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Well, look at that. Times front page follow-up on David Jones. Russian influence op of 'scale not seen before in UK'

Damon Evans‏ @damocrat 2h2 hours ago
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Lord Harris: “Brexit will give more opportunities to young”
Humprhys: “How?”
LH:”I just feel it will be better”

FEEL?!

Alan Firth ‏ @diponte 2h2 hours ago
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Lord Harris on #r4today: 'Brexit will be good for the UK because retailers like me can make people work more than 35 hours a week'.
WTFF?

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Seems like Danny Finkelstein has had a bit of a nervous breakdown over Laura Pidcock. As a certain somebody likes to say - sad!

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Not really - the way some people are willing to airbrush out the wave of sheer hatred unleashed on Corbyn in the last few years, to take just one obvious example, is revealing.

And are you really unaware of sites like Guido's?

Anyway, the assertion by Danny F today was that it was only a short step from Pidcock's comments to "the Stasi".

Along with many others, I find that delusional deranged and desperate

Willow904 wrote:
The right wing press will take any opportunity to paint left wingers as the bad guys, we know this. We ended up with bland Labour politicians weighing every word for this very reason. Laura Piddock's comments are interesting to me because of the lack of care in considering that some of the votes needed to win a majority will need to come from people who sympathise enough with Tory values to sometimes vote for them. She said what she thought and there was nothing wrong in what she said, but it seems to me she was addressing her supporters, not those that Labour need to win over and as the Times article is on this theme - how does socialism work if not everyone is on board, how do you get everyone to play their part - it seemed a reasonable enough response to me.

I think the response from the left to this is to pick up and keep putting forward one of the main and compelling points that Pidcock made about how can you be friends with someone who actively votes for and supports policies that are, for example, clearly discriminatory against disabled people or increase child poverty. The left is struggling a little to land any blows in this area and yet we are talking about policies that aren't defensible without a lot of dissemination. I guess I'm talking about focussing more on the policies than ideology. Rather in the way I've always expressed my dislike of Rees-Mogg not for his being a privileged Tory toff but for the way he chooses to make his money. It's about choices. You can like a person, George Osborne is said to be quite personable for instance, whilst still condemning the choices they make and the policies they pursue.

If any of that makes any sense.

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Have been out on visits since 10am this morning. Home to find both twitter and email hacked. Passwords changed

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh.

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Have been out on visits since 10am this morning. Home to find both twitter and email hacked. Passwords changed

Of course.

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William Hague speaking on BBC Radio 5: "I don't think calling the election was a mistake. I think the result was a mistake".

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Willow904 wrote:
The right wing press will take any opportunity to paint left wingers as the bad guys, we know this. We ended up with bland Labour politicians weighing every word for this very reason. Laura Piddock's comments are interesting to me because of the lack of care in considering that some of the votes needed to win a majority will need to come from people who sympathise enough with Tory values to sometimes vote for them. She said what she thought and there was nothing wrong in what she said, but it seems to me she was addressing her supporters, not those that Labour need to win over and as the Times article is on this theme - how does socialism work if not everyone is on board, how do you get everyone to play their part - it seemed a reasonable enough response to me.

I think the response from the left to this is to pick up and keep putting forward one of the main and compelling points that Pidcock made about how can you be friends with someone who actively votes for and supports policies that are, for example, clearly discriminatory against disabled people or increase child poverty. The left is struggling a little to land any blows in this area and yet we are talking about policies that aren't defensible without a lot of dissemination. I guess I'm talking about focussing more on the policies than ideology. Rather in the way I've always expressed my dislike of Rees-Mogg not for his being a privileged Tory toff but for the way he chooses to make his money. It's about choices. You can like a person, George Osborne is said to be quite personable for instance, whilst still condemning the choices they make and the policies they pursue.

If any of that makes any sense.

To me Pidcock was talking about fellow MPs, not voters, do people who sometimes vote tory identify with their MPs to that extent?

I would make a distinction between, say, having a pint with Osborne and actually liking him, surely it goes no further than him being tolerable company, you could say that about William Hague too, I've met him a couple of times.
I don't think I could even have a drink with eg Sarah Wollaston, mind. Utter hypocrite.

Did you mean dissembling?

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William Hague speaking on BBC Radio 5: "I don't think calling the election was a mistake. I think the result was a mistake".

Huh?

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William Hague speaking on BBC Radio 5: "I don't think calling the election was a mistake. I think the result was a mistake".

Huh?

"They [the EU] know that the result of the British election weakened the British government’s negotiating position. It absolutely did. Of course [Theresa May is] not in anything like as strong a position as if she’d won a majority of 60 or 100 or whatever it might have been in the House of Commons.

So Britain will get a worse deal as a result of the election. I think there is no question about that."

- William Hague

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... 86addbb702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA wrote:

"They [the EU] know that the result of the British election weakened the British government’s negotiating position. It absolutely did. Of course [Theresa May is] not in anything like as strong a position as if she’d won a majority of 60 or 100 or whatever it might have been in the House of Commons.

So Britain will get a worse deal as a result of the election. I think there is no question about that."

- William Hague

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... 86addbb702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA wrote:https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/201 ... gust-2017/


There is coverage in today’s newspapers and on broadcast media of the case of a man born and raised in the UK who had found he was not considered a British citizen. We have since clarified the facts in this case.

A Home Office spokesperson said:
We have now established that Mr Ridge is automatically a British citizen. We have spoken with Mr Ridge to apologise for this error and the distress caused.
When Mr Ridge applied for Right of Abode, we did not identify that his maternal grandmother was British and that as a result his mother had settled status in the UK at the time of his birth.

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#BREAKING: Mother of 'Christian' child in Islamic foster row was from Muslim family, court papers show

It is understood the mother suffers from alcoholism and a possible cocaine addiction and had been arrested for prostitution.

The Prime Minister wants a UK-Japan trade deal based on the country's agreement with the EU
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Ms May will be pushing for progress on an “ambitious” trade deal ready for when the UK quits the European Union and will attempt to reassure Japanese businesses that the UK will not fall off a cliff-edge when it quits the EU.

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She [American commentator] tweeted that it's more credible that Houston electing a lesbian mayor is more likely to be the cause of the storm than climate change.