British government’s negotiating position. It absolutely did. Of course [Theresa May is] not in anything like as strong a position as if she’d won a majority of 60 or 100 or whatever it might have been in the House of Commons.

So Britain will get a worse deal as a result of the election. I think there is no question about that."

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"They [the EU] know that the result of the British election weakened the British government’s negotiating position. It absolutely did. Of course [Theresa May is] not in anything like as strong a position as if she’d won a majority of 60 or 100 or whatever it might have been in the House of Commons.

So Britain will get a worse deal as a result of the election. I think there is no question about that."

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... 86addbb702


But I'm certainly not going to blame her for either calling the election or the shit campaign.

Risible.

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There is coverage in today’s newspapers and on broadcast media of the case of a man born and raised in the UK who had found he was not considered a British citizen. We have since clarified the facts in this case.

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...but was immediately accused by opponents of overplaying her chances of success.

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Ms May will be pushing for progress on an “ambitious” trade deal ready for when the UK quits the European Union and will attempt to reassure Japanese businesses that the UK will not fall off a cliff-edge when it quits the EU.


British politics is starting to make me hate words.

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Though incredibly it could be worse:

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She [American commentator] tweeted that it's more credible that Houston electing a lesbian mayor is more likely to be the cause of the storm than climate change.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20956.html



Emmanuel Macron's Africa refugee plan condemned as 'racist and inhumane'


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Looks like a riveting event


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