Wednesday 11th October 2017

Post by **refitman** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 7:10 am

Morning all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 8:33 am

Good-morning, everyone

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 8:42 am

Good morfternoon.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 9:11 am

Morning

Press release
Making Britain the safest place in the world to be online

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/maki ... -be-online" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Open consultation
Internet Safety Strategy green paper

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... reen-paper" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Have noticed some kind of Trumpian/Carlsberg riff in the publicity department of late)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 9:31 am

Morning all.

I'll be intrigued as to the final outcome of this poll.

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I was a bit shocked as to what it said after I voted but given the number of misleading stories about company tax I guess I shouldn't have been.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 9:33 am

Please check your messages

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 9:37 am

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 10:11 am

Has everyone seen @davidallengreen's all-purpose Brexit thread? It's very good.
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NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 10:23 am

Hi.

There are Lexiters... and then there are slow-learning, politically blind, terminally naïve Lexiter morons like this man. No prizes, etc.:

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 10:57 am

The first reply

(though the reference to "Fine Fare" does rather give away that person's age somewhat!)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:08 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'I don't think we are a priority': Britons in Belgium facing citizenship hurdles
Many UK-born people living at the heart of the EU have found the path to citizenship much more arduous than expected

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:12 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:The first reply

(though the reference to "Fine Fare" does rather give away that person's age somewhat!)

At least it wasn't Victor Value. Do we get Green Shield Stamps with "Brexit" (might have been Pink Shield - or was that Price Rite)? I led an exciting childhood.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:32 am

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NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:34 am

Unbelievably, there's more where that came from:

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I've had my issues with certain left-wing anti-austerity campaigners being a bit slow on the uptake re Brexit, but not many of them generalise as offensively as this.

Horrendous idiot.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:39 am

Fraser is a clown, but it is (alas) undeniable that a few prominent anti-Brexit campaigers seemed to think all was hunky-dory with this country prior to 23 June 2016.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:42 am

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... ss-n809491" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump Readies Major Change in Health Care Without Congress

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 12:22 pm

http://careindustrynews.co.uk/2017/10/1 ... ry+News%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1.2 million people going without the social care they need-State of Care

“The time for reports, Green Papers, White Papers, consultations and commissions is over – we need to see action, before it is too late.”

It is too late for many of course,and increasing daily.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 12:31 pm

Jez doing well at PMQs again, it appears.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 12:43 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Jez doing well at PMQs again, it appears.

Another draw, apparently....

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:10 pm

NonOxCol wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Jez doing well at PMQs again, it appears.
Another draw, apparently....

That's the Sparrow verdict, I assume?

Haven't even visited the Politics Live page in ages, I believe his profile picture is more "realistic" these days

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:26 pm

https://consultations.gov.wales/consult ... habitation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OPEN CONSULTATION
Renting Homes (Wales) Act 2016 – Fitness for human habitation

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:43 pm

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89 trailer: documentary recounts Arsenal's dramatic title win at Anfield

(I was there in the Kop end with my Arsenal supporting brother Ticket No.6299 to be precise a fiver it was rescheduled from Sunday 23rd April)

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:49 pm

"Planet Venezuela".

What passes for a gag according to Theresa May.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 2:03 pm

"Venezuela" (or, for the even more terminally dense, "North Korea") is rapidly becoming a modern day Godwin.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 2:08 pm

NonOxCol wrote:"Planet Venezuela".

What passes for a gag according to Theresa May.

embarrassing and inconsequential Tory leadership
don't even insult good

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 2:17 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:"Venezuela" (or, for the even more terminally dense, "North Korea") is rapidly becoming a modern day Godwin.

It is an odd attack line as so few care about Venezuela.

I do. I think it is emblematic of Corbyn's gullibility and his siding with any anti-American regime. He has terrible judgement, see also Syria. His condemnation of violence "on all sides" is typical of his and the Campaign groups attitudes.

But there are no votes in running with that. Nobody cares.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 2:25 pm

I actually agree that Corbyn's overly simplistic (even if generally well meaning) "anti-imperialism" is one of his biggest flaws.

But the people using these epithets aren't normally interested in such a relatively nuanced critique, just crude name calling. Its not really much different from when Tory hacks and their captive press used to be fond of describing Ed Miiband's modest incremental proposals as "insane Marxism" and similar.

(indeed, so much so that T May seems to have at least pretended to nick most of them)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 2:32 pm

Theresa the Trot.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 2:34 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I actually agree that Corbyn's overly simplistic (even if generally well meaning) "anti-imperialism" is one of his biggest flaws.

But the people using these epithets aren't normally interested in such a relatively nuanced critique, just crude name calling. Its not really much different from when Tory hacks and their captive press used to be fond of describing Ed Miiband's modest incremental proposals as "insane Marxism" and similar.

(indeed, so much so that T May seems to have at least pretended to nick most of them)

Well meaning counts for nothing at all. Plenty of brutal dictators who killed millions who were well meaning.

Corbyn is not consistently anti imperialist either. See Russia's invasion of Ukraine

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 2:35 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Disadvantaged pupils learning watered-down curriculum, says Ofsted
Chief inspector of schools says focus on ‘badges and stickers’ instead of learning and substance could limit social mobility

Post by **adam** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 3:17 pm

IMF: higher taxes for rich will cut inequality without hitting growth

Higher income tax rates for the rich would help reduce inequality without having an adverse impact on growth, the International Monetary Fund has said.

In an analysis certain to be seized on by Labour as backing for its tax strategy, the IMF used its influential half-yearly fiscal monitor to attack the rationale for the reductions in tax for the highest earners in recent decades. The IMF said tax theory suggested there should be “significantly higher” tax rates for those on higher incomes but the argument against doing so was that hitting the rich would be bad for growth.

“Empirical results do not support this argument, at least for levels of progressivity that are not excessive,” the IMF said, adding that different types of wealth taxes might also be considered.

Shocked etc...

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 4:12 pm

Pete's still digging, in case anyone was missing him:

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gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 4:12 pm

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 4:20 pm

NonOxCol wrote:Pete's still digging, in case anyone was missing him:

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Pete North
Pete North @PeteNorth303
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7h
9. A very real problem is Pakistani/Bangladeshi families abandoning family members due to physical deformity from inbreeding.

This would be the Pakistani/Bangladeshi families from our old colonial empire that came here because of the immigration rules our national government decided upon and could have changed at any time as it has nothing to do with freedom of movement within the EU?

Just thought I'd check as I could be missing some EU related nuance.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:27 pm

Willow904 wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Pete's still digging, in case anyone was missing him:

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Pete North
Pete North @PeteNorth303
·
7h
9. A very real problem is Pakistani/Bangladeshi families abandoning family members due to physical deformity from inbreeding.
This would be the Pakistani/Bangladeshi families from our old colonial empire that came here because of the immigration rules our national government decided upon and could have changed at any time as it has nothing to do with freedom of movement within the EU?

Just thought I'd check as I could be missing some EU related nuance.

YES
What is the matter with this guy?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:41 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I actually agree that Corbyn's overly simplistic (even if generally well meaning) "anti-imperialism" is one of his biggest flaws.

But the people using these epithets aren't normally interested in such a relatively nuanced critique, just crude name calling. Its not really much different from when Tory hacks and their captive press used to be fond of describing Ed Miiband's modest incremental proposals as "insane Marxism" and similar.

(indeed, so much so that T May seems to have at least pretended to nick most of them)

Well meaning counts for nothing at all. Plenty of brutal dictators who killed millions who were well meaning.

Corbyn is not consistently anti imperialist either. See Russia's invasion of Ukraine

Oh look a squirrel

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:43 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Pete's still digging, in case anyone was missing him:

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Pete North
Pete North @PeteNorth303
·
7h
9. A very real problem is Pakistani/Bangladeshi families abandoning family members due to physical deformity from inbreeding.
This would be the Pakistani/Bangladeshi families from our old colonial empire that came here because of the immigration rules our national government decided upon and could have changed at any time as it has nothing to do with freedom of movement within the EU?

Just thought I'd check as I could be missing some EU related nuance.
YES
What is the matter with this guy?

Horrible racist - what more to say? Let's not give him any more publicity!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:44 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:51 pm

#Jules Birch

Javid confirms no Govt grant for social housing safety work - just discussions on lifting HRA borrowing cap or access to general fund

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 6:01 pm

Evening all. Back from yet another hospital appointment - chemo starts in 2-3 weeks but there's a thing called a stent which has got itself lost inside and couldn't be located to be sorted first. Before you ask, it was meant to be there - it's just moved a bit...

The Chief Inspector of Schools seems to be flavour of the month on edu twitter but it's a bit strange that she's pointing to the narrowness of the curriculum with primary schools focusing too much on English and Maths. Wonder how that came about?

If Tinypic would let me upload the second page it would show the numbers of pages devoted to Art, History, Geography etc - i.e. not many.

And yet she thinks the new National Curriculum is an improvement.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 6:46 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 6:46 pm

(I presume)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 6:50 pm

Yes, thank you!

See what I mean about the relative space in the National Curriculum for English.Maths, and everything else?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 7:20 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Yes, thank you!

See what I mean about the relative space in the National Curriculum for English.Maths, and everything else?

And as if by magic one of the leading Edu Tweeters has pulled up a letter from edu academics. he's not impressed. But look...

The new curriculum is extremely narrow. The mountains of detail for English, maths and science leave little space for other learning. Speaking and listening, drama and modern media have almost disappeared from English.

Can't see anything wrong with that - and this was back in 2013.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 7:53 pm

I'm exhausted today, everyone
goodnight
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 8:20 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... restaurant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Black Swan country pub in Yorkshire named world's best restaurant

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 8:43 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -into-care" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Austerity policy blamed for record numbers of children taken into care

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 9:02 pm

Trouble at Long Lartin prison.Unconfirmed report of prisoner takeover of E wing

D.Shaw.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 9:07 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 9:18 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... CMP=twt_gu

Tucked away (the article), isn't it? I looked to see if it appeared in the main news section, and it didn't.