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Tuesday 31st October 2017
Morning all.
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Good morfternoon.
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Morning,
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"Brexit witch-hunt against universities reveals the right’s paranoid thinking"
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"Brexit witch-hunt against universities reveals the right’s paranoid thinking"
..Meanwhile, having shown himself so intensely concerned with the teaching of European politics in British universities, I’m sure Mr Heaton-Harris will be delighted to know that his letter to vice-chancellors is on the way to becoming a set text. After all, it has several merits for that purpose: it’s short, representative, revealing, and already exists in multiple copies.
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@tinybgoat
Trump\Dawn? Me neither. And I have "Googled" it.
Trump\Dawn? Me neither. And I have "Googled" it.
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(via guardian : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -continues" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
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I see Mr. Jenkins still haunts the old fairground.
I see Mr. Jenkins still haunts the old fairground.
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Almost as blatantly obvious, here come JHB, Michael Fallon and the Sun, dutifully followed by the useless BBC, to defuse the Westminster sex pest story.
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Nearest I've found isPorFavor wrote:@tinybgoat
Trump\Dawn? Me neither. And I have "Googled" it.
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but she changed her surname from Dawn Trump to Dawn Kelly, and no mention of Cheryl.
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"My secret plan to turn students against Brexit"
"My secret plan to turn students against Brexit"
Try as I might to bend the minds of my supposedly vulnerable young charges to my Europhile will, the little blighters simply will insist on thinking for themselves. Honestly, sometimes I don’t know why I bother; I really don’t.
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There's a possibility that Carles Puigdemont will seek political asylum in Belgium (Sky TV News).
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A basic income for everyone? Yes, Finland shows it really can work
Aditya Chakrabortty
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I'm not sure I'm convinced about it working 'for everyone' but I certainly think the Finnish experiment is commendable.
Aditya Chakrabortty
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Well said.we have ended up with a system shot through by two toxic beliefs.
One, that poverty is the product of personal moral failure. For the former chancellor George Osborne, it was about skivers v strivers. For IDS, poverty was the rotten fruit of broken families, addiction or debt. Neither man, nor the rest of their party, can accept what their rightwing counterparts in Finland do: that poverty is no more than a lack of money.
I'm not sure I'm convinced about it working 'for everyone' but I certainly think the Finnish experiment is commendable.
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Some wag has suggested ScotlandPorFavor wrote:There's a possibility that Carles Puigdemont will seek political asylum in Belgium (Sky TV News).
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Simplest cases,claims of success reminds of something else.The "lack of money",schtick totally ignores the structural/situational barriers that no amount of money can overcome on an individual basis.Quite clear to me why the Right would be attracted.
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Yes, this is certainly well worth watching.gilsey wrote:A basic income for everyone? Yes, Finland shows it really can work
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sic-income" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Well said.we have ended up with a system shot through by two toxic beliefs.
One, that poverty is the product of personal moral failure. For the former chancellor George Osborne, it was about skivers v strivers. For IDS, poverty was the rotten fruit of broken families, addiction or debt. Neither man, nor the rest of their party, can accept what their rightwing counterparts in Finland do: that poverty is no more than a lack of money.
I'm not sure I'm convinced about it working 'for everyone' but I certainly think the Finnish experiment is commendable.
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Brexit deal will only be legal after a vote of MPs
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I'm an old fart,I actually think account of contributions(in broad terms and reconfigured)and State reciprocity is worth preserving,especially when it is increasingly getting shredded.This smacks of an individualised reverse,have some dosh regardless,to me,great to those that have choice,increasingly not on a continuum IMHO,at best "service" and less choice.
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Drip by drip, they are having to recognise reality.citizenJA wrote:Brexit deal will only be legal after a vote of MPs
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It won't be worth it if a Universal Income is used as an excuse to dismantle public servicesHindleA wrote:I'm an old fart,I actually think account of contributions(in broad terms and reconfigured)and State reciprocity is worth preserving,especially when it is increasingly getting shredded.This smacks of an individualised reverse,have some dosh regardless,to me,great to those that have choice,increasingly not on a continuum IMHO,at best "service" and less choice.
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I'm out of whack with some if not many.Ironically and counter intuitively I cannot see if generally applied,rather than emancipatory,increased contingency,removing of choice at best,fundamentally different situations have to be treated fundamentally differently."Universal"is a double edged sword.
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And this is why some of us are wary of fully embracing the idea. But done right, it also has the potential to be an extremely good thing - hence the interest in Finland.citizenJA wrote:It won't be worth it if a Universal Income is used as an excuse to dismantle public servicesHindleA wrote:I'm an old fart,I actually think account of contributions(in broad terms and reconfigured)and State reciprocity is worth preserving,especially when it is increasingly getting shredded.This smacks of an individualised reverse,have some dosh regardless,to me,great to those that have choice,increasingly not on a continuum IMHO,at best "service" and less choice.
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Labour call for ‘cross party’ housing policy
Labour call for ‘cross party’ housing policy
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You've been instrumental in changing my mind about UBI, which I used to view far more favourably than I do now.HindleA wrote:I'm out of whack with some if not many.Ironically and counter intuitively I cannot see if generally applied,rather than emancipatory,increased contingency,removing of choice at best,fundamentally different situations have to be treated fundamentally differently."Universal"is a double edged sword.
Saving unemployed/underemployed people from having to engage with the ridiculous conditionality would be a great thing though.
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He's merely exercising his right to the freedom of movement within the EU!AnatolyKasparov wrote:Some wag has suggested ScotlandPorFavor wrote:There's a possibility that Carles Puigdemont will seek political asylum in Belgium (Sky TV News).
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Meanwhile, the SNP continue to alienate Spain - a country which could make an independent Scotland's entry to the EU very difficult.
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Saw Death of Stalin last night. Very good, recommend it highly.
This Iannucci interview very good, especially from 8.15 onwards
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This Iannucci interview very good, especially from 8.15 onwards
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It is a non-starter when you look at the figures. Lovely idea of course.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, this is certainly well worth watching.gilsey wrote:A basic income for everyone? Yes, Finland shows it really can work
Aditya Chakrabortty
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sic-income" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Well said.we have ended up with a system shot through by two toxic beliefs.
One, that poverty is the product of personal moral failure. For the former chancellor George Osborne, it was about skivers v strivers. For IDS, poverty was the rotten fruit of broken families, addiction or debt. Neither man, nor the rest of their party, can accept what their rightwing counterparts in Finland do: that poverty is no more than a lack of money.
I'm not sure I'm convinced about it working 'for everyone' but I certainly think the Finnish experiment is commendable.
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With apologies for typos and misspellings
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And there are some slightly different variants circulating. I decided not to include the "indiscretions".
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Three female MPs on "the list", I see.......
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I place no store in that list, and I think it is a silly thing to post.
It includes, say, Amber Rudd for being in a relationship with Kwasi Kwarteng, which as far as I am aware isn't immoral, unless we're supposed to be in the business of condemning relationships outside of wedlock.
It isn't very helpful, as it lumps together some pretty serious allegations, with things that are both public knowledge and not immoral on any view.
I've no doubt that some MPs have done some horrible things. That just doesn't have much to do with some of the names on that list.
It includes, say, Amber Rudd for being in a relationship with Kwasi Kwarteng, which as far as I am aware isn't immoral, unless we're supposed to be in the business of condemning relationships outside of wedlock.
It isn't very helpful, as it lumps together some pretty serious allegations, with things that are both public knowledge and not immoral on any view.
I've no doubt that some MPs have done some horrible things. That just doesn't have much to do with some of the names on that list.
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I am aware that "the list" lumps very innocuous consensual stuff together with things that, if true, the perpetrators deserve banging up for.
But sooner or later the latter group are going to be "outed" fully - its only a matter of time.
But sooner or later the latter group are going to be "outed" fully - its only a matter of time.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:I am aware that "the list" lumps very innocuous consensual stuff together with things that, if true, the perpetrators deserve banging up for.
But sooner or later the latter group are going to be "outed" fully - its only a matter of time.
I fully approve of outing people who have committed serious wrongdoing.
I don't approve at all of lumping them in with people who've done nothing at all, and sniggering over it. Juvenile.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Three female MPs on "the list", I see.......
And you've checked out what their accused of?
I don't approve of this list of names, and think it is probably defamatory by association.
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No, I haven't seen the details - just mentioning because some might be surprised the list isn't all male.
There is at least one Tory woman MP not cited that I have heard "interesting" things about. Let's just leave it there.
There is at least one Tory woman MP not cited that I have heard "interesting" things about. Let's just leave it there.
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It is only"surprising" if you thought, as is suggested by the claim that those guilty of "indiscretions" have been removed, that this is a list of those accused of sexual harrasment. It isn't.AnatolyKasparov wrote:No, I haven't seen the details - just mentioning because some might be surprised the list isn't all male.
There is at least one Tory woman MP not cited that I have heard "interesting" things about. Let's just leave it there.
That list includes people who have been accused of nothing more than having consensual sexual relations with other people. It isn't "surprising" at all.
I suppose some people, presumably Paul, think that because they're Tories they're just fair game. Nobody, I hope, would consider posting a list like that with the names of say sports celebrities, some accused of serious wrongdoing others of nothing but not being married to the person they have sex with.
I don't agree. There are good and sufficient reasons, not just legal, for not posting lists like that. That they're Tories might justify it in the heads of some, but I'd suggest you're wrong.
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No juvenile is discounting as irrelevant and then giving further information because you didn't get there first.I had no idea about Amber Rudd,and as far as I am concerned reaction to that information is more emetic than sniggering.
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I think you are reading a bit much into PfY's motivations there, he just reproduced a list that has been posted elsewhere.
Everybody is well aware now that not everyone listed is suspected of serious sexual misconduct.
Everybody is well aware now that not everyone listed is suspected of serious sexual misconduct.
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That you're repeating something somebody else has already said is no excuse at all.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I think you are reading a bit much into PfY's motivations there, he just reproduced a list that has been posted elsewhere.
Everybody is well aware now that not everyone listed is suspected of serious sexual misconduct.
As for Paul's motives, I don't know and make no claim about them.
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The actual evidence is against you,in that regard and clear to see.You are in essence,a bully.People have their own sensitivities which you compute and attempt to use against.
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This is the updated list of target seats where Labour has opened selection contests
This is the updated list of target seats where Labour has opened selection contests
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Consultation outcome
Funding for supported housing
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Open consultation
Funding for supported housing - two consultations
Consultation outcome
Funding for supported housing
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It's a list that is being widely circulated in the news.SpinningHugo wrote:I place no store in that list, and I think it is a silly thing to post.
It includes, say, Amber Rudd for being in a relationship with Kwasi Kwarteng, which as far as I am aware isn't immoral, unless we're supposed to be in the business of condemning relationships outside of wedlock.
It isn't very helpful, as it lumps together some pretty serious allegations, with things that are both public knowledge and not immoral on any view.
I've no doubt that some MPs have done some horrible things. That just doesn't have much to do with some of the names on that list.
We can discuss it and I don't need your approval to post anything thank you.
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Well don't tell me my post is "silly" then.SpinningHugo wrote:That you're repeating something somebody else has already said is no excuse at all.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I think you are reading a bit much into PfY's motivations there, he just reproduced a list that has been posted elsewhere.
Everybody is well aware now that not everyone listed is suspected of serious sexual misconduct.
As for Paul's motives, I don't know and make no claim about them.
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Exactly. I passed no judgement on anyone on the list. It's of interest.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I think you are reading a bit much into PfY's motivations there, he just reproduced a list that has been posted elsewhere.
Everybody is well aware now that not everyone listed is suspected of serious sexual misconduct.
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That'll be the explanation for the laughing emojis I expect.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Exactly. I passed no judgement on anyone on the list. It's of interest.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I think you are reading a bit much into PfY's motivations there, he just reproduced a list that has been posted elsewhere.
Everybody is well aware now that not everyone listed is suspected of serious sexual misconduct.
A dispassionate passing on of information.
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Grant Shapps has long been an object of certain ridicule on here, it's fair to say. Hence the emojis.SpinningHugo wrote:That'll be the explanation for the laughing emojis I expect.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Exactly. I passed no judgement on anyone on the list. It's of interest.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I think you are reading a bit much into PfY's motivations there, he just reproduced a list that has been posted elsewhere.
Everybody is well aware now that not everyone listed is suspected of serious sexual misconduct.
A dispassionate passing on of information.
Heaton-Harris was a minor personal Schadenfreude from me because I work at a University and he sent that rather troubling letter round just last week.
I don't need to justify myself to you btw, but thought fellow posters might enjoy the explanation.
Now leave it please. Anatoly has also asked you to leave it.
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So it was gleeful gloating about the Tories you specifically dislike, but just passing on information about the rest?
Of course you're not answerable to me. I'm certainly not suggesting you are.
Of course you're not answerable to me. I'm certainly not suggesting you are.