FlyTheNest

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 12:08 am**

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 10:11 am**

The "Brexit" trade deal is the most complicated in our history - so says David Davis in an interview on Sky TV News. Liam Fox was unavailable to throw in his two penn'orth.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 10:12 am**

Good morfternoon.

(I've been helped to TO, as you can see.)

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 10:35 am**

PorFavor wrote:The "Brexit" trade deal is the most complicated in our history - so says David Davis in an interview on Sky TV News. Liam Fox was unavailable to throw in his two penn'orth.

That's certainly *not* what he was saying a year ago.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 11:08 am**

'Mornin, everbody

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 11:47 am**

https://brignews.com/2017/11/12/reveale ... essor/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Revealed: Stirling University’s ties to Academy run by Russia inquiry professor

Curiouser and curiouser.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 12:04 pm**

Why are factions in Russia, the US, UK and the rest of Europe (not a comprehensive list) involved in antagonism, secrecy, plots and subversion with each other? What's the goal? What do they want? Just asked for it straight out and bargain from there. Save a world of trouble.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 12:15 pm**

Willow904 wrote:https://brignews.com/2017/11/12/reveale ... essor/amp/
Revealed: Stirling University’s ties to Academy run by Russia inquiry professor
Curiouser and curiouser.

And going off at a slight tangent (Sorry if it's been mentioned already, Comrades):

Alex Salmond is to host his own political talk show on RT.
The former first minister announced he will present the programme on the Russian state-owned broadcaster on Thursday. Airing on Thursdays, The Alex Salmond Show will include guests from business, political and entertainment backgrounds.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/alex-salmo ... -1-4609493" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 12:28 pm**

Another name from the past rears its head:

Former SNP MP Michelle Thomson, who was suspended from the party following controversy over her property deals, has launched a business comeback advising firms about Brexit.
She announced the creation of her new company Momentous Change three months after the Crown Office said she would not face prosecution following a police investigation into alleged mortgage fraud. Thomson’s co-founder in what is described as a “niche consultancy with international ambitions” is Roger Mullin, the former SNP MP who lost his Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath seat earlier this year and who was an academic before entering politics.

Let's just say that if I were a solicitor, this is one company I'd steer clear of:

Police became involved after Christopher Hales, her former solicitor, was struck off for professional misconduct over 13 deals in 2010 and 2011 that raised the question of mortgage fraud. All were linked to the former MP or to M&F Property Solutions, of which Thomson was a partner.
Thomson was also forced to deny accusations that her firm targeted the vulnerable by buying up homes at below market value from those desperate for a quick sale, before selling them on for a quick profit.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/f ... -1-4610876" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The sharks are circling!

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 12:48 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... estigation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Boris Johnson is facing questions about the government’s links to key individuals named by the FBI in its Trump-Russia investigation, following the emergence of a photo of him with Joseph Mifsud, the “London professor” with high-level Kremlin contacts.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 1:03 pm**

Eric_WLothian wrote:
Willow904 wrote:https://brignews.com/2017/11/12/reveale ... essor/amp/
Revealed: Stirling University’s ties to Academy run by Russia inquiry professor
Curiouser and curiouser.
And going off at a slight tangent (Sorry if it's been mentioned already, Comrades):

Alex Salmond is to host his own political talk show on RT.
The former first minister announced he will present the programme on the Russian state-owned broadcaster on Thursday. Airing on Thursdays, The Alex Salmond Show will include guests from business, political and entertainment backgrounds.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/alex-salmo ... -1-4609493" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

His timing's a little off, getting mixed up with RT just as suspicions of Russian meddling in the US election really starts racheting up.

Makes you wonder about the authenticity of all those aggressive, tone deaf cybernats as well.....

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 1:06 pm**

Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... estigation

Boris Johnson is facing questions about the government’s links to key individuals named by the FBI in its Trump-Russia investigation, following the emergence of a photo of him with Joseph Mifsud, the “London professor” with high-level Kremlin contacts.

Chris Bryant MP, the vice chair of the all-party parliamentary Russia group, said: “It’s all distinctly fishy. Boris Johnson’s relationship with the truth right now seems distinctly casual. We asked him about Russian interference in Brexit in the foreign affairs committee last week and he categorically denied he had seen a shred of evidence. I just thought ‘blimey’. Even as a junior minister in the foreign office, Russian stuff came across my desk every single day.”

I may have unknowingly bumped into the truth at some time, but if so it meant nothing too me and we no longer keep in touch.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 1:19 pm**

Sunday Afternoon Funk Cafe (replacing last night's postponed groove event).

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Yo - Tarquin. This one's for you.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 1:45 pm**

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Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 1:48 pm**

Willow904 wrote: His timing's a little off, getting mixed up with RT just as suspicions of Russian meddling in the US election really starts racheting up.

Makes you wonder about the authenticity of all those aggressive, tone deaf cybernats as well.....

Russian meddling? ...but Putin denied it twice so it can't be true.

It will be interesting to see which "guests from business, political and entertainment backgrounds" put their heads over the parapet for Alexei.

Lib Dem Alex Cole-Hamilton challenged the former first minister to interview opponents of the Putin regime such as punk band Pussy Riot or Marina Litvinenko, justice campaigner and widow of murdered spy and dissident Alexander Litvinenko.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/n ... -1-4610054" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 1:56 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -world-war" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The forgotten Muslim heroes who fought for Britain in the trenches
The stories of the 2.5 million Muslims who travelled to Europe to fight for the allies during the first world war are finally being told

Having travelled thousands of miles from hotter climes, these soldiers went into the trenches with imams whose duties included leading group prayers and reciting the call to prayer into the ears of the dying. Special orders had been issued on when and how to pray. “If the war is intense and the Muslim does not have a moment of peace to fulfil his prayer he can just move his head and torso,” said a declaration from French high command. “In the case where there are moments of calm, one can complete the prayer together.”

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 1:59 pm**

Sir James Dyson's Vision For Post-Brexit Britain Is Raising A Few Eyebrows
'Families will pay the price'.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s ... k-homepage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Billionaire businessman Sir James Dyson has said it is time to walk away from negotiations with the EU and a post-Brexit Britain should scrap corporation tax and make it easier to hire and fire workers.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 2:01 pm**

Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... estigation

Boris Johnson is facing questions about the government’s links to key individuals named by the FBI in its Trump-Russia investigation, following the emergence of a photo of him with Joseph Mifsud, the “London professor” with high-level Kremlin contacts.

Why am I reminded of the episode of "Blackadder goes Forth" where George admits to writing letters to "Uncle Hermann in Munich".

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 2:05 pm**

People really shouldn't start blaming Russia for everything that has happened which they don't like in the last few years.

Russia didn't cause Brexit, Russia didn't cause Trump, Russia hasn't made our government become a total clown show.

There's a few people out there (especially certain media commentators on both sides of the Atlantic) yearning for the moral certainties of the Cold War IMO.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 2:54 pm**

Russia is run by a bunch of crooks and the UK is run by a bunch of spivs and neither have the best interests of ordinary UK citizens at heart.

We're leaving the EU because a hotch potch of wealthy people, from billionaire newspaper owners and dodgy City bankers to Russian oligarchs feared new EU tax haven laws would shut down their City of London funnel to their opaque Carribean financial arrangements.

Ordinary people wouldn't have got offered Brexit unless some of those in charge wanted it to happen. Ukip didn't stand a chance of ever wining power democratically, few people cared enough about the EU to vote on it alone. Brexit was driven by Tories. It's completely relevant to investigate who those Tories have been in contact with.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:00 pm**

tinyclanger2 wrote:T3 with the funk

Oh, rapture!

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:03 pm**

The posts from AK and Willow are both valid and don't necessarily contradict each other.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:23 pm**

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 50866.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Accounts from 'troll factory' in St Petersburg sent hundreds of thousands of pro-Leave tweets on polling day"

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:35 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:People really shouldn't start blaming Russia for everything that has happened which they don't like in the last few years.

Russia didn't cause Brexit, Russia didn't cause Trump, Russia hasn't made our government become a total clown show.

There's a few people out there (especially certain media commentators on both sides of the Atlantic) yearning for the moral certainties of the Cold War IMO.

Perfectly described, 'yearning for the moral certainties of the Cold War'
It's easier to focus on a single foe than it is to untangle and make sense of interconnected problems and issues.

I've no time for sloppy, ham-fisted, phoney, conspiracy theorist whataboutery hijacking real news. The barrage of noise there doesn't negate real links and factual evidence of wrongdoing. I don't think Russia pushed some button and made Brexit or Trump happen but I do think Willow's description of the nefariousness of Russian leadership is accurate.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:37 pm**

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(sorry)

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:44 pm**

tinybgoat wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 50866.html
"Accounts from 'troll factory' in St Petersburg sent hundreds of thousands of pro-Leave tweets on polling day"

It's a win-win, isn't it?
Cost effective hyper prattle apathy generation confusion to the enemy squirrel chatter
Call it out as the disingenuous psychological distortion it is and get called a conspiracy-loving freak

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:48 pm**

Media is used to manipulate, it's a real danger. It's intended to do harm, cause confusion, distortion and spread lies.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:50 pm**

A long read, but worthwhile. Russian mafia, arms deals, Putin, Trump connection. It does feel, even taking Anatoly’s caveats, as if the world is being run by and for gangsters (which term includes most of the Paradise Papers stars).
https://www.propublica.org/article/figh ... s-in-spain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:02 pm**

Interesting thread :
@J_amesp
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I’ve been running an analysis of Russian Brexit trolls and bots. It’s worse than we thought even yesterday. (THREAD)

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(Helps if you are familiar with his #UsePens thread)

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:43 pm**

Good piece by Corbyn, on Johnson, in the Observer: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... hnson-iran" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:58 pm**

Britain Elects‏
@britainelects
6h6 hours ago
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Public opinion towards...

Theresa May
Satisfied: 37%
Dissatisfied: 53%
NET: -16

Jeremy Corbyn
Satisfied: 42%
Dissatisfied: 45%
NET: -3

via @IpsosMORI

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 5:05 pm**

AngryAsWell wrote:Interesting thread :
@J_amesp
Following Following @J_amesp
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I’ve been running an analysis of Russian Brexit trolls and bots. It’s worse than we thought even yesterday. (THREAD)

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Helps if you are familiar with his #UsePens thread)

Thanks, had link to byline article
https://www.byline.com/column/67/article/1937" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"We need to talk about patriots…."

Following the threads of investigation which led from using pens in the brexit referendum to the St Petersburg troll farm of Russia's Internet Research Agency, the picture of disinformation being used in social media - affecting both the UK and US - exposes the abuse of patriotism as a weapon.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 5:31 pm**

A thread about James Dyson - that well-known "British" manufacturer...

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Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 6:20 pm**

Who does Michael Gove think he is - Mandy Rice Davies?

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 6:49 pm**

David Schneider‏Verified account
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A financial expert called John Redwood advised investors to abandon the UK. The brexiter John Redwood won’t be pleased with that and what do you mean they’re the same person?

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Hypocrisy thy name is Redwood...

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 7:16 pm**

refitman wrote:Good piece by Corbyn, on Johnson, in the Observer: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... hnson-iran" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks.

I expected to see a lot more whatboutery in the comments on this piece, but the overall flavour seems to be Corbyn is right.

Boris's charmed existence may soon be over.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 7:19 pm**

Big earthquake on Iran-Iraq border.

Fingers crossed for those who live there

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 8:03 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
refitman wrote:Good piece by Corbyn, on Johnson, in the Observer: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... hnson-iran" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks.

I expected to see a lot more whatboutery in the comments on this piece, but the overall flavour seems to be Corbyn is right.

Boris's charmed existence may soon be over.

The whataboutery appears after they reopen the comments.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 8:07 pm**

"I voted leave for very good reasons, but now think we cannot get a good Brexit deal. But blaming me is counter-productive; intemperate articles from the liberal political establishment only serve to increase my bloody-mindedness."

If prominent remainers apologise to angry leavers, Brexit can still be avoided
- Brian Forsdick

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... be-avoided" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My community and world are filled with people I don't agree with. I'm trying to see this from the writer's position. I'm having difficulty. What is my response to this person? I don't know at the moment.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 8:13 pm**

The European parliament’s Brexit coordinator, Guy Verhofstadt, told the Observer that the British government, as a co-guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement, should be putting the interests of the people on the island of Ireland ahead of the survival of the Conservative party. He said: “Both the UK and the EU have a duty to work towards a solution for the people of the island of Ireland which avoids the reimposition of any kind of hardened border. It is crucial to safeguard peace and to preserve the Good Friday Agreement, which was brokered with the active participation of the European Union. … I hope the British government will do what is right for all the people of Northern Ireland. The peace process should transcend domestic party politics.”

- EU: ‘Tories putting party before the interests of Northern Ireland’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rn-ireland" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 8:21 pm**

RogerOThornhill wrote:
David Schneider‏Verified account
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A financial expert called John Redwood advised investors to abandon the UK. The brexiter John Redwood won’t be pleased with that and what do you mean they’re the same person?

Hypocrisy thy name is Redwood...

Redwood knows what Brexit will do the UK's economy and he's telling his few to make arrangements to protect themselves.
He's intensely relaxed about most people going under in Brexit UK. He's not being hypocritical, he's a Tory feudal lord.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 9:14 pm**

Eric_WLothian wrote:
Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... estigation

Boris Johnson is facing questions about the government’s links to key individuals named by the FBI in its Trump-Russia investigation, following the emergence of a photo of him with Joseph Mifsud, the “London professor” with high-level Kremlin contacts.
Why am I reminded of the episode of "Blackadder goes Forth" where George admits to writing letters to "Uncle Hermann in Munich".

Spoilers!

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 9:19 pm**

Could God’s own county win control of its own fate as ‘One Yorkshire’?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ing-louder" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of you might enjoy the btl comments.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 10:11 pm**

gilsey wrote:Could God’s own county win control of its own fate as ‘One Yorkshire’?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ing-louder" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of you might enjoy the btl comments.

How did you know? I'd no idea until getting into the comments after reading the article how fascinating the thread is. Thank you.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 10:15 pm**

Night night.

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 10:39 pm**

Not sure if this has been posted, so posting it anyway. Apologise to anyone who has posted it previously

British Lawmaker Advises Investors To Take Their Money Out Of The UK

(this is my favourite bit)

"Sounds sensible, doesn’t it?

No. It is an absolute disgrace for this man to give such advice.

You see, the Rt. Hon. John Redwood MP – to give him his full title – is a lawmaker. He is an elected member of the House of Commons. And not just any lawmaker. He is a senior member of the Conservative Party, which is currently in government and making a total hash of the Brexit negotiations. He is also a former Cabinet Minister and a member of the Privy Council.

This senior lawmaker is advising investors to stop investing in his country."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescop ... df58154c1e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 11:00 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Night night.

Goodnight, PorFavor

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 11:00 pm**

*cough*

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 11:01 pm**

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Posted: **Sun 12 Nov, 2017 11:11 pm**

"On Thursday, the government’s strategy of ignoring votes posed by the opposition by simply not turning up for them comes to an end. A cross-party group of MPs has tabled a motion demanding action and the debate will be focused on the work and pensions select committee’s first report on universal credit. The single recommendation calls for payments to be made no later than four weeks in the first instance."

"With opposition MPs turning out, together with rebels on the Tory benches, the government will be heavily defeated. "

"Up to now, the government has resisted parliamentary control by running away from votes. The debate on the floor of the house on Thursday will be the first that begins to show how a minority government is directed by MPs of all parties."

https://calendar.parliament.uk/calendar ... 1/16/Daily" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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