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3 employment rights that aren’t working for young mums and dads. And 2 rights that they should have.



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Hardly comment on the Guardian,just getting into.combat and they close the bloody thing.


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"The UN should keep their noses out,it is not as if it is a periodic review that all signatory Countries undergo,or anything"


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http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-bre ... d-11015205

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Mrs May has not made that clear with the public and now she is trapped. She must meet impossible promises not of her making but of her parroting. What she should do now is to change tack before it's too late and make clear that many of the promises made in the referendum are not possible in the short term.
But she can say that they might be in the future. The best chance the UK has is to agree to stay in the customs union and the single market for a lengthy transition, potentially for the next five to 10 years. In that time the UK would be able to work on a long term trade agreement and achieve the vision the Prime Minister set out in her Lancaster House speech.


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Liam Byrne note.That is a stunning departure from convicted r'us.


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http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-brexit-talks-cannot-succeed-11015205

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Mrs May has not made that clear with the public and now she is trapped. She must meet impossible promises not of her making but of her parroting. What she should do now is to change tack before it's too late and make clear that many of the promises made in the referendum are not possible in the short term.
But she can say that they might be in the future. The best chance the UK has is to agree to stay in the customs union and the single market for a lengthy transition, potentially for the next five to 10 years. In that time the UK would be able to work on a long term trade agreement and achieve the vision the Prime Minister set out in her Lancaster House speech.


If you look at the way Davis is behaving in 'negotiations' and at what disgraced former minister Liam Fox has been saying overnight...

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The international trade secretary, Liam Fox, has ratcheted up the government’s war of words with the EU over Brexit by saying Britain will not be “blackmailed” into paying an excessive exit settlement to speed up a deal.


... it seems increasingly likely that whatever the official line is, the actual policy the government are pursuing is to crash out without a deal, but ideally to not have to walk away, or let things dribble out to the end, but to be so obstructive and objectionable that eventually the EU negotiators will advise the member nations that it isn't worth talking to us. Barnier has played an admirably straight bat so far and it seems unlikely to me that they'll give up on making a deal in the way that we clearly have, but I can't see what the point is of us sticking out fingers in our ears and shouting 'we are not listening to you' whilst repeating the same rejected lines over and over again other than to make this fail. European diplomats can still talk diplomatically - Barnier says that perhaps the UK hasn't yet had a proper discussion about what it actually voted for - but they can also abandon diplomacy and tell us that out government's views are delusional and are magical thinking.

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http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-brexit-talks-cannot-succeed-11015205

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Mrs May has not made that clear with the public and now she is trapped. She must meet impossible promises not of her making but of her parroting. What she should do now is to change tack before it's too late and make clear that many of the promises made in the referendum are not possible in the short term.
But she can say that they might be in the future. The best chance the UK has is to agree to stay in the customs union and the single market for a lengthy transition, potentially for the next five to 10 years. In that time the UK would be able to work on a long term trade agreement and achieve the vision the Prime Minister set out in her Lancaster House speech.


If you look at the way Davis is behaving in 'negotiations' and at what disgraced former minister Liam Fox has been saying overnight...

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The international trade secretary, Liam Fox, has ratcheted up the government’s war of words with the EU over Brexit by saying Britain will not be “blackmailed” into paying an excessive exit settlement to speed up a deal.


... it seems increasingly likely that whatever the official line is, the actual policy the government are pursuing is to crash out without a deal, but ideally to not have to walk away, or let things dribble out to the end, but to be so obstructive and objectionable that eventually the EU negotiators will advise the member nations that it isn't worth talking to us. Barnier has played an admirably straight bat so far and it seems unlikely to me that they'll give up on making a deal in the way that we clearly have, but I can't see what the point is of us sticking out fingers in our ears and shouting 'we are not listening to you' whilst repeating the same rejected lines over and over again other than to make this fail. European diplomats can still talk diplomatically - Barnier says that perhaps the UK hasn't yet had a proper discussion about what it actually voted for - but they can also abandon diplomacy and tell us that out government's views are delusional and are magical thinking.

Yes very worrying.

It may be simpler than that though Adam.

They haven't got a sodding clue what they are doing, have no ideas how to get out of the mess and are simply falling back on racheting up the jingoism as Dave did before them. Plucky Liam and David standing up to Brussels.

Whatever, I agree they are clearly not going to get a deal. So what happens next?


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It's all the EU's fault.


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"So what happens next?"


A fag and a cup of tea?

But that's my solution to everything.


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Morning all.

Lots to do after yesterday's kerfuffle.

I've seen tweets which seem to suggest that the EU should automatically do a deal with us which benefits the UK. Why would they do that?

If you're in trade negotiations you do a deal which benefits you - that's kinda the whole point of doing it.

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Mrs May has not made that clear with the public and now she is trapped. She must meet impossible promises not of her making but of her parroting. What she should do now is to change tack before it's too late and make clear that many of the promises made in the referendum are not possible in the short term.
But she can say that they might be in the future. The best chance the UK has is to agree to stay in the customs union and the single market for a lengthy transition, potentially for the next five to 10 years. In that time the UK would be able to work on a long term trade agreement and achieve the vision the Prime Minister set out in her Lancaster House speech.

I like this bit.
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A lengthy transition would allow Brussels to say that Britain had paid a price. That in order to keep the economic advantages of the EU she had to stay in its institutions whilst being in the cold outside for some time. She would have no say in its rules and she wouldn't be able to negotiate new trade deals. She would also have to continue to pay substantial sums and be part of the ECJ. The UK would be in the "political purgatory" Theresa May would say she wanted to avoid. An EU waiting room for misbehaving children.

There was talk a year ago that the only tory plan for Brexit was to walk out of the talks about now.

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Oliver Milne‏Verified account @OliverMilne 19h19 hours ago

Source close to Richard Leonard confirms he is standing in upcoming Scottish Labour Leadership race.

Oliver Milne‏Verified account @OliverMilne 19h19 hours ago

Anas Sarwar has spent last 24hrs pulling together team and endorsements. Also hit the ground running and printed a first round of leaflets.

Oliver Milne‏Verified account @OliverMilne

Both had informal conversations with the big three unions yesterday. So yeah it's a going to be a Sarwar v Leonard race.


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Another one bailing out...

May’s deputy political director quits Number 10 to join Portland

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The mass evacuation from Downing Street of Theresa May’s aides has continued with the departure of Nick Hargrave, deputy political director, to join communications group Portland.

Mr Hargrave has little or no public profile but had until now played a key role in Number 10 as one of the prime minister’s special advisers. Before that, his jobs included speech writer to David Cameron and political adviser at the Conservative Research Department.

His is the latest in a rash of departures from Mrs May’s administration, after its humiliating setback in the general election.

The news is likely to be announced next week as Portland hires three former Downing Street staff, including Will Tanner, former deputy head of the Number 10 policy unit under Mrs May and previously her adviser at the Home Office.

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Activate is so yesterday - "Our Conviction" is apparently the new "Tory Momentum".

There are also some (highly believable) spoof accounts going around :)


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Quote from Liam Fox -

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“And I had representations from businesses from across Europe – from Germany, from Spain – to say: ‘Can we put more pressure on the commission to try and get us a better idea of what that final picture will look like because we need to maintain an open and liberal trading environment in Europe?’”(Guardian)


I was obviously wrong in thinking that Spain and Germany were in the EU and, as members, had their own channels to the Commission. Once again, I must bow to Liam Fox's superior knowledge.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/01/liam-fox-uk-blackmailed-eu-brexit-deal


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RIP the Yellow Pages.


Joan Rhodes?

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RIP the Yellow Pages.


Yet another thing to blame the internet for then.

So that's the YP and the lack of an Our Price in my town. or HMV for that matter. I'm sure there's more...

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Oh, by the way -

Liam Fox (again - sorry) whose grasp of English vocabulary is sadly lacking -

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blackmail
ˈblakmeɪl/
noun
noun: blackmail

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the action, treated as a criminal offence, of demanding money from someone in return for not revealing compromising information which one has about them.


Stupid man.

Edited to add - unless he was thinking about himself (it wouldn't be the first, or the last, time)


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Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 13h13 hours ago
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North Worle result:

LAB: 36.4% (+21.7)
CON: 32.4% (+3.7)
LDEM: 16.4% (+4.1)
IND: 8.2% (+8.2)
UKIP: 6.7% (-14.6)

No NSF (-23.1) as prev.

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Activate is so yesterday - "Our Conviction" is apparently the new "Tory Momentum".

There are also some (highly believable) spoof accounts going around :)

I thought the name, Dementum, an apt name for a Tory youth political club
saw it posted elsewhere on yesterday's political blog


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I'm beginning to wonder if SpinningHugo is in fact Kezia Dugdale?

He seems to have disappeared since commenting on her resignation ;-)


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David Davis is about to speak to the US Chamber of Commerce (Sky TV News).

Dare I watch?

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I'm beginning to wonder if SpinningHugo is in fact Kezia Dugdale?

He seems to have disappeared since commenting on her resignation ;-)

And they both have ug in the middle of their names ;-)


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David Davis is about to speak to the US Chamber of Commerce (Sky TV News).

Dare I watch?

Edited - typo

Likely to be utterly excruciating I agree!


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Size of margins raises concerns department has incentive to reject applicants on technicalities, forcing them to reapply

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I read it hoping the title was sensationalised, it's not, in my opinion. The department has had huge budget cuts already and told to make further reductions in expenditure, it's an impossible request. Please do read the article if you've the time and inclination. I'd like to know your thoughts on it.


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Captain Pugwash seeking legal advice.


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Simon Jenkins doesn't understand the definition of blackmail either
Do read it to the end, if deciding to read it at all
It's mercifully short

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder if SpinningHugo is in fact Kezia Dugdale?

He seems to have disappeared since commenting on her resignation ;-)


Tom Watson's clever plan to get her a place on the NEC could yet end up looking a bit silly. Who would ever have thought??


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I remember when a rumour went around that Mona BTL on the Daily Politics back in the day was actually Nadine Dorries.

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Afternoon all.

Just back from the hospital where I managed to get to see my wife for the first time since Monday. She's still in the high dependency unit but has a nurse in the room pretty much all the time - real 1-to-1 care. happy to report that all's going well and they hope to move her back to a normal ward in a couple of days or so. Phew!

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Simon Jenkins doesn't understand the definition of blackmail either
Do read it to the end, if deciding to read it at all
It's mercifully short

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... gotiations

We'll add that to the list of many, many things that Jenkins doesn't understand.


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I remember when a rumour went around that Mona BTL on the Daily Politics back in the day was actually Nadine Dorries.


It wasn't her, but I do wonder if it was someone fairly well connected. Of course, they reappeared BTL several times with different "identities".


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Simon Jenkins doesn't understand the definition of blackmail either
Do read it to the end, if deciding to read it at all
It's mercifully short

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... gotiations

We'll add that to the list of many, many things that Jenkins doesn't understand.


Like trains.

He was calling out Crossrail as a waste of money a few years ago.


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I remember when a rumour went around that Mona BTL on the Daily Politics back in the day was actually Nadine Dorries.


It wasn't her, but I do wonder if it was someone fairly well connected. Of course, they reappeared BTL several times with different "identities".


You could always tell though - same as Hugo. I remember when Burgau was banned and kept coming back - he was easy to spot too.

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This is what Brexit is all about.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41119355

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Sales of vacuum cleaners producing more noise and heat than suction are restricted under EU rules from today.
Vacuum cleaners using more than 900 watts and emitting more than 80 decibels will be banned when stocks run out.


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Energy efficiency, boost for European manufacturing, everyone's a winner, eh?

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"But we must retain the right to make and use sensible full-powered appliances in the UK. This shows why we must not agree to be bound by EU rules after Brexit."


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Britain, freeing itself to buy inefficient Chinese vacuum cleaners.


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