Tuesday 3rd October 2017

Post by **refitman** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 7:10 am

Morning all.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 7:31 am

G'day

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 9:02 am

Morning all.

This must come as a shock I know...

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IEA director Mark Littlewood says he voted for Brexit because it's an "opportunity for substantial deregulation". Patel: "absolutely right".

To be read in conjunction with that thread I posted last night.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 9:15 am

Morning

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The problem is not capitalism. It’s that the Tories aren’t much cop at it
Aditya Chakrabortty

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:01 am

It seems sadly Tom Petty has actually died now

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:07 am

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Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:13 am

I wish I had the insight of the Tories:

The EU is to blame for the deaths of fish, birds, the honey bee, “small mammals” and even weekly bin collections, Michael Gove has claimed.

The anti-Brussels Environment Secretary tore into the EU’s record on green issues as he insisted withdrawal would allow Britain to “secure a special prize - a Green Brexit”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 79181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:19 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:I wish I had the insight of the Tories:

The EU is to blame for the deaths of fish, birds, the honey bee, “small mammals” and even weekly bin collections, Michael Gove has claimed.

The anti-Brussels Environment Secretary tore into the EU’s record on green issues as he insisted withdrawal would allow Britain to “secure a special prize - a Green Brexit”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 79181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's quite right the EU shouldn't be allowed to kill them. They are there for Tories to hunt!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:21 am

More seriously, mass agriculture and the CAP hasn't been one of the EU's crowning glories has it?

So there may be a little bit of truth hiding in Gove's monumental hypocrisy....

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:23 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:I wish I had the insight of the Tories:

The EU is to blame for the deaths of fish, birds, the honey bee, “small mammals” and even weekly bin collections, Michael Gove has claimed.

The anti-Brussels Environment Secretary tore into the EU’s record on green issues as he insisted withdrawal would allow Britain to “secure a special prize - a Green Brexit”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 79181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Strange - I could have sworn I saw my bin bags being collected yesterday. The ones I put out last week seem to have gone too...and the ones the week before.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:30 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:More seriously, mass agriculture and the CAP hasn't been one of the EU's crowning glories has it?

So there may be a little bit of truth hiding in Gove's monumental hypocrisy....

True - but we no longer have wine lakes and butter mountains (as far as I know) so I guess some progress has been made over the years.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:32 am

As a small mammal I haven't noticed any death threats and seem to have survived.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:38 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:I wish I had the insight of the Tories:

The EU is to blame for the deaths of fish, birds, the honey bee, “small mammals” and even weekly bin collections, Michael Gove has claimed.

The anti-Brussels Environment Secretary tore into the EU’s record on green issues as he insisted withdrawal would allow Britain to “secure a special prize - a Green Brexit”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 79181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But...
Tories aim to block full EU ban on bee-harming pesticides
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... pesticides" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:43 am

Q: Your manifesto only had 77 words on climate change, even though that is important to young people. Yet you pledged a vote on foxhunting. That played badly with young people. When did you realise this?

May says she recognises the issue of generational unfairness. That is why the government wants to do something about housing.

May's 5Live interview, from AS blog.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:44 am

Didn't the Tories reportedly want to scrap the proposed ivory sale ban in the last manifesto, before the outcry forced a u-turn?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:45 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 10:59 am

"young people" programmed response I presume.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:01 am

Reminds me of an action man I had and you pulled a cord and got about six possible "responses"

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:02 am

gilsey wrote: But...
Tories aim to block full EU ban on bee-harming pesticides
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... pesticides" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's not going to help funding the arts in Edinburgh. How can I adopt or name a honey bee on a theatre roof if the Tories plan to assassinate it?

http://www.edtheatres.com/bees" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://lyceum.org.uk/support-us/make-a-donation/bees/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:04 am

When I say "had".He had a parachute accident,I couldn't abandon him.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:07 am

HindleA wrote:Reminds me of an action man I had and you pulled a cord and got about six possible "responses"

I got an empty box for Christmas - Dad said it was an action man deserter.

(The old jokes are the best jokes).

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:12 am

Speaking of old jokes, here's that 'surprise' again.

UK builders suffer surprise contraction

From the Business Live blog.

At least they've taken the trouble to tell us who is surprised.

This is much worse than anyone in the City expected (economists predicted a reading of around 50.0)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:15 am

Good morfternoon.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:15 am

But.......Liam Fox said just yesterday that Britain was BOOMING post-Brexit!!

And all the delegates (Sid and Doris Bonkers) cheered

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:18 am

Richard Threlfall, head of infrastructure, building and construction at KPMG has a very gloomy take on today’s construction PMI:

“This reading is significantly worse than expected and shows that economic uncertainty continues to have a serious impact on the construction industry. Construction is an economic bellwether, so the concern will spread well beyond the sector.

“There is a clear downturn in commercial construction, which is likely to continue. This is because new orders are dropping off, hitting pipelines. Infrastructure output also appears to be in decline and contractors will be concerned about a lack of new projects.

“The one relative bright spot in the data was housebuilding, but even this lost momentum and there are fears that demand will drop off if interest rates rise.”

How's that November interest rate rise looking, Mr Carney?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:21 am

RIP Rodney Bickerstaffe.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:38 am

Jeremy Hunt gets a standing ovation at the (reportedly well-attended, today) Conservative Conference, apparently.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 11:58 am

PorFavor wrote:Jeremy Hunt gets a standing ovation at the (reportedly well-attended, today) Conservative Conference, apparently.

Hmmm, people being bussed in?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 12:01 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rs-in-jail" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

People who repeatedly view terrorist content online could face up to 15 years behind bars in a move designed to tighten the laws tackling radicalisation the home secretary, Amber Rudd, is to announce on Tuesday.

View it once, download it, or (shock) print it.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 12:06 pm

Ah hang on- are there already penalties for downloading?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 12:11 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Ah hang on- are there already penalties for downloading?

Yes, this is designed to cover steaming.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 12:56 pm

I've just seen the reprise of the Jeremy Hunt speech. The hall didn't look that full to me and the standing ovation was a bit tepid and patchy, I thought. Has anyone else here seen it?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 1:08 pm

From 12.29

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

or about 12.52 to avoid the excruciation

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 1:15 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Ah hang on- are there already penalties for downloading?
Yes, this is designed to cover steaming.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 1:17 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Ah hang on- are there already penalties for downloading?
Yes, this is designed to cover steaming.

I think it's a play by Nell Dunn.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 1:20 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Yes, this is designed to cover steaming.

I think it's a play by Nell Dunn.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 1:40 pm

Great thread on the further meltdown of Andrew Adonis.

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He was a good Transport Secretary. Seriously.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 1:42 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote: Yes, this is designed to cover steaming.

I think it's a play by Nell Dunn.

I've seen that play! Can't remember why, when or where. The cast wear towels.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 1:55 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/ ... a-musician" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 1:59 pm

@gilsey

It's set in a London East End (?) public steam baths which are threatened with closure. It focuses on the women who gather there (hazy memory, so I stand to be corrected). Georgina Hale was in the (TV) version that I (sort of) remember.

Edited to add -

I was very impressed with it at the time, which is why it's lodged in my mind.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:00 pm

David Lidington drones on about drones.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:06 pm

https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2017/10/rodney/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:08 pm

If Venezuela didn't exist, the Conservatives would have to invent it.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:10 pm

Oh, God. Liam Fox.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:10 pm

HindleA wrote:Reminds me of an action man I had and you pulled a cord and got about six possible "responses"

'How about some nice strawberry ice cream'

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:10 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:12 pm

Ben Chu's ferreted out the answer on whether the money for Northern rail is new.
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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:18 pm

Sadly (but possibly predictably) Liam Fox seems to be going down well. The 'Hard '"Brexiters"' seem to be out in force today. All there to cheer for Boris Johnson later?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:19 pm

PorFavor wrote:Oh, God. Liam Fox.

Disgraced former Defence Secretary Liam Fox.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 03 Oct, 2017 2:32 pm

Business Live is excelling itself today.

IMF: high household debt is bad

Someone should have told Osborne.