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Thursday 12th October 2017

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Morning all.
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Morning.

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"We must respect the vote", of course.
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Good morfternoon.
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Morning all. Happy birthday me :)
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Closures of ageing jails on hold for five years as prison numbers soar

An ‘incredibly difficult summer’ has seen Conservative manifesto pledge to shut down dilapidated jails shelved, prisons chief Michael Spurr tells governors (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... mbers-soar
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@adam

Happy birthday!
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He's still at it (Giles this time, not the other pillock).

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Mary Anderson nails it, and him, if you scroll down a bit.
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NonOxCol wrote:He's still at it (Giles this time, not the other pillock).

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Mary Anderson nails it, and him, if you scroll down a bit.
And if you scroll down a bit further...
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Replying to @giles_fraser
Oh ffs Giles - in the bowels of Christ I beseech you - aim higher than just being an Anglican Brendan O'Neill
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Opening paragraph of this

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnists/ ... y-support/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You;d have to be 30 to have voted for a Labour government. So, 35 come the next election.
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Jeremy Hunt admits making false claims in the House of Commons - but refuses to apologise

He inflated the increase in mental health workers in the NHS by 43 times
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Morning all.

Oh dear...now deleted.

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Happy birthday adam.
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Mark Garnier, an international trade minister, has said that Brexit has not harmed investment and that he and other pro-remain supporters were wrong about this before the referendum. He said:
Since the Brexit vote we are seeing a huge number of investment projects coming into the UK that are creating new jobs. Doom-mongers like myself who during the referendum were part of the Project Fear campaign have been proved wrong. I think it is important that we stand up and say so far we have not got this right and that is incredibly good news for both Britain and our individual constituencies.
What are these tory MPs smoking?
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All we need to do to get a good "Brexit" deal is to spend God knows how much money on turning Kent into an enormous lorry park. That will get the negotiations moving in the right direction. Have I got the general thrust?
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Jeremy Hunt talking figures again and no-one's laughed yet. Admirable restraint. (He's at the GP Conference).
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Have I missed the Michel Barnier\David Davis press conference - or hasn't it happened yet?
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Oh - it's about to start (Politics Live, Guardian).
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NonOxCol wrote:Morning.

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"We must respect the vote", of course.
A reminder that SkyData surveys are *not* proper polls, even though they are (highly dubiously) promoted as such.
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I've just received a catalogue through the door.

Having riffled through it (like you do), I was amused to see that one of the offerings is a "Make your own unicorn cupcake kit"! I'll have a dozen, please . . . .
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Morning.

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"We must respect the vote", of course.
A reminder that SkyData surveys are *not* proper polls, even though they are (highly dubiously) promoted as such.
And I read things like the Mail editorial on Hammond "the appeaser", see stuff just like it spouted uncritically online, and find even voodoo polls quite easy to believe.
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SpinningHugo wrote:Opening paragraph of this

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/columnists/ ... y-support/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You;d have to be 30 to have voted for a Labour government. So, 35 come the next election.
Twas the same for the Tories in 2010, these things happen.
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PorFavor wrote:I've just received a catalogue through the door.

Having riffled through it (like you do), I was amused to see that one of the offerings is a "Make your own unicorn cupcake kit"! I'll have a dozen, please . . . .
Make sure they're certified as vegan & organic, otherwise the Unicorns won't eat them (and may even refuse to visit the feeding table)
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1/ On citizens' rights:
We have two common objectives:
That the Withdrawal Agreement has direct effect, which is essential to guarantee the rights of all citizens in the long-term.
That the interpretation of these rights is fully consistent in the European Union and in the United Kingdom.
On these points, we will continue to work on the specific instruments and mechanisms which will allow us to translate this into reality. This means for us the role of the European Court of Justice.
Furthermore, divergences still exist on the possibility of family reunification and on the exportation of social benefits after Brexit, both of which we want.
For us, for example, it is important that any European citizen living in the UK can – in 10 or 15 years' time – bring his/her parents to the UK, as would be the case for British citizens living in the EU.
In the same vain, an EU citizen who has worked for 20 years in the UK should be able to move to an EU Member State and still benefit from his/her disability allowance, under the same conditions as British citizens in the EU.
Finally, an important point for the Member States of the Union: the UK has informed us of its intention to put in place a simplified procedure which allows citizens to assert their rights. We will study attentively the practical details of this procedure, which should really be simple for citizens.

2/ On Ireland, ladies and gentlemen:
This week we advanced on the joint principles on the continuation of the Common Travel Area and I welcome this.
We continued our intensive work on mapping out areas of cooperation that operate on a North South basis on the island of Ireland.
There is more work to do in order to build a full picture of the challenges to North-South cooperation resulting from the UK, and therefore Northern Ireland, leaving the EU legal framework.
This is necessary in order to identify the solutions.
This week, we agreed that the six principles proposed by the EU in September would guide our work on protecting the Good Friday Agreement in all its dimensions.

3/ Finally, on the financial settlement:
Theresa May confirmed in her Florence speech that the UK will honour commitments it has made during the period of its membership. This is an important commitment.
The UK told us again this week that it still could not clarify these commitments. Therefore, there was no negotiation on this, but we did have technical discussions which were useful, albeit technical.
We are, therefore, at a deadlock on this question. This is extremely worrying for European taxpayers and those who benefit from EU policies.
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NonOxCol wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Morning.

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"We must respect the vote", of course.
A reminder that SkyData surveys are *not* proper polls, even though they are (highly dubiously) promoted as such.
And I read things like the Mail editorial on Hammond "the appeaser", see stuff just like it spouted uncritically online, and find even voodoo polls quite easy to believe.
The poll's quite believable, in the absence of qualifying what a 'bad brexit' looks like, it's going to be seen by many as bad as a bad thing can be, so by comparison a heavily spun no deal will sound better.
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Its also a meaningless question designed to get a certain answer, totally agreed.
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Morning all.
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The Chancellor must get the Treasury to have more realistic, optimistic forecasts & to find the money for a successful economy post Brexit.
He seems to have missed the transfer of responsibility for forecasting to the OBR which took place some years ago.
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One of Davis' points of contention about EU nationals is
to continue to enjoy the recognition of professional qualifications;
Seriously? That says a lot about how hopeless this situation really is.
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The department for international trade has put out a press release about Liam Fox’s new board of trade. (See 9.41am.) The board has various advisers, but the news release reveals that at this point the board has only one actual member - Fox himself. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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John Finniemore's Genghis Khan sketch (various parts)

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It's probably not helpful to compare Brexit negotiations with negotiating with Genghis Khan as it would reinforce some of the Brexiteers views, but David Davies brought it to mind by his ability to claim talks are progressing well & he hopes to be allowed to move to the next stage, while everyone else can see this isn't true & won't happen.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

Oh dear...now deleted.

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A reminder here that KRM doesn't like the royals.
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adam wrote:Morning all. Happy birthday me :)
Many happy birthday's to you
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British warships are to employ a voice-controlled system along the lines of Apple’s Siri assistant, the first sea lord, Adm Sir Philip Jones, has said at the opening of one of the biggest arms fairs in the world.
I've never used Siri, but have got an Amazon Alexa dot thing.
If you ask "Alexa fire photon torpedoes" it replies that it doesn't have the facility ... yet.
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tinybgoat wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -like-siri
British warships are to employ a voice-controlled system along the lines of Apple’s Siri assistant, the first sea lord, Adm Sir Philip Jones, has said at the opening of one of the biggest arms fairs in the world.
I've never used Siri, but have got an Amazon Alexa dot thing.
If you ask "Alexa fire photon torpedoes" it replies that it doesn't have the facility ... yet.
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Good-afternoon, everyone
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Today's xkcd is very good too.
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Drone footage shows devastation caused by California fire – video

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vid ... fire-video" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I know people living there. Last communication I had they were alive and uninjured. Many friends missing. I became overwhelmed by the messages posted one after another.
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Mandatory evacuation orders for some mighty expensive real estate
Gated communities won't prevent some catastrophe
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Electricity consumers 'to fund nuclear weapons through Hinkley Point C'

Scientists tell MPs government is using expensive power project to cross-subsidise military by maintaining nuclear skills

Their [Prof Andy Stirling and Dr Phil Johnstone from the Science Policy Research Unit at the University of Sussex] evidence suggests that changes in the government’s policy on nuclear power in recent years will effectively allow Britain’s military nuclear industry to be supported by payments from electricity consumers. (Guardian)
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Though we should distinguish between UC as the Tories conceive it now and the idea of a basic income, which does have quite a bit to recommend it.

(even if I am not totally convinced as yet)
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Electoral Commission faces legal action over Vote Leave ruling
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Disorder at high-security Long Lartin fuels concern over jail system

Incident at ‘well-staffed’ prison in Worcestershire has raised concern that volatility in prisons has entered new phase

The Prison Governors Association said the incident should be “ringing alarm bells at the most senior level”. John Attard, a PGA national officer, said the trouble was symptomatic of cutbacks and changes in the prison service management structure.

[The prisons minister, Sam Gyimah] insisted the disturbance was not the product of budget cuts. There was a full regime in place and no shortfall in staffing levels, and the disturbance had been contained to one wing of the jail, he said.

[The shadow justice secretary, Richard Burgon] highlighted MoJ figures questioning the minister’s claim that Long Lartin was well staffed. The latest published workforce figures show that in March this year the facility was 46 officers short of its official benchmark staffing level of 551 officers. “Long Lartin is 8% below target, which is above the average shortfall of 6.9%,” he said. (Guardian)
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Astronomers find half of the missing matter in the universe

Which one of you been hiding it? - PorFavor or HindleA? - Confess
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Nice try, cja.
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Goodnight, everyone
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Groan Award?

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"She was only the Vicar's daughter.."


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