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Thursday 5th October 2017
Morning all.
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Morning. And here's the sort of hot take that almost makes you wish for a biblical plague so we can start again:
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Morning
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Balance of funding has been shifted further away from affordable housing
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Balance of funding has been shifted further away from affordable housing
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.Universal Credit Explained By The People On The Frontline Of It
Debt, anxiety and foodbanks
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"Theresa May inadvertently set out some of the strongest arguments for remaining a member of the EU"
"Theresa May inadvertently set out some of the strongest arguments for remaining a member of the EU"
‘Our precious union of nations… [is] threatened by those with their narrow, nationalist agendas that seek to drive us apart ...
..It sounds like one of the strongest endorsements of the European Union ever made by a frontbench politician, either during the referendum campaign or since.
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Royal Cornwall hospital put in special measures after patient deaths
People have been dying and going blind waiting for treatment, says CQC report, one of the most critical it has ever published
Royal Cornwall hospital put in special measures after patient deaths
People have been dying and going blind waiting for treatment, says CQC report, one of the most critical it has ever published
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Good-morning, everyone
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SHOUT response to Prime Minister's party conference speech
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Morning all.
It's all going so well...
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Good morternoon, everyon.
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BrilliantPorFavor wrote:Good morternoon, everyon.
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What would be best for country and people now? Tory government declare they've no confidence in themselves? What would that mean, procedurally? Is now better than later? I'm thinking of Tory Brexit as well as their inadequate leadership domestically.
What would be best for country and people now?
What would be best for country and people now?
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Excellent rant, James Willby again.
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Have the past 35 years really been as great as Philip Hammond says?
Have the past 35 years really been as great as Philip Hammond says?
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Letts is beyond parody and long has been, but the fact the Mail was unwilling to offer a full-throated defence of May in its main headline tells its own story.NonOxCol wrote:Morning. And here's the sort of hot take that almost makes you wish for a biblical plague so we can start again:
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Only the Express has gone full on Pravda this morning
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The Case for Continued Customs Union Membership
APPG on EU Relations.
Reports
The Case for Continued Customs Union Membership
APPG on EU Relations.
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Live tables on social housing sales
Live tables on social housing sales
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In a year, not one payment correct': a council tenant on the misery of universal credit
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In a revealing video, visually-impaired council tenant Jo King explains the impact of delays and mistakes since she’s been on universal credit
In a year, not one payment correct': a council tenant on the misery of universal credit
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In a revealing video, visually-impaired council tenant Jo King explains the impact of delays and mistakes since she’s been on universal credit
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I did notice Heidi Allen calling for the UC rollout to be paused a few days ago.
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It occurs to me that May has finally paid for all her hiding away, refusal to debate etc.
In another world, she could have cut short her speech yesterday, with a cheery wave and an apology for a shocking sore throat. Nobody would have blinked. But no she had to "soldier" on, or face remorseless accusations of chickening out.
In another world, she could have cut short her speech yesterday, with a cheery wave and an apology for a shocking sore throat. Nobody would have blinked. But no she had to "soldier" on, or face remorseless accusations of chickening out.
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Reuters says the German equivalent of the CBI is telling firms to prepare for a very hard Brexit.
“The British government is lacking a clear concept despite talking a lot,” BDI Managing Director Joachim Lang said.
“German companies with a presence in Britain and Northern Ireland must now make provisions for the serious case of a very hard exit. Anything else would be naive,” he said. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Ouch!PorFavor wrote:Reuters says the German equivalent of the CBI is telling firms to prepare for a very hard Brexit.
“The British government is lacking a clear concept despite talking a lot,” BDI Managing Director Joachim Lang said.
“German companies with a presence in Britain and Northern Ireland must now make provisions for the serious case of a very hard exit. Anything else would be naive,” he said. (Politics Live, Guardian)
There would be a certain irony in the Tories, unlike Labour, actually managing to cause a global recession!
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Re PF's housing question yesterday re actually council/social rent
"HAs started 48,000 homes last year, but only 8.3% for social rent. If May's £2Bn = 5K homes per year over 5 years, that is 415 social pa. "
"HAs started 48,000 homes last year, but only 8.3% for social rent. If May's £2Bn = 5K homes per year over 5 years, that is 415 social pa. "
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The good news just keeps coming - as someone once said -
According to the Financial Times’ Chris Giles (paywall) Philip Hammond, the chancellor, is “facing what officials describe as ‘a bloodbath’ in the public finances in his Budget next month as weak economic forecasts derail the government’s plans. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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I linked the whole thing,but get nervous on the warning not to share article bit not that I am paranoid,fuck a police siren,or anything.
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For what it's worth (nothing) the cough sounded less cold-related and more like a nervous strangulation of the vocal cords\dry throat thing. And I've had a cold or two . . .PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It occurs to me that May has finally paid for all her hiding away, refusal to debate etc.
In another world, she could have cut short her speech yesterday, with a cheery wave and an apology for a shocking sore throat. Nobody would have blinked. But no she had to "soldier" on, or face remorseless accusations of chickening out.
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There's somebody at your door . . .HindleA wrote:I linked the whole thing,but get nervous on the warning not to share article bit not that I am paranoid,fuck a police siren,or anything.
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I now have my family heirloom shepherd's crook for protection.
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The ever brilliant Martin Wolf on the post-May world.
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One man and his invisible dog.
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HindleA wrote:I now have my family heirloom shepherd's crook for protection.
I'd always suspected that your lineage included crooks.
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Subscription needed, unfortunately.SpinningHugo wrote:The ever brilliant Martin Wolf on the post-May world.
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Google 'The economic consequences of Jeremy Corbyn' to get round the paywall, doesn't always work but this one seems to. You might not want to, seeing as the 4th sentence is
Google 'The economic consequences of Jeremy Corbyn' to get round the paywall, doesn't always work but this one seems to. You might not want to, seeing as the 4th sentence is
Disappointed in Wolf for that, he usually talks sense.The leader of the UK Labour party has already had a disastrous economic impact, by making the Brexit referendum result far more likely.
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Sterling fell
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Because gilsey revealed that Jeremy Corbyn has crashed the economy?citizenJA wrote:Sterling fell
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He's right about Corbyn and McDonnell employing the language of populist socialism, though, rather than the more tentative tradition of European social democracy.gilsey wrote:https://www.ft.com/content/0e956c1e-a8e ... c?mhq5j=e5
Google 'The economic consequences of Jeremy Corbyn' to get round the paywall, doesn't always work but this one seems to. You might not want to, seeing as the 4th sentence isDisappointed in Wolf for that, he usually talks sense.The leader of the UK Labour party has already had a disastrous economic impact, by making the Brexit referendum result far more likely.
I tend to agree with Ben Chu, however :
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...we shall see. But I think the much stronger argument vs Corbyn relate to competence expectations rather than the Venezuela bogey man...
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Social democratic/populist socialism/Autocratic Socialism
Trump/Corbyn equivalisation
Bob's your uncle.
Two year old stuff,I am afraid.
Trump/Corbyn equivalisation
Bob's your uncle.
Two year old stuff,I am afraid.
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Works for me, oddly.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Subscription needed, unfortunately.SpinningHugo wrote:The ever brilliant Martin Wolf on the post-May world.
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From the article
Utter bullshit. The leadership campaigned amongst labour supporters every day and every night. Labour supporters appear to have turned out to vote remain in roughly the same proportion that LibDem supporters, SNP supporters and Green supporters did. Cameron and Osborne completely failed to take their party with them. The conservative leadership and the conservative party took Britain out of the EU - not Labour, not at all.The Labour party disappeared during the referendum campaign,
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I, unsurprisingly, agree with Wolf.Willow904 wrote:He's right about Corbyn and McDonnell employing the language of populist socialism, though, rather than the more tentative tradition of European social democracy.gilsey wrote:https://www.ft.com/content/0e956c1e-a8e ... c?mhq5j=e5
Google 'The economic consequences of Jeremy Corbyn' to get round the paywall, doesn't always work but this one seems to. You might not want to, seeing as the 4th sentence isDisappointed in Wolf for that, he usually talks sense.The leader of the UK Labour party has already had a disastrous economic impact, by making the Brexit referendum result far more likely.
I tend to agree with Ben Chu, however :Ben Chu @BenChu_
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...we shall see. But I think the much stronger argument vs Corbyn relate to competence expectations rather than the Venezuela bogey man...
Bank of England. Law. BBC. EU.
The idea that Corbyn and McDonnell are liberals who will be content with power sources other than themselves is over-optimistic in the extreme, and shows a profound ignorance of what the Campaign Group has always stood for.
As for Corbyn and the EU. I agree with Alan Johnson on Corbyn's conduct of the campaign. His actions on the day after the referendum, and subsequently, have made his actual views crystal clear.
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I don't recall Alan Johnson over-exerting himself.
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PorFavor wrote:I don't recall Alan Johnson over-exerting himself.
If you're not the leader, you won't get much press.
JC had a nice relaxed time of it.
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I should add to the above that intentions of a socialist nature combined with a question mark over ability to deliver is clearly much preferable to intentions of a fascistic nature and a definite track record of woeful incompetence.
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La la la.SpinningHugo wrote:PorFavor wrote:I don't recall Alan Johnson over-exerting himself.
If you're not the leader, you won't get much press.
JC had a nice relaxed time of it.
If weren't the leave campaign or the prime minister you didn't get much press. This is a non-sensical argument to make given how labour supporters voted and is just more rewriting of history. Hate corbyn and/or labour all you like but do it for what happened, not for what it suits people now to make up.
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I don't hate anybody, certainly not Corbyn.adam wrote:La la la.SpinningHugo wrote:PorFavor wrote:I don't recall Alan Johnson over-exerting himself.
If you're not the leader, you won't get much press.
JC had a nice relaxed time of it.
If weren't the leave campaign or the prime minister you didn't get much press. This is a non-sensical argument to make given how labour supporters voted and is just more rewriting of history. Hate corbyn and/or labour all you like but do it for what happened, not for what it suits people now to make up.
I think he is awful, and will do a great deal further damage to the UK, but he is in good faith, as is May. Hard to hate.
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Willow904 wrote:I should add to the above that intentions of a socialist nature combined with a question mark over ability to deliver is clearly much preferable to intentions of a fascistic nature and a definite track record of woeful incompetence.
I would have thought a woefully incompetent fascist was preferable to a brilliantly able one?