Tuesday 26th September 2017.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 4:10 am

Morning.

Brexit: Theresa May to meet Donald Tusk

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41389498" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 8:17 am

HindleA wrote:Morning.

Brexit: Theresa May to meet Donald Tusk

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41389498" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 8:22 am

Good Corbyn one and all.

Today Labour will not be debating scone recipes, well not with a binding vote on preferred recipe anyway. Therefore we should clearly argue the toss about scone recipes all day.

If anyone has any suggestions of other things that Labour won't be debating and that we should therefore discuss, please say so. Answers on a postcard to..... Oh no there aren't any postcards any more.

In other news, Nick Cave was outstanding, though the moments when he is clearly thinking about his dead son are almost unbearable. He is still a magnetic presence on stage and his voice is perhaps even more powerful than I remember.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 8:25 am

Slightly annoyingly Alex Petridis also found Cave to be "magnetic" in this 5 star review

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/s ... triumphant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:03 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -chocolate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tuesday briefing: A world without coffee and chocolate

Noooooooooooooo!

And who do we have in charge as the human world teeters on the brink of environmental disaster?
Donald friggin' Trump.
Yeah, don't worry about climate change. The real threat to the planet is people kneeling.

Morning All.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:15 am

Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -chocolate

Tuesday briefing: A world without coffee and chocolate

Noooooooooooooo!

And who do we have in charge as the human world teeters on the brink of environmental disaster?
Donald friggin' Trump.
Yeah, don't worry about climate change. The real threat to the planet is people kneeling.

Morning All.

I say, "Hassocks!" to Donald Trump.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:15 am

Good morfternoon.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:20 am

Have we had this (if so, etc etc)? I know I've read it before now, but can't remember where.

Hospital bosses forced to chant 'we can do this' over A&E targets

Trust leaders say they were left feeling ‘bullied and humiliated’ by the incident at a meeting to improve performance (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ae-targets

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:31 am

Owen Smith being helpful

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e674 ... d2a9a7928d" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seumas will be furious.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:33 am

PorFavor wrote:Have we had this (if so, etc etc)? I know I've read it before now, but can't remember where.

Hospital bosses forced to chant 'we can do this' over A&E targets

Trust leaders say they were left feeling ‘bullied and humiliated’ by the incident at a meeting to improve performance (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ae-targets

I think someone must have linked it as I've seen it before, too.

The thing that jumps out at me is the idea that all trusts are equal so the struggling ones must be able to pull themselves up to the level of the less struggling ones. Different demographics, different geography, different financial circumstances (PFI)....

The privatised Hinchingbrooke hospital was a total fail. The private sector is not falling over itself to take on any of the hard stuff, so the government is stuck with the NHS for the foreseeable, especially stuff like A&E and will be held accountable to a degree however hard the media try to shield them. So what's their answer? Give trusts less money and then yell at them. Charming.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:34 am

http://www.labour.org.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:37 am

Kezia being helpful

https://labourlist.org/2017/09/dugdale- ... -position/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 9:40 am

'It's really shocking': UK cities refusing to reveal extent of pseudo-public space

City administrations in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow and seven others decline to outline the spread of privately owned public areas, or their secret prohibitions – which may include protesting or taking photos

Many of Britain’s largest cities are refusing to reveal information regarding the private ownership of seemingly public spaces, the Guardian has discovered, fuelling concerns about a growing democratic deficit within local city government. (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017 ... blic-space

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:14 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... h-problems" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More on :-

Welsh schoolchildren to receive early help with mental health problems

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:29 am

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... wagon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Uber and the anti-regulations bandwagon

Wren-Lewis

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:33 am

Good-morning, everyone

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:39 am

Everyone:Good Morning.

(Who says you can't speak for everybody)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:44 am

How affordable housing benefits the wider economy

A lot of private sector landlords won't dig it

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:47 am

The air quality today is utterly crap
I woke after dreams of standing on the tarmac forced to watch, listen and breathe airliners take off and land one after the other
My eyes and throat are irritated
My mood is belligerent

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:50 am

No coffee or chocolate
well, life just got easier, didn't it
which big shot do I collar first is the only question

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:50 am

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:50 am

HindleA wrote: ?

What's the question mark there for

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 10:54 am

Extent of mood.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 11:04 am

PM2.5
Small particulate matter
god damn you

What is Particulate Matter? What is PM2.5?
Particulate matter (PM) is a term used to describe the mixture of solid particles and liquid droplets in the air. It can be either human-made or naturally occurring. Some examples include dust, ash and sea-spray. Particulate matter (including soot) is emitted during the combustion of solid and liquid fuels, such as for power generation, domestic heating and in vehicle engines.

https://laqm.defra.gov.uk/public-health/pm25.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was the hardest thing in the world having to include vehicle engine combustion emissions and not just leave the public to understand dust and sea-spray were the problem.

...there is understood to be no safe threshold below which no adverse effects would be anticipated

Tory government got a solution for us all

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 11:15 am

SpinningHugo wrote:Kezia being helpful

https://labourlist.org/2017/09/dugdale- ... -position/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She's a backbencher now, who cares?

Apart from single issue obsessives like you, obviously

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 11:17 am

HindleA wrote:Extent of mood.

Depends which way the wind blows

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 11:23 am

"Any way the wind blows ~~doesn't~~ does really matter to me"

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 11:28 am

HindleA wrote:"Any way the wind blows ~~doesn't~~ does really matter to me"

I love you and my friends here, that doesn't change
Better now

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 11:45 am

RIP Liz Dawn

Not that I ever watched Coronation Street at any time.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 11:59 am

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -rate-2009" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK personal bank deposits growing at slowest rate since 2009
British consumers are dipping further into their savings amid a squeeze from rising prices and falling real wages, figures show

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:01 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Good Corbyn one and all.

Today Labour will not be debating scone recipes, well not with a binding vote on preferred recipe anyway. Therefore we should clearly argue the toss about scone recipes all day.

If anyone has any suggestions of other things that Labour won't be debating and that we should therefore discuss, please say so. Answers on a postcard to..... Oh no there aren't any postcards any more.

In other news, Nick Cave was outstanding, though the moments when he is clearly thinking about his dead son are almost unbearable. He is still a magnetic presence on stage and his voice is perhaps even more powerful than I remember.

Surely It's jumping the gun a bit to start discussing scone recipes already?
Suggest preliminary discussions need to cover

I) What exactly is meant by 'scone',
Definition, pronunciation, should we just accept that 'scone is scone' at this stage?

ii) Are we willing to pay for continued access to the scone, if so how much & for how long.

iii) Can the scone be replaced with an off the shelf alternative - this may be a suitable point to start considering ingredients.

iv) If an ad-hoc scone is needed, then should move to full debate on recipes, as you have suggested, maybe widening the debate to discuss associated issues
(butter, jam*,cream, serving temperature, accompanying beverages etc.)

*Jeremy may have strong views on this.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:03 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -rate-2009

UK personal bank deposits growing at slowest rate since 2009
British consumers are dipping further into their savings amid a squeeze from rising prices and falling real wages, figures show

All going according to Osborne's plan, then. Public borrowing bad, private borrowing good.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:04 pm

Can we have our scone and eat it?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:08 pm

HindleA wrote:RIP Liz Dawn

Not that I ever watched Coronation Street at any time.

To this day I can't see the name Aloe vera and not hear it in Jack Duckworth's voice...

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:15 pm

I can't see Long-Bailey ever troubling the scorers.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:18 pm

gilsey wrote:Can we have our scone and eat it?

Contrary to some opinion, it is possible to have strawberry jam on your scone and vote for Jeremy Corbyn

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:19 pm

No savoury option?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:19 pm

Or is it a case of hard cheese?

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:20 pm

Ken Livingstone being helpful

http://talkradio.co.uk/news/scale-labou ... 7092618946" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:20 pm

My cheese scones are to die for.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:22 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:Ken Livingstone being helpful

http://talkradio.co.uk/news/scale-labou ... 7092618946" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As ever

Most people just ignore him now, very sensibly.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:22 pm

HindleA wrote:My cheese scones are to die for.

Cobblers?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:24 pm

RIP Tony Booth.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:47 pm

@tinybgoat

Suffice to say I have a contract with the MOD in weaponry.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:48 pm

Some debate about "conventional"

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 1:13 pm

I see Dennis Skinner's made a complete arse of himself with the Guardian's Owen Bennett.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 1:16 pm

Sadiq calls for second referendum.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 1:16 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:I see Dennis Skinner's made a complete arse of himself with the Guardian's Owen Bennett.

Takes one to know one, I suppose.

(do please look back at what Bennett said when Paul Nuttall was elected leader of UKIP, which was - incredibly - still less than a year ago)

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 1:20 pm

HindleA wrote:@tinybgoat

Suffice to say I have a contract with the MOD in weaponry.

Special Bun Service "By Strength and Guile".

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 1:25 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:I see Dennis Skinner's made a complete arse of himself with the Guardian's Owen Bennett.
Takes one to know one, I suppose.

(do please look back at what Bennett said when Paul Nuttall was elected leader of UKIP, which was - incredibly - still less than a year ago)

I don't know. I've just got a generally low tolerance of people who answer questions with questions. Especially idiotic ones that imply that places without "Nye Bevan's NHS" and have people like us dropping dead en masse.

And I do know that Skinner voted for the Repeal Bill two weeks ago.