Monday 30th October 2017

Post by **refitman** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 7:10 am

Morning all.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 7:17 am

Good morfternoon.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 8:38 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Tweet" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 8:40 am

IFS Report previously referenced

https://www.ifs.org.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/10017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/10010" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 9:21 am

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... e-mortgage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Average UK debt at £8,000 per person (not including the mortgage)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 9:27 am

Good-morning, everyone

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 9:29 am

Morning. Happy Monday everyone.

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The next person who tells me that History is a "soft subject" will be met with fire and fury.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 9:31 am

NonOxCol wrote:Morning. Happy Monday everyone.

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The next person who tells me that History is a "soft subject" will be met with fire and fury.

I could say the same for Media Studies, tbh.

Post by **adam** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 10:01 am

NonOxCol wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Morning. Happy Monday everyone.

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The next person who tells me that History is a "soft subject" will be met with fire and fury.
I could say the same for Media Studies, tbh.

I should coco.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 10:54 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Bit early for that?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 11:24 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Bit early for that?

I get less sleep for days - rather than the much vaunted "extra hour in bed" malarkey - with the clocks change thing. Can't work out why.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 12:12 pm

Am I missing something?

'Conservative Women' and others are bemoaning the unnecessarily intense focus on everyday sexism in UK politics, which is of course all the fault of the PC brigade / lefty snowflakes / rabid feminists (delete as appropriate).

But, but, but wasn't it Guido Fawkes that kicked it all off?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 12:17 pm

Meanwhile it all seems to be kicking off in the US.

Sweepstake on who goes first then. May or Trump?

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 12:26 pm

"When I saw this chart it stopped me dead in my tracks."

Quite.

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It is quite obscene what we* have managed to normalise over here.

*the worst press and broadcast media in the Western world.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 12:29 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Meanwhile it all seems to be kicking off in the US.

Sweepstake on who goes first then. May or Trump?

Which one will get her - "Brexit" or "Sexit"?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 1:01 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Meanwhile it all seems to be kicking off in the US.

Sweepstake on who goes first then. May or Trump?

Trump is genuinely the Rasputin of our times, I fear. Still not much doubt about that one IMO

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 1:40 pm

A lot of these juxtapositions doing the rounds on Twitter:

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 1:47 pm

On a maybe not dissimilar note, a short time ago BBC news had yet to mention the alleged "sex pest list" of 36 Tory MPs. Sky and ITV have both done so on more than one occasion.

The "discussion" regarding this on the BBC Daily Politics earlier was apparently more interested in exhuming the "Kuenssberg needed a bodyguard at the Labour conference" canard again.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 1:55 pm

https://martinrowson.wordpress.com/2017 ... etnam-war/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Latest Rowson
“As I Please”

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 1:59 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... y-benefits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 2:03 pm

7m ago 13:54

On his Facebook page ITV’s political editor Robert Peston says some Tories fear the sexual misconduct scandal could bring down the government. (Politics Live, Guardian)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 2:09 pm

I'm instinctively sceptical of such claims, but this does have the feeling of something very big. Potentially bigger than the expenses scandal, even.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 2:31 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... essibility" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 2:51 pm

https://www.justice.gov/sco" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... rt-mueller" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 3:38 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/firs ... n-journeys" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

News story
First of a Kind competition: transform tomorrow’s train journeys

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 3:40 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... al-housing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Press release
New guidance to ensure victims of domestic abuse can access safe social housing

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 3:49 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ut-tunnels" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HS2 accused of cutting costs in north by stripping out tunnels
Campaigners claim company is dumping costs from first phase of route in south of England on to northern section

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 3:52 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... losed-down" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Free-to-use Link ATMs across the UK at risk of being closed down

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 3:59 pm

NHS trusts accused of backdoor privatisation over subsidiary firms

Three foundation trusts in England have set up firms with the intention of taking thousands of support staff off NHS books (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... iary-firms

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 4:38 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:On a maybe not dissimilar note, a short time ago BBC news had yet to mention the alleged "sex pest list" of 36 Tory MPs. Sky and ITV have both done so on more than one occasion.

The "discussion" regarding this on the BBC Daily Politics earlier was apparently more interested in exhuming the "Kuenssberg needed a bodyguard at the Labour conference" canard again.

Canards are unfounded rumours.

She clearly did.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 4:42 pm

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 4:48 pm

It might mean nothing but Donald J Trump hasn't tweeted for the last couple of hours. Rumours are flying:

Michael Skolnik
@MichaelSkolnik
Mueller has flipped George Papadopoulos. The entire @RealDonaldTrump campaign should be shaking in their loafers. Someone is singing...
2:34 pm · 30 Oct 2017

Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
Replying to @SethAbramson and @Anthony
67/ Papadopoulos almost certainly flipped 10/5. And as I tweeted in this thread in September, it means *everything*:

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 4:58 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:On a maybe not dissimilar note, a short time ago BBC news had yet to mention the alleged "sex pest list" of 36 Tory MPs. Sky and ITV have both done so on more than one occasion.

The "discussion" regarding this on the BBC Daily Politics earlier was apparently more interested in exhuming the "Kuenssberg needed a bodyguard at the Labour conference" canard again.

Canards are unfounded rumours.

She clearly did.

Why did she clearly 'need' a bodyguard

She had one but whether they were needed is very much open to question - and I am quite happy to go with AK's view

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 5:00 pm

Willow904 wrote:It might mean nothing but Donald J Trump hasn't tweeted for the last couple of hours. Rumours are flying:

Michael Skolnik
@MichaelSkolnik
Mueller has flipped George Papadopoulos. The entire @RealDonaldTrump campaign should be shaking in their loafers. Someone is singing...
2:34 pm · 30 Oct 2017

Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
Replying to @SethAbramson and @Anthony
67/ Papadopoulos almost certainly flipped 10/5. And as I tweeted in this thread in September, it means *everything*:

That is what I call a tweet!

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 5:25 pm

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 5:28 pm

Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
·
38m
Replying to @SethAbramson
120/ Understand: Papadopoulos was arrested *over three months ago*, so the volume of information Mueller has we don't know is *staggering*.

Whole thread here. Truly fascinating stuff:

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Everything is out in the public domain. Indictments of Monafort and Gates and the plea agreement of Papadopoulos. Mueller has made his first move and its hitting pretty high up already. If Trump manages to front this out, it's not looking good for American democracy.

All eyes on the GOP. Do they throw Trump to the wolves or do they stand by him and risk him taking them all down with him?

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 5:29 pm

But did the canard tweet?

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 5:30 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:But did the canard tweet?

Quacked

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 5:31 pm

More importantly, do Trump supporters even care if he's in Putin's pocket or are they too far gone?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 5:58 pm

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... d-not.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A short guide to why we should not raise UK interest rates

Wren-Lewis

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 6:08 pm

Who’s Who study sheds new light on power of old boy network

Analysis of 120 years of biographical data in Who’s Who shows those who went to a top public school are now 94 times more likely to be included in the UK’s ‘elite’ (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/ ... oy-network

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 6:10 pm

My uncle used to work for Cunard.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 6:12 pm

Daniel Dale
@ddale8
Papadopoulos is described as "proactive cooperator." Former prosecutor tells me that sometimes means "wore a wire."

Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
·
29m
Replying to @SethAbramson
PS/ Things you'll hear today that are FALSE: Papadopoulos wasn't a top advisor; was with campaign briefly; plead to acts "outside" campaign.

From the G live blog:

Sanders repeatedly downplays Papadopoulos’ role on the campaign. She repeated that he served on a volunteer advisory council, “I’d hardly call that some kind of regular adviser. He was not paid by the campaign he was a volunteer again on a council that met once.”

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 6:13 pm

Willow904 wrote:
Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
·
38m
Replying to @SethAbramson
120/ Understand: Papadopoulos was arrested *over three months ago*, so the volume of information Mueller has we don't know is *staggering*.
Whole thread here. Truly fascinating stuff:

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Everything is out in the public domain. Indictments of Monafort and Gates and the plea agreement of Papadopoulos. Mueller has made his first move and its hitting pretty high up already. If Trump manages to front this out, it's not looking good for American democracy.

All eyes on the GOP. Do they throw Trump to the wolves or do they stand by him and risk him taking them all down with him?

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Someone hasn't read the Seth Abramson thread...

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howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 6:14 pm

HindleA wrote:My uncle used to work for Cunard.

Firstly, I thought that was the 'Guardian' but misspelt then realised he used to be a canard - not sure how that works though

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 6:26 pm

http://uk.businessinsider.com/schumer-t ... ?r=US&IR=T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sen. Mark Warner, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, also released a statement saying that "issuing pardons to any of [Trump's] associates or to himself would be unacceptable" and result in bipartisan action from Congress.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 6:39 pm

If we're in for more cold days am back to switching on the heating. More expense.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 7:14 pm

You have to watch your pipes for rust.I see PF's doing the samba to keep herself warm.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 7:36 pm

I have been seething with a similar outcome.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 30 Oct, 2017 7:40 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... otocols--3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Policy paper
JHA opt-in and Schengen opt-out protocols

Details of the UK’s participation in EU legislation on police and judicial co-operation, civil and criminal justice, asylum and migration.

[PTO]