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Just read this article linked last night:

http://www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk/n ... -1-5188326
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He claimed one girl, who was “a bag of nerves”, had been told if she did not look teachers in the eye when greeting them, she could leave.


No doubt if pressed on this the school would deny it, as it's discrimination pure and simple. Autistic children often can't make eye contact but they are entitled to an inclusive education. Making rules that exclude them is not acceptable, but that is undoubtedly what these strict rules are about. Not being allowed to leave your seat for any reason? Kids with ADHD will soon being seeking places at other schools. Push out kids with developmental issues and your exam results will go up, not because you are a better school but because you are selecting better pupils.

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Labour Support Reaches 50% in Wales: the new Welsh Political Barometer Poll


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Just read this article linked last night:

http://www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk/n ... -1-5188326
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He claimed one girl, who was “a bag of nerves”, had been told if she did not look teachers in the eye when greeting them, she could leave.


No doubt if pressed on this the school would deny it, as it's discrimination pure and simple. Autistic children often can't make eye contact but they are entitled to an inclusive education. Making rules that exclude them is not acceptable, but that is undoubtedly what these strict rules are about. Not being allowed to leave your seat for any reason? Kids with ADHD will soon being seeking places at other schools. Push out kids with developmental issues and your exam results will go up, not because you are a better school but because you are selecting better pupils.

That's how it seems to me, anyway.


In a different way, eye contact can be an issue with boys, (particularly boys), from Jamaican heritage - I'm generalising, obviously, but they can see eye contact as confrontational so choosing to look away is showing appropriate deference, even when it's not what you want.

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That school sounds utterly horrible, and some of the reported practices verge on child abuse.

And weren't academies meant to be about "choice" anyway?? It seems like many parents have no option other than to send their kids to this atrocity.


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Just read this article linked last night:

http://www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk/n ... -1-5188326
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He claimed one girl, who was “a bag of nerves”, had been told if she did not look teachers in the eye when greeting them, she could leave.


No doubt if pressed on this the school would deny it, as it's discrimination pure and simple. Autistic children often can't make eye contact but they are entitled to an inclusive education. Making rules that exclude them is not acceptable, but that is undoubtedly what these strict rules are about. Not being allowed to leave your seat for any reason? Kids with ADHD will soon being seeking places at other schools. Push out kids with developmental issues and your exam results will go up, not because you are a better school but because you are selecting better pupils.

That's how it seems to me, anyway.

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That place sounds terrible. I could never have worked in a place like that. A few years ago, a I worked in a pretty rough school in County Durham & we advertised for a science teacher. We had 11 applications from a single school in the region, one run along the same lines as this place. I've no doubt the staff hate this bullying culture and I bet there is a pretty high turnover.


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I particularly think punishment for things that happen by accident is inappropriate. Confiscating a phone because it has gone off once during class seems completely out of proportion, especially the timescales we are talking about. If phones are a real problem I feel it is better to ban them completely, as this is a rule that is harder to break by accident. Having said that, mobile phones are a part of modern life. A school that can't manage to teach children how to use them responsibly and appropriately is a school that is admitting it doesn't have the skills to prepare children for the wider world. Taking phones away is a cop out, really. How does a child learn to remember to put it on silent when in class if they don't have it with them? If someone expects children to learn anything without first making a few mistakes I really do have to question how on earth they ever got to be in charge of a school.

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CAB Report into UC and creation/exacerbation of debt.


https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/about ... -and-debt/


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The left wing slate has taken both membership seats for Labour's Conference Arrangements Committee, and by a substantial margin.


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The left wing slate has taken both membership seats for Labour's Conference Arrangements Committee, and by a substantial margin.

I await the "It's a disahster dahling" post shortly :twisted:


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Well done Flint & Field :toss:


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Good to see WatO sticking to the important questions:
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Well done Flint & Field :toss:


Last June, CF said Corbyn should resign because Brexit was his fault. She's now going to vote for May's Enabling Act.

I put her 2nd in the deputy election in 2015. Embarrassed by that now.


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Afternoon all. Insurance paid out remarkably quickly for the stolen car and so I went and bought a new one this morning.

Glad I didn't bother with edu questions in the Commons...

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Most questions have been totally avoided in this #EduQs. Not even cleverly. Just utter fluff. What a waste of time.


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Greening apparently took some stick for her non-answer over that trust shutting.

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Whataboutery at its finest...

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Greening is the sort of minister who passes muster when things are going OK. But any hint of a problem and they go to pieces.


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I'm following (on Politics Live, Guardian) the coverage of the EU withdrawal bill.

There's no thoughtful, or polite, way of putting this so -

Are Caroline Flint and Frank Field thick, or what?


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I'm following (on Politics Live, Guardian) the coverage of the EU withdrawal bill.

There's no thoughtful, or polite, way of putting this so -

Are Caroline Flint and Frank Field thick, or what?

QTWTAIY?


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I have been told Edward Leigh was impressive in this debate earlier. I am as shocked by that, if true, as the rest of you doubtless are.


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They should of course vote against, but this Bill is trivial. There is no real alternative to it or something just like it if you want Brexit and Labour hasn't suggested one. Legislative scrutiny of all that is re-enacted isn't an option.


The important vote was back in March,and Labour was on the wrong side.

There might have been some fun embarrassing the Tories, but that is just politics as a game.


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I'm following (on Politics Live, Guardian) the coverage of the EU withdrawal bill.

There's no thoughtful, or polite, way of putting this so -

Are Caroline Flint and Frank Field thick, or what?

Perhaps their contributions are in code of some sort?
a message
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I have been told Edward Leigh was impressive in this debate earlier. I am as shocked by that, if true, as the rest of you doubtless are.

if he renounced his title, Tory/UKIP MP party affiliation and dedicated his life and assets for the benefit of all people and nation, I'd be impressed


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PorFavor wrote:
I'm following (on Politics Live, Guardian) the coverage of the EU withdrawal bill.

There's no thoughtful, or polite, way of putting this so -

Are Caroline Flint and Frank Field thick, or what?


Not sure about Field (was listening, but brain auto filtered him out), but Flint must think their constituents are, or at least to dim to be worth trying to explain the difference between blocking brexit & blocking a dangerously flawed bill, to.


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Really strong twitter thread here on the repeal bill:

https://mobile.twitter.com/WomaninHavan ... 9761550336
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You have to ask why the govt - this one or any future govt of any political persuasion - needs *such* drastically wide powers. /15

You have to ask why the Govt thought it acceptable to present a Bill in this format, with such sweeping powers & such little scrutiny /16

Short answer is, though it needs some flexibility, it doesn't need powers like this. It shd never have presented a Bill in this shape. /17


A flavour of the linked thread for those not on twitter.

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They should of course vote against, but this Bill is trivial. There is no real alternative to it or something just like it if you want Brexit and Labour hasn't suggested one. Legislative scrutiny of all that is re-enacted isn't an option.


The important vote was back in March,and Labour was on the wrong side.

There might have been some fun embarrassing the Tories, but that is just politics as a game.

Giving powers to the government to enact legislation without oversight is trivial?????


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You have to ask why the govt - this one or any future govt of any political persuasion - needs *such* drastically wide powers. /15

You have to ask why the Govt thought it acceptable to present a Bill in this format, with such sweeping powers & such little scrutiny /16

Short answer is, though it needs some flexibility, it doesn't need powers like this. It shd never have presented a Bill in this shape. /17


A flavour of the linked thread for those not on twitter.

Nah, it's a trivial thing. See above.


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Is Ohso's family okay? Anyone know, please?


Thanks for asking. Haven't heard from them yet. Will probably have to wait until they have power back on.

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Margaret Beckett on good form.


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They should of course vote against, but this Bill is trivial. There is no real alternative to it or something just like it if you want Brexit and Labour hasn't suggested one. Legislative scrutiny of all that is re-enacted isn't an option.


The important vote was back in March,and Labour was on the wrong side.

There might have been some fun embarrassing the Tories, but that is just politics as a game.


A highly predictable take.

Of course, the reality is that Labour voting against A50 was never a feasible option - and wouldn't have been whoever the leader was.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
They should of course vote against, but this Bill is trivial. There is no real alternative to it or something just like it if you want Brexit and Labour hasn't suggested one. Legislative scrutiny of all that is re-enacted isn't an option.


The important vote was back in March,and Labour was on the wrong side.

There might have been some fun embarrassing the Tories, but that is just politics as a game.


A highly predictable take.

Of course, the reality is that Labour voting against A50 was never a feasible option - and wouldn't have been whoever the leader was.


I don't see why the public would have found it so hard to understand the position Corbyn put forward last November, of red lines on stuff most people agree with anyway, not least Labour's leave voters.

But it's still game on, and of course it's important to vote against this bill.


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They should of course vote against, but this Bill is trivial. There is no real alternative to it or something just like it if you want Brexit and Labour hasn't suggested one. Legislative scrutiny of all that is re-enacted isn't an option.


The important vote was back in March,and Labour was on the wrong side.

There might have been some fun embarrassing the Tories, but that is just politics as a game.


I may have misunderstood, but surely clause one isn't necessary? Surely the bill could place the naming of Brexit day in the hands of Parliament rather than a minister? I mean, surely we're not in such a rush that we can't take the time for Parliament to debate and approve the government's negotiated exit and date of commencement?

Labour's policy has always been for Parliament to have a meaningful vote on the exit terms. If this bill goes through unamended that battle is already lost. May will have complete control of Brexit. There is nothing inevitable about this bill. It's disproportionate and audacious. It's as great a test of the checks and balances of our democratic system as anything Trump has done.

Any word on what happens when this goes to the Lords? Are attempts to amend it likely to happen there? As I see little hope of successful opposition or amendment in the Commons, unfortunately. There are no Tories of principle any more and Labour has too many twits.

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Sorry - vague on details here - but an SNP bloke suggested that those blasé about voting in favour of the bill are acting as if we still have the safety net of the EU to protect us and pull us out of the clag (I paraphrase).


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I have been told Edward Leigh was impressive in this debate earlier. I am as shocked by that, if true, as the rest of you doubtless are.

Links to Leigh today

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They should of course vote against, but this Bill is trivial. There is no real alternative to it or something just like it if you want Brexit and Labour hasn't suggested one. Legislative scrutiny of all that is re-enacted isn't an option.


The important vote was back in March,and Labour was on the wrong side.

There might have been some fun embarrassing the Tories, but that is just politics as a game.


A highly predictable take.

Of course, the reality is that Labour voting against A50 was never a feasible option - and wouldn't have been whoever the leader was.


I don't see why the public would have found it so hard to understand the position Corbyn put forward last November, of red lines on stuff most people agree with anyway, not least Labour's leave voters.

But it's still game on, and of course it's important to vote against this bill.


Although I agree with SH (and Caroline Lucas) that Labour should have been more robust in opposing May's article 50 timetable, SH appears to be forgetting that it would nevertheless have gone through, with or without Labour, so we would still have ended up where we are now. Indeed, if Corbyn hadn't been so deceptively unpopular in the polls that May was tempted by a snap election, we would have been here with even less chance of preventing this monstrosity of a bill. Weird times.

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Is Ohso's family okay? Anyone know, please?


Thanks for asking. Haven't heard from them yet. Will probably have to wait until they have power back on.

Hurrah!
I love you, Ohso!
Thank you for being here and letting me know.
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Is Ohso's family okay? Anyone know, please?


Thanks for asking. Haven't heard from them yet. Will probably have to wait until they have power back on.


Have just heard from Granddaughter. She is okay. Boynton Beach in South East Florida, which is where she is, escaped the worst of it at the last moment. Daughter is in North West Florida. She and her husband are okay. No power though.

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Sounds like Chris Bryant was good (from AS Blog):
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On the whole, the Tudor exercise was not a proud demonstration of democracy. These are clauses that Erdogan, Maduro and Putin would be proud of.
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This bill is utterly pernicious, it is dangerous, it is fundamentally un-British and I think that it has at its heart a lie. It pretends to bring back power to this country, but it actually represents the biggest peace time power grab by the executive over the legislature, by the government over parliament, in 100 years.
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Look at the track record of this government. Because what they’ve done recently, they’ve engaged in what I would, frankly, call jiggery-pokery with the DUP to try and make sure that they have a majority, and let’s hope we do end up having a vote when it comes to an estimates day on the 1 billion for the DUP.

They delayed the setting up of select committees until now, so that it will be impossible for people to scrutinise many of the things that are going through during the summer months.

Tomorrow, they’re trying to make sure that for the first time in our history, the government which doesn’t have a majority in this House has a majority on every single committee. If that doesn’t make you question the bona fides of this government, nothing will.


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Is Ohso's family okay? Anyone know, please?

Thanks for asking. Haven't heard from them yet. Will probably have to wait until they have power back on.

Have just heard from Granddaughter. She is okay. Boynton Beach in South East Florida, which is where she is, escaped the worst of it at the last moment. Daughter is in North West Florida. She and her husband are okay. No power though.

Good to hear, thank you
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Autistic boy turned away from Norwich college days after starting course


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refitman wrote:
Sounds like Chris Bryant was good (from AS Blog):
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On the whole, the Tudor exercise was not a proud demonstration of democracy. These are clauses that Erdogan, Maduro and Putin would be proud of.
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This bill is utterly pernicious, it is dangerous, it is fundamentally un-British and I think that it has at its heart a lie. It pretends to bring back power to this country, but it actually represents the biggest peace time power grab by the executive over the legislature, by the government over parliament, in 100 years.
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Look at the track record of this government. Because what they’ve done recently, they’ve engaged in what I would, frankly, call jiggery-pokery with the DUP to try and make sure that they have a majority, and let’s hope we do end up having a vote when it comes to an estimates day on the 1 billion for the DUP.

They delayed the setting up of select committees until now, so that it will be impossible for people to scrutinise many of the things that are going through during the summer months.

Tomorrow, they’re trying to make sure that for the first time in our history, the government which doesn’t have a majority in this House has a majority on every single committee. If that doesn’t make you question the bona fides of this government, nothing will.

He was. Here's his speech:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... bill-video


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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/sep/11/autistic-boy-turned-away-from-norwich-college-days-after-starting-course


Autistic boy turned away from Norwich college days after starting course


Sad story. With all children having to remain in education until 18, it makes little sense that this boy's school was turfing him out at 16 in the first place. Even less sense that a college could manage to enroll someone they had already turned down. Or a council couldn't contact someone over a 4 month period by any method. The fragmentation of education provision as it moves from the public to the private sector has been more rapid and devastating than I'd anticipated. We desperately need a new government to catch all the pieces and attempt to put them back together again with some proper regulation of the sector and proper accountability for provision of places before there's nothing left to salvage.

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Evening all

Just got back from (i) hospital visiting and (ii) a meeting of the local historical society.

This from edu questions. and note that it is supposed to be questions and not just "aren't we bloody great???"

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Suella Fernandes (Fareham) (Con)

Michaela Community School, a free school that I have the honour of chairing and having co-founded, was recently graded outstanding in its first Ofsted report. My right hon. Friend the Minister for School Standards has visited the school; will the ministerial team join me in congratulating the staff, teachers and pupils at Michaela—led by the inspirational Katharine Birbalsingh—who are transforming young people’s lives?


She really is an appalling politician.

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http://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/hal ... axes-rise/

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