Monday 25th September 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:23 pm

Postcards From The Edge?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:24 pm

@citizenJA

Night night.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:28 pm

HindleA wrote:Postcards From The Edge?

No - I've never received one from him.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:31 pm

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:33 pm

"Quilty"?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:34 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Labour's proposals on PFI are here

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... b286a9aed5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't really get them.

The idea seems to be to nationalise the SPVs that hold the PFI contracts. They intend to do that through a share for bonds exchange.

But if you do that at market value, the net saving is exactly zero.

The threat to do it at a lower (presumably below market) rate for foreign domiciled SPVs is particularly odd as the UK has no power to force them to exchange. It would have to be coupled with a threat of non-performance.

but, as I said, that is not a good idea. There is a big difference between a company saying "we repudiate this contract, and will pay the damages required by law" and a country saying "we repudiate this contract, and won't pay anything as required under our own contract law." If a country won't respect its own laws, why should anybody else? Yes, we have the power to do that, PFI companies lack tanks, but it would not be a great idea.
There's an odd bit on pension funds maybe being compensated more favourably. How on earth does that work, differential compensation for the same thing depending on whether the government likes your ownership model?

There have been PFIs bought already, in Northumberland and Herefordshire, and everybody seems happy with the result. So I assume there's some scope to do that more widely.

I think there is a major issue with the government paying anyone less than full market value. Expropriating assets is not great.

Agree.

And paying different people different amounts for the same thing looks like a law suit waiting to happen.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:38 pm

I still have got a receipt for plastic spoons from Gillespie Road iin London from the early '80's because it was near Highbury.I don't even support Arsenal,my brother does.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:42 pm

@HindleA

You deleted the post that I was responding to. You're certainly quilty of that.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:43 pm

Short term memory loss,remind me of the gist.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:44 pm

HindleA wrote:Short term memory loss,remind me of the gist.

Postcards, soft toys.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 7:48 pm

Cheers.True.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 8:08 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-net ... al-housing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 8:11 pm

PF for a small fee,it may be arranged.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 8:12 pm

PF you've deleted your post I was replying to.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 8:14 pm

Doesn't matter I have forgotten what it was myself.Sounds "interesting",though.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 8:28 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ae-targets" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hospital bosses forced to chant 'we can do this' over A&E targets
Trust leaders say they were left feeling ‘bullied and humiliated’ by the incident at a meeting to improve performance

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 8:37 pm

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/24371" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Personal Independence Payment assessments

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 8:41 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How affordable housing benefits the wider economy
Research showing direct benefits to the Treasury and the economy as a whole mean the economic case for investment in social housing has reached a critical juncture

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:03 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41388079" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Third of state schools in cash deficit

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:05 pm

HindleA wrote:PF you've deleted your post I was replying to.

No, I haven't! Deleted what?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:06 pm

ephemerid wrote: Apparently the easiest way to get rid of them is to freeze them. Out.

quite

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:07 pm

PF (Read on.I know you didn't.It was to set up a joke,or at least an attempt)

From "a small fee

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:09 pm

Hi tc2.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:12 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 66726.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He [Dennis Skinner] talked about working in the pits after the Second World War. “I worked alongside Poles, Latvians and Lithuanians, the millions of people displaced after the war. And there were never any arguments because we were all paid the same and we were all in the National Union of Mineworkers.”
...

By February 1947, Horner was General Secretary of the National Union of Mineworkers again spoke out against foreign workers in the mining industry, and his party declared that Poles “should be sent home, to work out their own salvation.”

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:21 pm

@tinyclanger2

Thanks for that link.

Edited to add -

It illustrates something that I was struggling to articulate a while back. Except it doesn't illustrate it, since I failed to ever say it articulately enough for it to require illustration. If you follow my meaning.

And is now the time to admit that I've never been that keen on Dennis Skinner (other than to admire his sartorial elegance)?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:26 pm

The two are not mutually exclusive.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:38 pm

Oh - and I do realise that it was Arthur Horner who expressed the anti-foreigner sentiments in the linked article - not Dennis Skinner.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:45 pm

Davis and Barnier at odds over Brexit bill and transition period

On the first day of the fourth round of talks, Barnier said the prime minister’s €20bn (£17.6bn) offer did not mean the UK would be given a transition period or that negotiations could move on to the detail of a future trading relationship. (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... riod-talks

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:47 pm

Meant DS experience and utteration,that was all.I live there.Accounts/portrayals in the media of people and place is overwhelmingly complete bollox.In my experience.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:48 pm

Night night.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 9:56 pm

Night.PF.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:00 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump's latest travel ban: what's new, who's covered, and why now?
On Sunday, the Trump administration issued its third travel ban in less than a year – and some key revisions make it more expansive than its predecessors

He'll probably end up banning himself or something.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:04 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:14 pm

My soup dragon impersonation is not as good as it was.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:14 pm

Tory Brexit has become a fight to the death between small-state, low-tax, free-market fundamentalists and one-nation, politeness-and-prosperity, small-and-large-C conservatives. Labour Brexit, in this letter’s frame, is turning into a battle between market-sympathetic, social-democratic “centrists” and hard-left, anti-capitalist change-makers. All the ideological faultlines opened up by a decade of political acrimony and man-made hardship have met in this one issue, and it is the wrong issue.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... gle-market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes. The short answer is PR. Or at least a few more viable parties. We are all the victims of democratic deficit given our two/one party FPTP nonsense.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:17 pm

citizenJA wrote:@tinyclanger2
Please forgive my post last night regarding your political party membership. I was attempting levity while making a distinction between Labour and Tory Brexit. I failed.

I agree with you. Stopping UK-EU nationals having freedom of movement within the EU is destructive. I don't support Labour countenancing such a thing. I remain a Labour party member and work within the party for changes.

No problem - didn't think you were serious.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:18 pm

HindleA wrote:My soup dragon impersonation is not as good as it was.

I used to live with the soup dragon. Ironically she was even less keen on cooking than me!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:23 pm

You as well?.She has certainly been around a planet or two.

Post by **adam** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:24 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Thankfully I have a Nick Cave gig to go to so won't be around this evening in any case

Something comparatively cheerful, that's what you need.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:34 pm

Saw Nick Cave with Kylie once at the Fridge in Brixton.
Well I saw Nick Cave.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:40 pm

Just turned 60,apparently.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:40 pm

Am lying it was Brixton Academy.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:42 pm

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/nick-cav ... 8e1a8.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Them were 't days

(wistful existential-crisis-type-middle-aged angst emoticon)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:46 pm

Not to mention Gary Clail owes me a pint

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:47 pm

Tc2 never forgets.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:49 pm

A thirty year seethe.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:51 pm

Not posting Mary Hopkin.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:54 pm

HindleA wrote:A thirty year seethe.

(and the rest)
I don't mind that he owes me a pint. But should I chance upon him at a mixing desk in my area I shall bring it up politely.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 11:02 pm

Knackered.It is hard posting relentless bollox(for me anyway)

Joke

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 25 Sep, 2017 11:16 pm