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Labour to offer some women earlier retirement option
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Labour to offer some women earlier retirement option
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HindleA wrote:Morning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41381583" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Labour to offer some women earlier retirement option
This shouldn't be done. Frances Coppola is good on this.
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Thought the horse's head in the bed got the point across well,to be fair.
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HindleA wrote:Thought the horse's head in the bed got the point across well,to be fair.
I wonder how often she hears that insult (or at least a comprehensible version of it) on a daily basis?
Frances is really good on lots of issues.
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I'm not familiar with Frances Coppola - I can't find any information on her.SpinningHugo wrote:HindleA wrote:Thought the horse's head in the bed got the point across well,to be fair.
I wonder how often she hears that insult (or at least a comprehensible version of it) on a daily basis?
Frances is really good on lots of issues.
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Good morfternoon.
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Try Google. She is the first entry.PorFavor wrote:I'm not familiar with Frances Coppola - I can't find any information on her.SpinningHugo wrote:HindleA wrote:Thought the horse's head in the bed got the point across well,to be fair.
I wonder how often she hears that insult (or at least a comprehensible version of it) on a daily basis?
Frances is really good on lots of issues.
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Continued support of a Party,doesn't of course mean,as you suggest unthinkingly,unthinking support and/or policies.The biggest frustration I had under Labour was the DWP actively working against other progressive aims,where,in effect,investment was presented/dealt with as a problem,rather than part of the solution.It still retains,but at least Abraham's seem to get it,to a degree,unlike predecessors.That is not to say,by any means I will suspend criticism,where I see fit.
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McDonnell still burbling on about tariff free access in radio 4.
Tariffs are not the problem as he must surely know.
Just awful.
Tariffs are not the problem as he must surely know.
Just awful.
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How is it an insult,for goodness sake.It is self mocking.
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HindleA wrote:How is it an insult,for goodness sake.It is self mocking.
You are a woman whose name sounds the same as the director of the Godfather?
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Cat Smith and Emily Thornberry both going with the line that Labour didn't lose the election.
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McDonnell now adds construction to nationalisation list.
Bonkers.
Bonkers.
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Why? With evidence and argument please?SpinningHugo wrote:McDonnell now adds construction to nationalisation list.
Bonkers.
And good morning
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Perhaps,she may tend not to read FTN,but who knows.If so I have now made it clear.
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We have a functioning competitive market in construction. That will be lost.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Why? With evidence and argument please?SpinningHugo wrote:McDonnell now adds construction to nationalisation list.
Bonkers.
And good morning
The state has, globally but especially in the UK, proven poor at running businesses like this because it is subject to producer capture (which is why producers like it).
The opportunity costs are enormous.
It would necessitate leaving the single market, as contrary to state aid and competition rules.
(Corbyn and McDonnell are not very closet Lexiters)
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I didn't build that bloody wall,despite fifty years of people asking how long it look.
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Morning all.
Hugo playing to the gallery again I see.
And "try Google"?
If there's something worth reading on the subject in question try adding a link. Oh, and lighten up.
Hugo playing to the gallery again I see.
And "try Google"?
If there's something worth reading on the subject in question try adding a link. Oh, and lighten up.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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Thanks. On the penultimate point (if you count the last line as a point ), this very recent blog is quite useful.SpinningHugo wrote:We have a functioning competitive market in construction. That will be lost.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Why? With evidence and argument please?SpinningHugo wrote:McDonnell now adds construction to nationalisation list.
Bonkers.
And good morning
The state has, globally but especially in the UK, proven poor at running businesses like this because it is subject to producer capture (which is why producers like it).
The opportunity costs are enormous.
It would necessitate leaving the single market, as contrary to state aid and competition rules.
(Corbyn and McDonnell are not very closet Lexiters)
http://www.renewal.org.uk/blog/eu-law-i ... -programme" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Neither EU state aid rules, nor other EU rules which are distinct from state aid rules but sometimes considered in the same bracket, provide any obvious barrier to the implementation in the UK of the measures contained in Labour’s 2017 election manifesto.
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I think you must be the only one who looks at "the gallery". I don't.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Hugo playing to the gallery again I see.
And "try Google"?
If there's something worth reading on the subject in question try adding a link. Oh, and lighten up.
I do sometimes pop over to Another Place to read the usual self reinforcing consensus.
And m on my phone as traveling for work. Links are tricky, and she has written extensively about it. Not hard to find.
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To reinforce your consensus,of course.
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As you know I spend some time in Another Place. Maybe the same one you refer to. There is indeed one subject on which there is almost complete consensusSpinningHugo wrote:I think you must be the only one who looks at "the gallery". I don't.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Hugo playing to the gallery again I see.
And "try Google"?
If there's something worth reading on the subject in question try adding a link. Oh, and lighten up.
I do sometimes pop over to Another Place to read the usual self reinforcing consensus.
And m on my phone as traveling for work. Links are tricky, and she has written extensively about it. Not hard to find.
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No objection to a double booking.
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Today's agenda,for those interested.
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Did the weather hold out,for clothes drying purposes and have you finshed the ironing?
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I also like to spend time at Another Place although I don't get there as often as I'd like.
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Then maybe just say "She has written about this something but can't post the link right now."SpinningHugo wrote: And m on my phone as traveling for work. Links are tricky, and she has written extensively about it. Not hard to find.
It costs nothing to be polite...
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Indeed, a dose of politeness would be good.
We don't have moderators here, so self-moderation is needed both in respect of fellow posters here, and on other sites, who could take offence.
We don't have moderators here, so self-moderation is needed both in respect of fellow posters here, and on other sites, who could take offence.
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Thanks. On the penultimate point (if you count the last line as a point ), this very recent blog is quite useful.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:[We have a functioning competitive market in construction. That will be lost.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Why? With evidence and argument please?SpinningHugo wrote:McDonnell now adds construction to nationalisation list.
Bonkers.
And good morning
The state has, globally but especially in the UK, proven poor at running businesses like this because it is subject to producer capture (which is why producers like it).
The opportunity costs are enormous.
It would necessitate leaving the single market, as contrary to state aid and competition rules.
(Corbyn and McDonnell are not very closet Lexiters)
http://www.renewal.org.uk/blog/eu-law-i ... -programme" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
[/quote]Neither EU state aid rules, nor other EU rules which are distinct from state aid rules but sometimes considered in the same bracket, provide any obvious barrier to the implementation in the UK of the measures contained in Labour’s 2017 election manifesto.
I agree with the blog.
Good luck nationalising the construction industry in the single market.
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I've found this -
which people here might find interesting.
It's by Hugh Pemberton* - but I found it by Googling Frances Coppola.
*About the author
Hugh Pemberton is Reader in Contemporary British History at the University of Bristol. He is presently the Principle Investigator on the Arts and Humanities Research Council project ‘Thatcher’s Pension Reforms and their Consequences’ and has written extensively on the history of British politics since the Second World War.
http://www.historyandpolicy.org/opinion ... r-problemsWomen Against State Pension Inequality: a distraction from deeper problems
which people here might find interesting.
It's by Hugh Pemberton* - but I found it by Googling Frances Coppola.
*About the author
Hugh Pemberton is Reader in Contemporary British History at the University of Bristol. He is presently the Principle Investigator on the Arts and Humanities Research Council project ‘Thatcher’s Pension Reforms and their Consequences’ and has written extensively on the history of British politics since the Second World War.
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Decision
CAC Outcome: UCU & University of Southampton
Decision
CAC Outcome: UCU & University of Southampton
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Something that is interesting as we settle into (?) the Corbyn era of the Labour Party is a move from (I don't know what the right words are here) a "rational" approach to policy to a "campaigning" approach.PorFavor wrote:I've found this -
http://www.historyandpolicy.org/opinion ... r-problemsWomen Against State Pension Inequality: a distraction from deeper problems
which people here might find interesting.
It's by Hugh Pemberton* - but I found it by Googling Frances Coppola.
*About the author
Hugh Pemberton is Reader in Contemporary British History at the University of Bristol. He is presently the Principle Investigator on the Arts and Humanities Research Council project ‘Thatcher’s Pension Reforms and their Consequences’ and has written extensively on the history of British politics since the Second World War.
This is not to say I think the latter is irrational. It's a different way of working that may end up in the same place. So WASPI have caught the public imagination and media attention. One could say, but we need to consider everyone else in the same situation to be rational. And this could risk losing the political momentum. Or one could say let's roll with this, get a change near legislation and then check to make sure it's fair.
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Naomi Klein is this years,international speaker tomorrow.
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You've changed your picture,whereas Glenis Willmott hasn't changed her blouse from yesterday(unless she has two exactly the same).As ever,I bring the vital information,which is sadly lacking.
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And your signature.
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Morning.
On the WASPI discussion.
As long as Labour are very, very clear at all times that they are opposed to and and want to mitigate the very unfair 2011 act that accelerated pension age parity leaving some women with very little notice of change but still support the aim of the original 1995 act that gave plenty of warning of bringing women's pension age in line with men's, I do not see a problem with some qualified support for "WASPI women".
I do feel, however, that Labour shouldn't allow themselves to be sidetracked by this niche issue that affects a limited number of people. There are much bigger pension problems looming and the Tory response of complacency and simply making working class people work for longer and longer until they simply don't survive long enough to draw one needs to be fought so the current generation can also enjoy a pension before they turn 70 as all WASPI women can currently expect, even if they have to wait longer than they may have been planning on prior to 1995.
On the WASPI discussion.
As long as Labour are very, very clear at all times that they are opposed to and and want to mitigate the very unfair 2011 act that accelerated pension age parity leaving some women with very little notice of change but still support the aim of the original 1995 act that gave plenty of warning of bringing women's pension age in line with men's, I do not see a problem with some qualified support for "WASPI women".
I do feel, however, that Labour shouldn't allow themselves to be sidetracked by this niche issue that affects a limited number of people. There are much bigger pension problems looming and the Tory response of complacency and simply making working class people work for longer and longer until they simply don't survive long enough to draw one needs to be fought so the current generation can also enjoy a pension before they turn 70 as all WASPI women can currently expect, even if they have to wait longer than they may have been planning on prior to 1995.
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Good-morning, everyone
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William Hague as a 16 year old speech at the Tory Conference,was oft repeated.There was a 16 year old at Labour's yesterday who uttered "bollocks".I know which one I prefer.
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It can't be a coincidence that whenever things are going well, we end up arguing with and/or about the same 'thing' (at the same time also I suspect not coincidentally, rendering the place less attractive).
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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So, the widely reported "fake news" from our ever reliable MSM last night that Brexit wouldn't be debated at conference.
Its happening right now!
Its happening right now!
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
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@Willow(or anybody else)If you are unaware,want to make views known etc.
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As a rambling additional thought to the policy of raising women's pension age from 60 to 65+, although it seems like a straightforward save to the public purse, I can't help but muse on the quite substantial loss of free childcare. The generation of women being able to go back to work because of childcare help from grandparents is something of a one time deal. We now have record numbers of women in work and if they are all working to 65+ they can no longer be relied on for free childcare of grandchildren, so I presume the government has an answer to this? (heavy sarcasm warning).
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No not that Brexit,the other one,tsk.
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If you start giving away any spoilers from the new stuff I'm going to have to block you.RobertSnozers wrote:Where we're from the birds sing a pretty song and there's always music in the air
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Not rambling,I refer to my previous "get it" above ie.the interconnections.
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Exceptionally well put, thank you.Willow904 wrote:Morning.
On the WASPI discussion.
As long as Labour are very, very clear at all times that they are opposed to and and want to mitigate the very unfair 2011 act that accelerated pension age parity leaving some women with very little notice of change but still support the aim of the original 1995 act that gave plenty of warning of bringing women's pension age in line with men's, I do not see a problem with some qualified support for "WASPI women".
Speaking as one of the worst affected, but would never associate myself with WASPI. Where were they in 2011?
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:So, the widely reported "fake news" from our ever reliable MSM last night that Brexit wouldn't be debated at conference.
Its happening right now!
With a vote?
Don't be daft.
As McDonnell said, too divisive.
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Feeling left out,Japan having an election a year early.
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What's the point of the opposition having a vote on a policy that is being debated in the House? The debate on The Great Repeal has started. It will continue. There will be votes. Ones that could actually mean something.SpinningHugo wrote:AnatolyKasparov wrote:So, the widely reported "fake news" from our ever reliable MSM last night that Brexit wouldn't be debated at conference.
Its happening right now!
With a vote?
Don't be daft.
As McDonnell said, too divisive.