Saturday, 30th September and Sunday, 1st October 2017

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 7:30 am

Good morfternoon.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 7:37 am

The model averages the radius.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 7:37 am

Style of thing.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 7:38 am

Boris Johnson caught on camera reciting Kipling in Myanmar temple

Foreign secretary’s impromptu recital of colonial-era poem was so embarrassing the UK ambassador was forced to stop him

The previously unbroadcast footage shows the diplomat managing to halt Johnson before he could get to the line about a “Bloomin’ idol made o’ mud/ Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd” – a reference to the Buddha. (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mar-temple

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 7:40 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Style of thing.

Haven't seen that for ages - is he (?) still around?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 7:46 am

dunno - he (?) was a star though

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 7:50 am

PorFavor wrote:
Boris Johnson caught on camera reciting Kipling in Myanmar temple

Foreign secretary’s impromptu recital of colonial-era poem was so embarrassing the UK ambassador was forced to stop him

The previously unbroadcast footage shows the diplomat managing to halt Johnson before he could get to the line about a “Bloomin’ idol made o’ mud/ Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd” – a reference to the Buddha. (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mar-temple

We had Gordon Brown who was hated but I quite admired (I also have low levels of popularity in my daily working envt so perhaps it was empathy). Then we had the US bankers-induced crash and Gordon Brown was at least taken quite seriously. Then we somewhat recovered and were cosmopolitan ass-kicking London 2012. And now to Europe at least we are a comedy nation - but not affectionate comedy, just self important, xenophobic and useless comedy.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 7:55 am

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ing-stoves" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Air pollution: Sadiq Khan calls for ban on wood-burning stoves

During our many decades of TV property porn I have developed a quiet distaste for the pursuit of Agas.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 8:46 am

There are rumours (according to the Times - which I can't link to as it's a photo-shot thing on the BBC News website) that the Conservative Party Conference preparations are "in chaos".

Breweries spring to mind . . .

Edited - brackets

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 8:54 am

Morning RoT - hope all is well

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:02 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 74006.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brexit: Number of British people applying to live in other EU countries surges

The number of Britons who have applied for citizenship in other EU nations since the Brexit referendum last year has soared by tens of thousands – and almost trebled in Ireland.

Elsewhere, the requests doubled in Spain, Sweden, Denmark and Poland – and there was a sharp rise in France, figures showed.

I don't know, that Europe staying over there, nicking our jobs and our people.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:10 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 74006.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brexit: Number of British people applying to live in other EU countries surges

The number of Britons who have applied for citizenship in other EU nations since the Brexit referendum last year has soared by tens of thousands – and almost trebled in Ireland.

Elsewhere, the requests doubled in Spain, Sweden, Denmark and Poland – and there was a sharp rise in France, figures showed.
I don't know, that Europe staying over there, nicking our jobs and our people.

That worries me. Worries me that I'll be marooned here in the UK with a lot of weirdos.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:16 am

This was linked last night but worth repeating.
Universal Credit was designed to reduce poverty—it will do the opposite
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/econ ... e-opposite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not convinced by the story about IDS original good intentions being undermined by Osborne. It was a crap idea and he should have listened to his civil servants.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:30 am

Morning.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-spending" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Electoral Commission urged to reconsider view on Vote Leave spending
Watchdog faces possible judicial review over decision to close investigation into £625,000 for digital marketing firm

Rather timid article from the Guardian, seems to be missing the juicy bits. This explanation from CrowdJustice gives a better sense of why some people are so angry about this:

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/did-v ... ng-limits/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1) In February 2016, Steve Baker MP, lobbying for Vote Leave to be designated as the official leave campaign, sent a round robin email asking recipients to support Vote Leave because it claimed to have found a loophole in the spending rules. Here is what he said:

"It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities each of which could spend £700k: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum";

I think we can safely say, unlike in the Tory incident, if what they did proves to have broken the rules the excuse of it being accidental is pretty much out the window.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:31 am

So maybe the Ted Heath rumours have something to them after all......

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:32 am

WHat an utter farce the Tories are

Matthew Parris v good

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tori ... 01e8cbad93" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and they now have fewer members than the Lib Dems

http://evolvepolitics.com/tory-campaign ... -lib-dems/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Their' "big idea" is to increase help to buy: each party trying to out-dumb the other on housing. IDS, Liam Fox, Reese-Mogg. FFS.

What a car crash UK politics is.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:35 am

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ME ... 584_en.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
European Commission publishes assessment of Member State offers to host European Banking Authority and European Medicines Agency after Brexit – Questions and Answers

Brussels, 30 September 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:38 am

I would say IDS was Osborne's useful idiot.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:39 am

The focus on falling Tory membership intrigues me, given the overwhelming "mainstream" consensus pre June 2017 that such things DIDN'T MATTER.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:42 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:The focus on falling Tory membership intrigues me, given the overwhelming "mainstream" consensus pre June 2017 that such things DIDN'T MATTER.

It probably doesn't much, save that below a certain level and a 'party' is dead.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:42 am

Tickertape thingy on TV news is saying that teachers and other public servants may get above 1% pay rise. (On the other hand, once the dust has settled on the Conservative Party Conference, they may not . . .)

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:45 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:The focus on falling Tory membership intrigues me, given the overwhelming "mainstream" consensus pre June 2017 that such things DIDN'T MATTER.

The rats are leaving the sinking ship.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:46 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The focus on falling Tory membership intrigues me, given the overwhelming "mainstream" consensus pre June 2017 that such things DIDN'T MATTER.

It probably doesn't much, save that below a certain level and a 'party' is dead.

And the evidence from June that a very high *and active* membership can make a difference.

Its true that the SNP had significant losses despite their recent surge in numbers, but leaked internal stuff post-GE claimed it was largely passive (in contrast to 2 years ago)

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:47 am

PorFavor wrote:Tickertape thingy on TV news is saying that teachers and other public servants may get above 1% pay rise. (On the other hand, once the dust has settled on the Conservative Party Conference, they may not . . .)

No doubt they'll be expected to be grateful that they're only £5800 worse off instead of £6000.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:49 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The focus on falling Tory membership intrigues me, given the overwhelming "mainstream" consensus pre June 2017 that such things DIDN'T MATTER.

It probably doesn't much, save that below a certain level and a 'party' is dead.
And the evidence from June that a very high *and active* membership can make a difference.

Its true that the SNP had significant losses despite their recent surge in numbers, but leaked internal stuff post-GE claimed it was largely passive (in contrast to 2 years ago)

That seems to me to be very doubtful with little evidence to support it. The kind of things activists want to believe as they don't like to feel they're wasting their time. Looking at other countries (eg the US) and past UK history, I don't think the evidence supports you.

(I say that as someone who has spent hundreds of hours campaigning for Labour knocking on doors. Not of course something I'll be doing again.)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:56 am

Daniel Hannan ✔@DanielJHannan
Leaving the EU is a bit like moving to a nicer home. The move can involve stressful moments, but it's worth it.

J.K. Rowling ✔@jk_rowling
We bought it without seeing it, we don't know how much it will cost and the renovators have never done this before. What could go wrong?

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Tories: from the Thatcherite cache of patronising economic explanations. (if you can't afford to buy a Twix you buy a fruit salad chew or some such thing)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:56 am

There have been academic studies backing up the idea that activism can make a significant difference, but by all means continue in your comfort zone

Actually, the 1997 GE is also evidence that it does - Blair boasted of Labour's high membership (over 400k) at the time too. That was before he - and you - decided it didn't matter, though.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:08 am

Mind you, he does take a nice photo.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:08 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:There have been academic studies backing up the idea that activism can make a significant difference, but by all means continue in your comfort zone

Actually, the 1997 GE is also evidence that it does - Blair boasted of Labour's high membership (over 400k) at the time too. That was before he - and you - decided it didn't matter, though.

Have there? Give me a link and I'll have a look.

You can't use individual samples in the way you're doing though.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:13 am

Ryanair’s crisis shows the true price of the low-cost revolution

Gwyn Topham (Guardian)

I think this is a good article - albeit stating which is, to me, the bleedin' obvious (but someone has to say it).

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ion-crisis

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:15 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Daniel Hannan ✔@DanielJHannan
Leaving the EU is a bit like moving to a nicer home. The move can involve stressful moments, but it's worth it.

J.K. Rowling ✔@jk_rowling
We bought it without seeing it, we don't know how much it will cost and the renovators have never done this before. What could go wrong?
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Tories: from the Thatcherite cache of patronising economic explanations. (if you can't afford to buy a Twix you buy a fruit salad chew or some such thing)

Twitter has had a great deal of fun with this moronic statement. What I want to know is who bails us out when we hit that "Grand Designs" moment of a semi-completed, uninhabitable, unmortgageable house and all our money/credit has run out? Usually it's the bank of mum and dad. On one occasion the bank of embarrassed but loving son. Who will the UK turn to? Our colonial offspring? Cap in hand to Australia for a bridging loan? Meanwhile the UK population is stuck in the equivalent of an on site caravan remembering the modest home they used to live in and wondering whatever possessed them to give it up for this never-ending living hell!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:30 am

Yes there have, SH. I really have nothing to add to that.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:35 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes there have, SH. I really have nothing to add to that.

Could you link to one? I googled but couldn't find a relevant one.

Thanks.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:35 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:There have been academic studies backing up the idea that activism can make a significant difference, but by all means continue in your comfort zone

Actually, the 1997 GE is also evidence that it does - Blair boasted of Labour's high membership (over 400k) at the time too. That was before he - and you - decided it didn't matter, though.
Have there? Give me a link and I'll have a look.

You can't use individual samples in the way you're doing though.

The lane wire vanishes into the disliked worst.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:36 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes there have, SH. I really have nothing to add to that.

Could you link to one? I googled but couldn't find a relevant one.

Thanks.

Does the fuller disturb the untidy culprit?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:45 am

PF's target practice going well,hasn't missed a bottle yet.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:46 am

Then again,she has plenty to choose from.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:47 am

Nice finger flick there

I think it was a finger.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:47 am

Are those crossword clues tc2? Never my thing tbh.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:56 am

TC2 where are you?

I think it is that random word generator thing.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 12:01 pm

Why has tc2 got a random word generator, though?

We deserve to know.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 12:14 pm

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_59cf6 ... mg00000008" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Boris Johnson Reportedly Caught On Camera Reciting Colonial Poem In Burmese Temple
The British ambassador apparently had to stop him.

Words fail me.

Literally.

Been sitting here for 5 minutes now and still can't put into words how this makes me feel.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 12:40 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... et#history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Open consultation
Call for evidence and briefing note: EEA-workers in the UK labour market

(Updated)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 12:44 pm

HindleA wrote:TC2 where are you?

I think it is that random word generator thing.

What do you mean? They're my carefully considered responses to carefully considered discussion.
No random word generating going on on this board.
No siree.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 12:44 pm

Any washed body posts an economy.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 12:47 pm

Usual I'll never manage to grow tomatoes from seed swimming in them thing.Non of that greenhouse nonsense just shouting at them when necessary seems to work.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 12:56 pm

I must remember I put the body of a scarecrow with added tee-shirt sitting next to the outdoor table,thought it was a decapitated child,for a minute.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 12:58 pm

Nothing unusual about that around here,just wondered how they got there.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 1:00 pm

Pah,random word generator.Amateur.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 1:04 pm

From the party that brought us Brexit (means Brexit)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 75191.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson has attacked politicians being over-optimistic about Brexit, claiming it “sells people short”.