Tuesday 31st October 2017

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 6:33 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:So it was gleeful gloating about the Tories you specifically dislike, but just passing on information about the rest?

Of course you're not answerable to me. I'm certainly not suggesting you are.

Why speak like it then? Other folk here manage to be more civil even when they disagree with me.

And yet again you put words in my mouth. Where did I say they were Tories I specifically dislike? I didn't. You are IMHO wrong to pursue this.

I and others here find Shapps funny because, well where to start? It probably started with the multiple identities, which does have comedy value IMHO.

And I explained Heaton-Harris. It relates to me in my professional context. The letter he sent was deeply weird and troubling to many in Universities. Is that OK with the self-appointed FTN arbiter of good taste please?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 6:34 pm

Mr Green/Shapps is always good for a laugh .

Until you see how far the con-men are successful at the mom .

Then it's not so funny, see Trump ?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 6:37 pm

frog222 wrote:Mr Green/Shapps is always good for a laugh .

Until you see how far the con-men are successful at the mom .

Then it's not so funny, see Trump ?

Phew and I thought it was just me

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 6:54 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
frog222 wrote:Mr Green/Shapps is always good for a laugh .

Until you see how far the con-men are successful at the mom .

Then it's not so funny, see Trump ?
Phew and I thought it was just me

Hehe ! More seriously, the lovely Giulia Enders has an anecdote about a sea-creature that moves around looking for a place to settle .

When it has found its haven, food supplies handy and so on, it eats its own brain .

Well, you only need a brain if you are moving .

The similarity with those people who are terminally fixed with certain ideologies, tribal loyalties, etc, I find rather apt

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 7:07 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... dling-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Facebook, Google and Twitter grilled by Congress over Russian meddling – live

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 7:12 pm

Australia

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... he-iceberg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reports of poor standards in aged care are just the tip of the iceberg
Sarah Russell

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 7:14 pm

Bex Bailey is, even now, very brave.

There should be zero tolerance for this stuff in any political party, indeed any branch of politics (or media)

The end.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 7:19 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41811492" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NI budget planned amid deadlocked Stormont talks

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 7:51 pm

For about 100 reasons I found this from 2016 'interesting'

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:00 pm

I have always 'caused trouble'
But I don't do it on purpose. It is merely on account of what I see as being helpful/appropriate.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:06 pm

Good evening

Nice to see PfY maintaining his politeness after a slime attack from our usual suspect!

On that list, we have to remember that this originated from the Tories - this is not 'dirty tricks' by Labour but is likely to be a means for the party to keep MPs in line and make sure they don't rebel - there will be a similar list on the Labour side too I imagine - it is just they haven't let it slip

Some of these people will be no more guilty than having relationships but others will have been behaving disgracefully, and some will have been very exploitative

As to it being a Tory list, well for once it isn't Labour (although the establishment has been rallying round with the commentators doing their best to sweep it under the carpet - would it be thus with Labour - I think not) and I do admit to a bit of Schadenfreude seeing how these holier than thou arrogant wankers are frequently in the tv studios taking the high moral ground against the poor and those less fotunate as themselves

So, is this a solely Tory problem - of course not, but it is good that it is them and some of those names do give me cause for a bit of a giggle

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:12 pm

Evening all

Have successfully induction cooked potatoes.

Meanwhile in political news, the US election/Russia investigation is slowly heating up:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/ ... ion-244370" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Clovis said to be 'cooperative witness' in Senate Russia probe

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:15 pm

Willow904 wrote:Evening all

Have successfully induction cooked potatoes.

Meanwhile in political news, the US election/Russia investigation is slowly heating up:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/ ... ion-244370" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Clovis said to be 'cooperative witness' in Senate Russia probe

This apparently simple statement terrifies me. What does it mean? What kind of technology does it require? Will I be required to learn how to do it at any point or can it be avoided?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:16 pm

(quietly freaking out)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:17 pm

Ha,ha.I have visions of potatoes being formally introduced to a cooker.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:22 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:For about 100 reasons I found this from 2016 'interesting'

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1013#p126361" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is sometimes fun to look back on old threads and see what we said in the past - my assumption about no early general election was not the most accurate I have seen for example! Although I did say it was 'very unlikely' so left myself the tiniest bit of wriggle room

I see my tetchiness hasn't shown any signs of improving, however, and apologies for that - I am the scorpion in the 'frog and the scorpion'

PS I also got bored with ignoring SH.....find it much more fun arguing

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:24 pm

Willow904 wrote:Evening all

Have successfully induction cooked potatoes.

Meanwhile in political news, the US election/Russia investigation is slowly heating up:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/ ... ion-244370" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Clovis said to be 'cooperative witness' in Senate Russia probe

Mueller seems to be playing this one through and things must be getting a bit warm.....how long before Trump does something stupid like trying to sack him or issue pardons?

What will the reaction to such a blatant misuse of power be (although I have a feeling it is not actually proscribed and illegal to do)?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:26 pm

Well after your "incisive" comment regarding me,I did look back on mine.I couldn't really see any evidence of that.Overrall impression was an incredible amount of bollox,which I think I have maintained a certain level of consistency over some time.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:29 pm

TC2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:31 pm

HindleA wrote:Well after your "incisive" comment regarding me,I did look back on mine.I couldn't really see any evidence of that.Overrall impression was an incredible amount of bollox,which I think I have maintained a certain level of consistency over some time.

you do yourself a disservice young sir

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:33 pm

HindleA wrote:TC2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thanks

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:33 pm

I do sometimes make points etc,amidst the bollox,or try to.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:34 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 29916.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
David Davis concedes that Brexit withdrawal agreement with EU will 'probably favour the union' financially

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 8:56 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Bex Bailey is, even now, very brave.

There should be zero tolerance for this stuff in any political party, indeed any branch of politics (or media)

The end.

Age and gender of MPs should mean more Tories implicated than Labour. It may be bad.

But

There are elements of the left who confuse politics with moral rectitude. The foolish idea that there are goodies and baddies, and that all are on one side or the other.

It was this idea hat led to Shami Chakrabarti being given a peerage and being made a shadow minister immediately after conducting an independent review into anti-Semitism. So sure were they of their own moral superiority that they couldn't see how awful, and reputation shredding this was.

The expenses scandal should have taught us that it isn't true that moral virtue is all n one side, but apparently we'll have to relearn thay again, with some people posting lists of Tories implicated without evidence (Amber Rudd ffs).

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 9:25 pm

Well of course,your whole schtick is claiming moral superiority.Despite repeated polite and extremely tolerant put requests,you continue to show disrespect,another salient evidential feature of nearly all your posts.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 9:26 pm

Did I just see that right

Hugo accusing others of foolishly believing there are just goodies and baddies when he has demonstrated time and again that he cannot think in any other way than this!

Of course there are 'elements of the left' who believe this - do you think this is news? I think we all have met them and find them insufferably boring.

Anyone who sees things in such simplistic terms, such as yourself and these 'elements of the left' have very little interesting to say in general.....refusing to understand the complexity of the world

The point about Chakrabarti is you just expressing your opinion (and managing to bring up this anti-semitism nonsense again at the same time) - you may have found it awful and 'reputation shredding' but some of us didn't and found the whole thing a bit of trumped up hysteria at a time when the Labour Party was busy trying to tear itself to shreds.

I really don't give a shit about this list....it doesn't make me think any worse of many of the names on it than I do now anyway as I think the Tories are a despicable lot based on what they are doing to the poor in this country - an I think that they are immoral to do so

You are only too happy to chuck around these anti-semitism claims and repeat many of the mistruths about Corbyn in the press so I don't think you are in any position to criticise - like many of us you are happy to share dubious information if it promotes your point of view

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 9:30 pm

TC2 apart from an extreme ironing injury when following your encouragement,I can't recall you causing me any particular trouble.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 9:31 pm

HindleA wrote:TC2 apart from an extreme ironing injury when following your encouragement,I can't recall you causing me any particular trouble.

need to try harder then tc2!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 9:48 pm

Apologies for posting information about induction cookers.I fully realise this was an intentional snipe at other types of cooker and nothing to do with sharing information.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 9:51 pm

This was pretty inevitable but won't go down at all well in certain right wing 'shrink the state at all costs' circles.

Brexit: Whitehall headcount to balloon by 8,000 workers

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... avid-davis

Preparations to leave the EU have already cost the government half a billion pounds and will lead the headcount in Whitehall to balloon by at least 8,000 workers by the end of next year, the government has admitted.

The Brexit secretary, David Davis, told the cabinet there had been a “significant acceleration” in work to get Britain ready for its EU departure, with 300 programmes under way across the government.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:04 pm

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Hillsborough Law Supporters

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:17 pm

I note that nearly all leading Corbyn-sympathetic people on social media have been exemplary on the Bailey business (despite SH's comment above)

Apart from anything else, these people *will* have noticed the devastating effect that whitewashing "Comrade Delta" had on the SWP.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:25 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I note that nearly all leading Corbyn-sympathetic people on social media have been exemplary on the Bailey business (despite SH's comment above)

Apart from anything else, these people *will* have noticed the devastating effect that whitewashing "Comrade Delta" had on the SWP.

Type "Kuennesberg" into the twittee search engine and see the reaction to her reporting of the story.

"But the Tories..."

"Exemplary" is not the description I'd use.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:34 pm

Do you know what "leading" actually means??

Of course you do, so even by your standards this is breathtakingly disingenuous.

For the benefit of the hard of thinking, or the terminally mendacious - ANONYMOUS IDIOTS ON TWITTER WITH A HANDFUL OF FOLLOWERS DON'T COUNT HERE.

Indeed, it would not be a surprise if some were "bots" or trolls aiming to discredit the cause.

Would it??

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:35 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Willow904 wrote:Evening all

Have successfully induction cooked potatoes.

Meanwhile in political news, the US election/Russia investigation is slowly heating up:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/ ... ion-244370" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Clovis said to be 'cooperative witness' in Senate Russia probe
This apparently simple statement terrifies me. What does it mean? What kind of technology does it require? Will I be required to learn how to do it at any point or can it be avoided?

Sorry not to respond earlier. I didn't mean to spread alarm

There was a whole background story to this statement but the basic upshot is that I recently ended up the owner of an induction hob cooker and am now endeavouring to enter the Star Trek-like future of cooking via electromagnetism. So far it's been an experience. Will be attempting spaghetti bolognese tomorrow, which may prove interesting.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:40 pm

HindleA wrote:TC2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the key point.

Cooktops are also usually easy to clean, because the cooktop itself does not get very hot.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:42 pm

I have servants for such tasks,doesn't everybody?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:46 pm

Willow904 wrote: Sorry not to respond earlier. I didn't mean to spread alarm There was a whole background story to this statement but the basic upshot is that I recently ended up the owner of an induction hob cooker and am now endeavouring to enter the Star Trek-like future of cooking via electromagnetism. So far it's been an experience. Will be attempting spaghetti bolognese tomorrow, which may prove interesting.

I feel a personal responsibility for the quality of your bolognese....

Hope you don't need too many new pans.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:53 pm

Did have amahs for part of my childhood,,it was the norm.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 10:56 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Do you know what "leading" actually means??

Of course you do, so even by your standards this is breathtakingly disingenuous.

For the benefit of the hard of thinking, or the terminally mendacious - ANONYMOUS IDIOTS ON TWITTER WITH A HANDFUL OF FOLLOWERS DON'T COUNT HERE.

Indeed, it would not be a surprise if some were "bots" or trolls aiming to discredit the cause.

Would it??

False flag conspirators trying to discredit the true left you mean?

No doubt.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:01 pm

gilsey wrote:
Willow904 wrote: Sorry not to respond earlier. I didn't mean to spread alarm There was a whole background story to this statement but the basic upshot is that I recently ended up the owner of an induction hob cooker and am now endeavouring to enter the Star Trek-like future of cooking via electromagnetism. So far it's been an experience. Will be attempting spaghetti bolognese tomorrow, which may prove interesting.
I feel a personal responsibility for the quality of your bolognese....

Hope you don't need too many new pans.

Explorations with a magnet revealed one current pan suitable for induction cooking!

New replacements came in at roughly what we would normally pay for installation of a gas cooker, though, so not so bad.

As memories of cooking on electric are of solid hotplates that take forever to heat up and cool down, I don't think there'll be any regrets. The sheer speed alone is worth getting to grips with mysterious noises and strange keypad controls.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:04 pm

Night all.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:05 pm

So SH, you deny that there are bots and trolls on Twitter?

A few right wingers have been exposed as pretending to be Corbynistas on social media, FWIW.

Don't see why anybody should be surprised tbh - the same thing happens with for example football (people pretending to support a team they don't) all the time.

If you don't think this sort of thing goes on you are very naive. And despite my disagreements with you, I refuse to believe that you are.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:11 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:So SH, you deny that there are bots and trolls on Twitter?

A few right wingers have been exposed as pretending to be Corbynistas on social media, FWIW.

Don't see why anybody should be surprised tbh - the same thing happens with for example football (people pretending to support a team they don't) all the time.

If you don't think this sort of thing goes on you are very naive. And despite my disagreements with you, I refuse to believe that you are.

I'm sure there are some

I am also quite sure that vast majority denouncing Kuennesberg as a Tory stooge and moaning "but the Tories" are not bots.

So, you're characterisation of the reaction as "exemplary" is not one I'd accept. I'd suggest yet a further example of the naive view that personal virtue is on one side (see this board all too frequently). Politics as sport, yet again.

People are, of course, free to go look for themselves and make their own minds up.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:22 pm

Yet again, I said "LEADING". Stop pretending that I didn't, or that you don't know what the word means.

Take a look at what the likes of what (for example) Bastani, Jones, Wilkinson and Gann have said. Some have, indeed, called out the anonymous idiots for their idiocy.

That's me done for the day, good night.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:25 pm

Good night AK and Willow

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 Oct, 2017 11:57 pm

Hope PF and cja are o.k.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Nov, 2017 1:47 am

"Not for me to suggest what constitutes bullying, total misrepresentation of individuals,posts and evidential reverse of given portrayal of forum"
Certainly not.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Nov, 2017 1:49 am

Or indeed unacceptable behaviour,sneering contempt and lack of basic respect.

Never,no way.