Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 7:10 am
Morning all.
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 9:06 am
Good morfternoon.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 9:38 am
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"The Fantasyland version of Britain is alive and kicking – and driving Brexit"
"The Fantasyland version of Britain is alive and kicking – and driving Brexit"
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 9:50 am
Good-morning, everyone
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 9:58 am
Nobody else resigned yet?
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:10 am
Not yet. Theresa May is scratching around for a new Defence Secretary at the moment. (Apparently, the appointment is to be announced at 11am-ish.)AnatolyKasparov wrote:Nobody else resigned yet?
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:12 am
But she has to find a replacement less sleazy than Fallon - from among Tory MPs. Quite a challenge.PorFavor wrote:Not yet. Theresa May is scratching around for a new Defence Secretary at the moment. (Apparently, the appointment is to be announced at 11am-ish.)AnatolyKasparov wrote:Nobody else resigned yet?
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:21 am
I was surprised to see someone comment that Fallon's career was over, sadly DFDS Liam Fox's wasn't.
Whatever Fallon's indiscretions were, I'd be very surprised if they achieve Fox's level of corruption.
There was only Hammond in between, I hadn't realised that until now.
Whatever Fallon's indiscretions were, I'd be very surprised if they achieve Fox's level of corruption.
There was only Hammond in between, I hadn't realised that until now.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:22 am
He is getting on now, though.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:29 am
His career certainly wouldn't survive a Labour interregnum, which hopefully will be quite long.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:34 am
And the new Defence Secretary is . . .
Gavin Williamson?
Gavin Williamson?
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:35 am
If true, who will be the next Chief Whip?
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:35 am
Morning.
This is a possible example of what I was talking about yesterday. The difference between Bex Bailey coming forward to talk about her experiences in order to try to shine a light on the problems that women face within politics in order try to make things better for future generations and this Tory list. The author of the list is obscure. The motives of the list leaker is obscure. There are real question marks around the veracity of the list. And innocent parties mentioned on the list do not appear to have been consulted. This list, in other words, isn't necessarily about furthering women's rights. It may have positive consequences for women's rights, but I am very wary about its origins and the intent of those wielding it.
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This is a possible example of what I was talking about yesterday. The difference between Bex Bailey coming forward to talk about her experiences in order to try to shine a light on the problems that women face within politics in order try to make things better for future generations and this Tory list. The author of the list is obscure. The motives of the list leaker is obscure. There are real question marks around the veracity of the list. And innocent parties mentioned on the list do not appear to have been consulted. This list, in other words, isn't necessarily about furthering women's rights. It may have positive consequences for women's rights, but I am very wary about its origins and the intent of those wielding it.
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 10:42 am
Just to confirm - it is Gavin Williamson.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 11:14 am
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Dubs amendment: Child refugee campaigners lose court battle to force government to take in numbers first promised
Dubs amendment: Child refugee campaigners lose court battle to force government to take in numbers first promised
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 11:49 am
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One minister tells me ‘She is so weak she has let Williamson appoint himself-this is appalling’
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One minister tells me ‘She is so weak she has let Williamson appoint himself-this is appalling’
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Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 11:53 am
Mind you, when you look at the people she's appointed when left to her own devices . . .AngryAsWell wrote:Laura KuenssbergVerified account @bbclaurak 45m45 minutes ago
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One minister tells me ‘She is so weak she has let Williamson appoint himself-this is appalling’
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:02 pm
Interest rate up to 0.5%.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:02 pm
Rate rise to 0.5%.
It was so trailed, even I predicted it.
It was so trailed, even I predicted it.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:13 pm
Gavin not going down well so far :
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Minister tells me: "She's gone mad. It's real 'end of days' stuff. He's [Williamson] a real slimeball, w/ his own leadership team in place"
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Minister tells me: "She's gone mad. It's real 'end of days' stuff. He's [Williamson] a real slimeball, w/ his own leadership team in place"
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:18 pm
Nop, not going well at all for Gav
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So. The chap who sat on the dossier of indiscretion is the new Secretary of State for Defence. I won’t reveal the words used in the newsroom
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Nick Cohen @NickCohen4 17m17 minutes ago
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Said earlier Theresa May wasn't running the country because her 'sole concern was party management'. I now accept she's rubbish at that too.
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So. The chap who sat on the dossier of indiscretion is the new Secretary of State for Defence. I won’t reveal the words used in the newsroom
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Said earlier Theresa May wasn't running the country because her 'sole concern was party management'. I now accept she's rubbish at that too.
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:20 pm
Strong and stable stuff, again.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:22 pm
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An MP formerly loyal to May: “she had a golden opportunity to do the right thing and appoint the right people to the right jobs. She’s just blown it and exposed herself as weaker than any of us thought. She’s being controlled by young men in suits. I now despair”.
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An MP formerly loyal to May: “she had a golden opportunity to do the right thing and appoint the right people to the right jobs. She’s just blown it and exposed herself as weaker than any of us thought. She’s being controlled by young men in suits. I now despair”.
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:28 pm
Gavin Williamson: the cunning Tory chief whip with a tarantula on his desk
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:47 pm
It's be funny but these people call themselves government
I'm concerned, you know?
I'm concerned, you know?
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:52 pm
This is from the BBC’s Nick Eardley.
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I would be sacked if I tweeted the word one minister just used to describe new defence secretary Gavin Williamson
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 12:54 pm
I take it back
It's not funny
It's not funny
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 1:05 pm
The news outlets seem now to be focusing on the interest rate rise. Makes me think that the resignation was deliberately timed with this in mind. Gavin Williamson's doing, then.
Edited - to add a "was"
Edited - to add a "was"
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 1:51 pm
Anyway -
This Gavin Williamson keeping a tarantula in his office lark. Surely that's not normal workplace behaviour. I'd say it was probably designed to intimidate people in a James Bond villain delusion sort of way. I like spiders, but I can imagine the effect being in a room with a tarantula would have on a lot of people. Rather nasty and intimidating behaviour. I thought things were meant to be going to change for the better?
This Gavin Williamson keeping a tarantula in his office lark. Surely that's not normal workplace behaviour. I'd say it was probably designed to intimidate people in a James Bond villain delusion sort of way. I like spiders, but I can imagine the effect being in a room with a tarantula would have on a lot of people. Rather nasty and intimidating behaviour. I thought things were meant to be going to change for the better?
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 1:55 pm
I suspect it's one of those things where it would never ever be allowed in any way at all anywhere else but the commons is, literally, a law unto itself for members and can make its own rules - the appeal courts ruled on this about licensing hours years ago.PorFavor wrote:Anyway -
This Gavin Williamson keeping a tarantula in his office lark. Surely that's not normal workplace behaviour. I'd say it was probably designed to intimidate people in a James Bond villain delusion sort of way. I like spiders, but I can imagine the effect being in a room with a tarantula would have on a lot of people. Rather nasty and intimidating behaviour. I thought things were meant to be going to change for the better?
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:02 pm
Struggling to find much support for May's new appointment:
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Gavin Williamson's promotion: A missed opportunity for May
Sky's Lewis Goodall says the PM's "extremely curious" decision has squandered an opportunity to force change in Westminster.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:05 pm
@adam
Yes - but surely in this new spirit of non-harrassment he should be asked to\volunteer to desist? It is rather overtly unacceptable workplace behaviour.
Yes - but surely in this new spirit of non-harrassment he should be asked to\volunteer to desist? It is rather overtly unacceptable workplace behaviour.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:10 pm
The interest rate rise is a big story though, effectively BoE saying 1.5% GDP growth is the new normal so more than that is inflationary, that's scary stuff.PorFavor wrote:The news outlets seem now to be focusing on the interest rate rise. Makes me think that the resignation was deliberately timed with this in mind. Gavin Williamson's doing, then.
Edited - to add a "was"
Saying the labour market is tight makes Carney look like an idiot.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:19 pm
This is an interesting, non-political article but the above quote did amuse me.'Big void' identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza
Japanese and French scientists made the announcement after two years of study at the famous pyramid complex.
They have been using a technique called muography, which can sense density changes inside large rock structures.
Muography makes use of the shower of high-energy particles that rain down on the Earth's surface from space.
When super-fast comic[sic] rays collide with air molecules, they produce a range of "daughter" particles, including muons. (BBC News website, my emphasis)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41845445
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:22 pm
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:26 pm
Short - but to the point.HindleA wrote:http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1670492 ... ted-by-the
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:41 pm
Afternoon all.
I see there is some general cheering by the right about Esther McVey being appointed to be Deputy Chief Whip as, apparently, she is loathed by the left.
I would have said this was a good move since whips are generally not seen or heard by anyone outside the Commons - who had heard of Gavin Williamson before today for example?
And this...
I see there is some general cheering by the right about Esther McVey being appointed to be Deputy Chief Whip as, apparently, she is loathed by the left.
I would have said this was a good move since whips are generally not seen or heard by anyone outside the Commons - who had heard of Gavin Williamson before today for example?
And this...
Quite.Nick Pettigrew @Nick_Pettigrew 3h3 hours ago
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If you’re forced to make Esther Mcvey Deputy Chief Whip, it suggests you have a pool of talent that could be comfortably contained in a thimble.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:44 pm
An Egyptian pyramid and a formerly unknown cavity within it is the location from which two people emerge and usher in a new golden age for humanity and other life formsPorFavor wrote:This is an interesting, non-political article but the above quote did amuse me.'Big void' identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza
Japanese and French scientists made the announcement after two years of study at the famous pyramid complex.
They have been using a technique called muography, which can sense density changes inside large rock structures.
Muography makes use of the shower of high-energy particles that rain down on the Earth's surface from space.
When super-fast comic[sic] rays collide with air molecules, they produce a range of "daughter" particles, including muons. (BBC News website, my emphasis)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41845445
I read it in a book years ago
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 2:53 pm
McVey's appointment has given some rightwingers the chance to be performatively woke with that quote from McDonnell, though 
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 3:48 pm
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Thousands of disabled people will get higher benefits after winning a legal victory over the Tory government
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Personal Independence Payment (PIP) assessment guidance updated
Thousands of disabled people will get higher benefits after winning a legal victory over the Tory government
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 3:51 pm
Yes - but she is. And the more people are reminded of it, the better.AnatolyKasparov wrote:McVey's appointment has given some rightwingers the chance to be performatively woke with that quote from McDonnell, though
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 3:52 pm
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Personal Independence Payments: 'Statistical norms' and the fight to come
Personal Independence Payments: 'Statistical norms' and the fight to come
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 4:17 pm
That's either complete bollocks or very worrying. Probably both. I could only understand such a statement if it had been made by, say, Michael Fish.7m ago 16:06
Williamson says he was 'absolutely flabbergasted' to be made defence secretary (Politics Live, Guardian)
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 4:29 pm
"I am setting example to our brave servicemen and women by carring around my pet tarantula"
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 5:07 pm
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 5:11 pm
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Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 5:17 pm
Centrist dad types have absolutely no idea of how utterly detested she was by disability campaigners/activists.PorFavor wrote:Yes - but she is. And the more people are reminded of it, the better.AnatolyKasparov wrote:McVey's appointment has given some rightwingers the chance to be performatively woke with that quote from McDonnell, though
Compared to some of them, what JMcD said was positively mild.
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 5:25 pm
Talking of centrist dads, it's a bit disappointing that while they welcome the handover of the Brexit risk register, nobody much seems to be giving Keir Starmer any credit for it 
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 5:45 pm
Don't be silly, he 100% SUPPORTS HARD BREXIT because he doesn't think the referendum result should be reversed this instant
Re: Thursday 2nd November 2017
Posted: Thu 02 Nov, 2017 5:47 pm
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Don't be silly, he 100% SUPPORTS HARD BREXIT because he doesn't think the referendum result should be reversed this instant
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