Saturday 21st & Sunday 22nd October 2017

Post by **refitman** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 8:39 am

Morning all.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 9:21 am

Good morfternoon.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 10:11 am

Did we have this yesterday?
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.c ... -no-deals/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Admirably clear and simple chart which should be compulsory reading for those idiots on the Newsnight panel last night. To say they were clueless was flattering them, one was a LD supporting Leave voter.

Where do the BBC find these people?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 10:25 am

gilsey wrote:Did we have this yesterday?
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.c ... -no-deals/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Admirably clear and simple chart which should be compulsory reading for those idiots on the Newsnight panel last night. To say they were clueless was flattering them, one was a LD supporting Leave voter.
Where do the BBC find these people?

Good chart, shows very clearly the problem with May's approach. She insists she doesn't want a Canada style free trade deal but then lists a bunch of red lines which leave her with no other choices.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 11:05 am

gilsey wrote:Did we have this yesterday?
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.c ... -no-deals/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Admirably clear and simple chart which should be compulsory reading for those idiots on the Newsnight panel last night. To say they were clueless was flattering them, one was a LD supporting Leave voter.
Where do the BBC find these people?

Getting on for 30% of LibDem voters backed Brexit (and remember this is their hardcore support after all that has happened post-2010)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 11:37 am

Morning all. Shopping done, tea and Bakewell Tart consumed, Mozart's Clarinet Concert on the hi-fi...what could ruin the day? Ah yes, Orient at home...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 11:38 am

Good-morning, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 11:40 am

@Willow904
Thank you for the insurance industry article link costing natural disaster payouts yesterday

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 11:41 am

Last two paragraphs unimprovable.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2017/10/20/f ... -or-power/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 12:27 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... rnment-ban" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tenants in England still waiting for a ban on letting agents’ fees

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 12:32 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -be-raised" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Speed limits through roadworks may rise to 60mph

Pick-up fees for airport passengers rise at eight out of 20 top UK airports

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... k-airports" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 1:08 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/ ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Help to buy has mostly helped housebuilders boost profits
Patrick Collinson

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 1:26 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/ ... SApp_Other

Help to buy has mostly helped housebuilders boost profits
Patrick Collinson

One imagines that was the intention. The great financial crash of 1929 hit asset holders, the lost wealth came out of the pockets of share holders and landowners. The challenge for the wealthy classes after the 2007 crash was how to protect themselves and push the cost onto everyone else. So we had QE and other measures to prop the whole shebang up, while a softer landing was to be engineered under Labour. Whether they would have allowed the stock market and house prices to fall over time we will now never know. The Tories had no intention of following through with the controlled crash landing Labour started. Hence austerity and a sustained effort to transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest. The equivalent of chucking people out the plane so the wealthy few needn't crash at all. Help to buy is part of this. Without it, the big builders would eventually start bidding less for land, reducing landowners paper wealth and eventually house prices generally. Can this work indefinitely, though? Or will there be an adjustment I'm the end? Perhaps a chaotic Brexit will provide cover for even greater transfer of wealth to the richest, this time from the middle earners who were previously protected as well?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 1:35 pm

The Famous Five Go Brexiting in No Deal Land

This from the FT.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... spartanntp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LOL.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 2:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:Did we have this yesterday?
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.c ... -no-deals/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Admirably clear and simple chart which should be compulsory reading for those idiots on the Newsnight panel last night. To say they were clueless was flattering them, one was a LD supporting Leave voter.
Where do the BBC find these people?
Getting on for 30% of LibDem voters backed Brexit (and remember this is their hardcore support after all that has happened post-2010)

It's now more like 83% of their voters opposed to Brexit.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 2:22 pm

Georgia lawmaker: Can people with HIV be 'legally' quarantined?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/20/healt ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Whit??!?!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 2:39 pm

Not dying" readily" enough apparently.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 2:56 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:Did we have this yesterday?
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.c ... -no-deals/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Admirably clear and simple chart which should be compulsory reading for those idiots on the Newsnight panel last night. To say they were clueless was flattering them, one was a LD supporting Leave voter.
Where do the BBC find these people?
Getting on for 30% of LibDem voters backed Brexit (and remember this is their hardcore support after all that has happened post-2010)
It's now more like 83% of their voters opposed to Brexit.

Partly because their voter base has shifted somewhat?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 2:59 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ns#history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Guidance
Guidance on overseas visitors hospital charging regulations

Updated particularly "Upfront charging guidance"

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 2:59 pm

I suppose so. Easy to see how they lost leavers to the Tories, and maybe got some Remainers back.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 3:21 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... r-protests" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rethink on housing benefit cap for elderly and vulnerable

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 3:23 pm

"Re",redundant there.Arse about face Government.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 3:38 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ns#history

Guidance on overseas visitors hospital charging regulations

Updated particularly "Upfront charging guidance"

damned Tory government

"People who live outside the EEA, including former UK residents, should now make sure they are covered by personal health insurance, unless an exemption applies to them. Anyone who does not have insurance will be charged at 150% of the NHS national tariff for any care they receive."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... pital-care" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's so much wrong with this
How much does the payment infrastructure cost? Who's in charge of it? NHS healthcare staff?
I've several pages on the gov.UK website bookmarked
Check periodically making sure rights I had yesterday aren't revoked today
I'd advise everyone to do the same
Tory government don't care who you are
They dislike most people

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:02 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ange-minds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No one has ever tested exactly what article 50 means before, because no one has ever used it, so anything that a lawyer says about its reversibility is informed speculation. But most EU lawyers think that having given notification of intention to withdraw from the EU under article 50 doesn’t actually bind us to doing it.

As always, other paragraphs & views are available.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:19 pm

tinybgoat wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s[quote]No one has ever tested exactly what article 50 means before, because no one has ever used it, so anything that a lawyer says about its reversibility is informed speculation. But most EU lawyers think that having given notification of intention to withdraw from the EU under article 50 doesn’t actually bind us to doing it.

As always, other paragraphs & views are available.[/quote]
No, SH has clearly told us it's irreversible, so that's that.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:27 pm

Theresa May's former spin doctor reveals Article 50 was triggered too early
'We probably should have taken much more time', says Katie Perrior
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 10911.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Had they bothered to ask, I could 've told them that.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:29 pm

Like I would take longer than 8 months to select and purchase a new coat.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:29 pm

I see Refitman is channelling PF

Post by **refitman** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:37 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I see Refitman is channelling PF

At least it wasn't brackets

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:42 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:43 pm

badass

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:48 pm

Washing machine has eaten one of my white socks,I haven't fed it lately.No problem they are all the same.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:54 pm

Is the turntable working?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 4:55 pm

PF's cat doing the crossword.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:09 pm

who needs Ibiza. Standby.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:40 pm

Clanger's Classic Weekend Disco arriving at 18.00 BST

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:40 pm

HindleA wrote:Washing machine has eaten one of my white socks,I haven't fed it lately.No problem they are all the same.

Isn't that a bit socksist?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:42 pm

I see more of the dispiriting Labour rubbish last night.

I clocked this bloke a long time ago when he was in TUSC because he comes from my hometown (I never knew him).

https://twitter.com/JoeSucksmith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I didn't like the look of him then for his ranty crudeness, and wasn't all that happy when I heard he'd joined Labour and become a borough council candidate (he did OK in a ward with lots of Tory pensioners, as it happens).

What's brought him to wider attention is some tweets about White Supremacist, Richard Spencer, praising Israel, in particular this.

Joe Sucksmith‏
@JoeSucksmith
Follow Follow @JoeSucksmith
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Spencer's a total arse, but we should be grateful to him for illuminating why Zionism is such a problematic ideology

Enter Dan Hodges and others reading that as praising Richard Spencer- which it quite obviously isn't. He doesn't deserve to be kicked out for it at all.

And yet, I'd happily see the back of him and others like him. For a start, there's the use of "Zionism" there, a word that covers the beliefs of lots of people who are strongly critical of the current Israeli government. They're well within they're rights to feel very annoyed with the link with a White Supremacist like Spencer. I mean, why not say "Likudism" or something more precise? Plus there's the folly of taking what a Nazi says at face value. I mean, does he really admire Israel in itself, or does he just like it as a place to send all the Jews? Or maybe he, like Nick Griffin, is just saying it because it puts a bit of distance between him and the Holocaust, which has always dragged Fascists down. You don't quote them as revealing "the truth about Israel", because they're liars.

People from his part of the left know this, but there's, I think, something approaching a pleasure in saying stuff in a crass way re Jews. He's within his rights not to apologize to Hodges and all, obviously, but no sense that somebody in good faith might think he'd been out of order. Inevitably, these people always follow through with "this is about Israel", which causes even more offence, because it assumes bad faith among any Jew who complains, plus the assumption that they care about Israel- lots of Jews don't. Again, I can see his point- for lots (by no means all Jews) it is really about Israel.

This is genuinely difficult stuff. There will always be dishonest attacks on pro-Palestinians. But he and others need to do better. If I thought they could, then fine. But I don't think they can.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:47 pm

I humbly apologise for my inappropriate and unaccepteable use of language.Of course they are each unique and have their own personalities.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:47 pm

: glorious seventies.jpg (15.07 KiB) Viewed 25661 times

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:48 pm

HindleA wrote:PF's cat doing the crossword.

She's stuck on 10 down.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 5:56 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:05 pm

OK. Here it is:

[youtube]LnqWQnbvjuQ[/youtube]

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:05 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:07 pm

bling.
tastic

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:07 pm

HindleA wrote:

calls for volume 11 I think.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:11 pm

Air France boss says UK must play by the EU court’s rules after Brexit
Jean-Marc Janaillac says he is happy to see British airlines fly on the continent – as long as they accept European Court of Justice control (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... tice-rules

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:31 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all. Shopping done, tea and Bakewell Tart consumed, Mozart's Clarinet Concert on the hi-fi...what could ruin the day? Ah yes, Orient at home...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 6:41 pm

I tend to use Likudism rather than Zionism these days, for precisely the reasons Tubby outlines. I would recommend that to others, too.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 7:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I tend to use Likudism rather than Zionism these days, for precisely the reasons Tubby outlines. I would recommend that to others, too.

Yeah. The depressing thing is that there'll be people like you in his local party, trade union etc, who very obviously aren't anti-Corbyn Israel stooges, who will likely have told him this, and explained to him how he might be coming across. But the problem seems to recur.

Obviously Dan Hodges and all lying is depressing too.