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It's almost impossible to look at #LDConf and not troll them. Such easy targets.

"Look the BBC cameraman has got a photo guide to all the Lib Dem MPs"

Yep - all on one small page.

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Right, are they going to manage this with any contrition?

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Graham-Cassidy ACA Repeal Bill Would Cause Huge Premium Increases for People with Pre-Existing Conditions


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Out of Area Placements in Mental Health Services July 2017

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Staff shortages and rising demand have forced NHS trusts to hire non-NHS ambulances, leading to fears of lower care standards


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Boris Johnson would normally be sacked by now, says Ken Clarke
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ken-clarke

Define 'normally' Ken, because Boris is only the most extreme example of how ministers don't resign any more.

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Important pre-conference meeting for Labour's NEC today.


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F31a


Conference calls for:

1. Liberal Democrats across the UK to fight for the rights of deaf and disabled people in every sphere of their lives, and hold Governments and agencies to account.
2. The UK Government urgently to review its policies, to take immediate steps to remedy those highlighted by the UN and the Lords Select Committee report as failing, and to report back within 12 months.


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Boris Johnson would normally be sacked by now, says Ken Clarke
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ken-clarke

Define 'normally' Ken, because Boris is only the most extreme example of how ministers don't resign any more.

Exactly, Clarke's hand-wringing means nothing
Doesn't reassure me, doesn't indicate any saner heads in Tory government


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Tories let homelessness rise because they believe people deserve their poverty



I would argue far worse and misses the point to a degree.Needless to say I don't like the othering thing.Part of the reason they get away with it is precisely that.Sensible investment and accounting for circumstances,which we ALL could face is being dismantled.State reciprocity residualisation that creates the previously avoided.


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Particularly targeted at the sick/disabled/carers,hence my fascistically intended description.Views differ of course but why the purposeful exclusion (unlike the Saving Gateways Scheme,Osborne largely stole)in Help to Save,for those unable to work the necessary hours and only UC.eg.many receivers of CA are not on means tested benefits,it would have aided that situation.Only attending to(whilst needlesslycreating)the most "vulnerable" in both income and support terms is mindnumbingly stupid,in any case.


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Looks like a reasonable compromise done over the McDonnell amendment.

I'm impressed with the top table's ability to get stuff squared up with the minimum of fuss lately.


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gilsey wrote:
Boris Johnson would normally be sacked by now, says Ken Clarke
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ken-clarke

Define 'normally' Ken, because Boris is only the most extreme example of how ministers don't resign any more.


I think it's unusual in terms of its shitting on the leader.


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Good morfternoon.

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Looks like a reasonable compromise done over the McDonnell amendment.

I'm impressed with the top table's ability to get stuff squared up with the minimum of fuss lately.


Though it can be argued it is more of a compromise for Corbyn's opponents.

With the PLP moving modestly but discernably to the left after this year's GE, and that process likely to continue in the near future, 10% shouldn't be that onerous now.


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Police are investigating alleged financial irregularities at Lancashire county council when Ged Fitzgerald was in charge


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I'm still trying to catch up - in a "beat the clock" sort of way.


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Undergraduate economics teaching moves into 21st century

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(Bad enough,but it could have been the extended version)


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I always quite liked them tbh.


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Yeah,only joshing.


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Number of legal aid providers falls 20% in five years, figures show


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Looks like a reasonable compromise done over the McDonnell amendment.

I'm impressed with the top table's ability to get stuff squared up with the minimum of fuss lately.


Though it can be argued it is more of a compromise for Corbyn's opponents.

With the PLP moving modestly but discernably to the left after this year's GE, and that process likely to continue in the near future, 10% shouldn't be that onerous now.


15% wasn't onerous. Corbyn got more than that in the unofficial confidence vote.


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Quite a few MPs supposedly said they wouldn't "make the mistake" of "lending" their nomination to a left candidate in any future contest.

Reducing the threshold even to 10% will effectively take this out of their hands.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Quite a few MPs supposedly said they wouldn't "make the mistake" of "lending" their nomination to a left candidate in any future contest.

Reducing the threshold even to 10% will effectively take this out of their hands.

In any case, it is indeed good to see the party managing to avoid tripping itself up on these issues.

Hopefully Conference can really work up the idea of the government in waiting. It could be quite impressive!


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Looks like a reasonable compromise done over the McDonnell amendment.

I'm impressed with the top table's ability to get stuff squared up with the minimum of fuss lately.


Though it can be argued it is more of a compromise for Corbyn's opponents.

With the PLP moving modestly but discernably to the left after this year's GE, and that process likely to continue in the near future, 10% shouldn't be that onerous now.


The Campaign Group (or whatever polite name is allowed) has won.

McDonnell asked for more than he thought he could get, so the compromise is what he wanted in the first place.

But there is no point anyone opposing what Corbyn now wants as he now has a large majority of members and a majority of delegates.

The old "soft" left is now just a rump, with the Blairites nowhere (those that haven't left).

I don't really get why people like Richard Angell bother. I can see if you're an MP with poor job prospects why you'd stay, but for unpaid foot soldiers of the old moderate left there is no party left to fight for. Why are they bothering even trying? It is over. Purges next.

The only worry for the Corbynites, in a clear blue sky, is what would happen if Corbyn died as they have no viable candidate. But he looks a very spry, healthy 68.

The other worry is what on earth happens if the party actually won. Surely Corbyn couldn't persist in his current policy of who merits a frontbench place? Does loyalty really trump everything else? It is embarrassing in opposition, but would be a disaster in government,


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/19/trolls-social-media-voting-bar-electoral-commission


Abi Wilkinson has just returned to Twitter, though her account remains private at present.

She was driven off last time after fake tweets supposedly in her name were widely circulated.

Just think about that, somebody finds her mere public presence so threatening they feel the need to MAKE UP TWEETS :toss:


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"Venezuela"? Really Vince?


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Ever decreasing circles of any sense at all.I simply cannot compete.


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Have you been unable to shop due to poor accessibility?


Fuck off with the" less- abled "from the bloody Guardian,dickheads.


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I channelled that.I merely put it in writing.


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May have added "colour"


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There is an excellent book,unfortunately I cannot remember the name or author,where the World is structured for w/c users.Non users having to wear crash helmets etc


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The LibDems are always "considering" a graduate tax.


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I met Vince once.I am sure he will remember it,and Donal Dewar in the Glasgow underground he had to stoop to gain entry,Leon Brittain at Teesside Airport,Toby Perkins,Frances Maude at Chesterfield Station,Harry Barnes(ex MP)-I shouted Harry vigorously waved and he nearly walked in front of a car.


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Garscadden,because I like writing it.


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If you are over 5ft tall you have to stoop tbh(slight exaggeration/unless the trains have heightened)


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Like many I have always disagreed with some things,regardless.I recognise my view is mine and mine alone I don't expect people to agree in entirety(an actual worrying thought)Far too weak/unclear on some things to my mind,as ever they are competing interests/emphasis and conflictions.If you broadly want to get rid of the Tories from office and would much rather bemoan a Labour Government,it shouldn't be a puzzlement at all.


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https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... sal-credit


The problems with Universal Credit

Universal Credit is in danger of going down in flames because of a decision that is not absolutely intrinsic to its design, argues Nicholas Timmins.


(Needless to say UC from inception and clear for all to see if they wished removed pre existing benefits/the ability to work and receive housing support for homeowners etc as "simplification",to be fair any such attempt would necessarilly entail "what to do with" scenarios you have to make losers,apply generally at vast expense or keep the complexity and get back to where you started.


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And paradoxically in some cases makes things,actually more binary than previously.



PTO after next one.


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HindleA wrote:
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Voting rights are not a special privilege. They are not something the state should be able to take away as a form of petty discipline, like a parent deciding an obstinate child should go to bed without dessert. So it’s worrying to see the Electoral Commission recommend that “social media trolls” be punished in this manner, treating a core civil right as something that can be blithely withdrawn.
Exactly
I'm astounded that such an idea is seriously mooted
I'm astounded UK citizens in prison are banned from voting
astounded UK citizens living outside the UK for 15 years banned from voting
I shouldn't be so astounded


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