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Following this consultation, we’ve decided to go ahead with making it mandatory for all slaughterhouses in England to have CCTV.


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The updated guidance for its 4,700 schools, titled Valuing All God’s Children follows advice issued three years ago that covered homophobic bullying. It has now been expanded to include transphobic and biphobic bullying.


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solicitor who claims that the government’s method for recovering possible benefit overpayments from a person’s estate causes misery for the bereaved and overburdens wills and probate lawyers has called for an overhaul of the system.


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Outstanding piece from Zoe Williams

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ts-prisons
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Consensus now is that the Tories were governing, sometimes controversially but broadly effectively, when Brexit came along and capsized everything. This is mistaken: the referendum could only have been called, and the leave campaign only fought, by politicians with a fundamental lack of seriousness, a puerile indifference to the outcome of their decisions.

Long before it gambled with our future prosperity and place in the world, the Conservative party was shooting craps with the lives of its own people.


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Consensus now is that the Tories were governing, sometimes controversially but broadly effectively, when Brexit came along and capsized everything. This is mistaken: the referendum could only have been called, and the leave campaign only fought, by politicians with a fundamental lack of seriousness, a puerile indifference to the outcome of their decisions.

Long before it gambled with our future prosperity and place in the world, the Conservative party was shooting craps with the lives of its own people.


It's an extract from this, yes? I think it's a good article. Here's the link -

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/13/conservative-governments-kill-people-health-disability-benefits-prisons


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People have been diagnosed with Victorian ailments including rickets and TB in one of the wealthiest parts of London, a shocking new report on inequality has revealed.

The gap between rich and poor in health, housing, education and income in the Grenfell fire-hit borough of Kensington and Chelsea has been laid bare in the report, compiled by Labour’s Emma Dent Coad.

The Kensington MP has compiled the report in the wake of the fatal tower block blaze to unmask the yawning gap between rich and poor in the area.


This is really good from Emma Dent Coad. It highlights inequality and the problems it creates, rather than focusing on the narrower issue of fire safety failures at Grenfell. The Tories are trying to create a narrative that only "absolute poverty" is meaningful. That how conditions compare to the poorest parts of the world is more important than the gap between the poorest and the richest of those that live side by side. All the evidence suggests they are wrong. There is evidence that high inequality leads to poorer health outcomes, for the richest as well as the poorest. There is also evidence that living on the bottom rung of an unequal society, however rich or poor overall, creates a great deal of stress, that more equal societies are better for mental wellbeing. Closing the equality gap is something everyone on the left agree on but unfortunately those in the media and many in the wider public still seem to need constant reminding that civilised societies that are pleasant societies for everyone to live in are societies that leave no one behind.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/rickets-kensington-grenfell_uk_5a088895e4b0e37d2f382205/

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People have been diagnosed with Victorian ailments including rickets and TB in one of the wealthiest parts of London, a shocking new report on inequality has revealed.

The gap between rich and poor in health, housing, education and income in the Grenfell fire-hit borough of Kensington and Chelsea has been laid bare in the report, compiled by Labour’s Emma Dent Coad.

The Kensington MP has compiled the report in the wake of the fatal tower block blaze to unmask the yawning gap between rich and poor in the area.


This is really good from Emma Dent Coad. It highlights inequality and the problems it creates, rather than focusing on the narrower issue of fire safety failures at Grenfell. The Tories are trying to create a narrative that only "absolute poverty" is meaningful. That how conditions compare to the poorest parts of the world is more important than the gap between the poorest and the richest of those that live side by side. All the evidence suggests they are wrong. There is evidence that high inequality leads to poorer health outcomes, for the richest as well as the poorest. There is also evidence that living on the bottom rung of an unequal society, however rich or poor overall, creates a great deal of stress, that more equal societies are better for mental wellbeing. Closing the equality gap is something everyone on the left agree on but unfortunately those in the media and many in the wider public still seem to need constant reminding that civilised societies that are pleasant societies for everyone to live in are societies that leave no one behind.

Yes absolutely. Well said.


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This article makes some interesting points about the current housing crisis, especially about the impact of the reduction in social housing and the disparity in incomes between younger and older people:

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People parroting ‘supply and demand’ to explain the ills of the housing market is precisely the problem in the housing debate: which demand? Which price? It’s vital we use the right price measures to avoid drawing the wrong policy conclusions.

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Outstanding piece from Zoe Williams

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ts-prisons
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It's a very strong piece but the comments just show why I rarely go BTL over there any more. So much arseholery and whatabputery it's unbeilveable.


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Hello.

A former "Labour" peer writes:

https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/9 ... 9545832449

I'm almost tempted to say that, hey, at least utter shitLords like Lloyd Webber never pretend to be anything else.


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Sorry - didn't see (or absorb) your earlier post with the link to the Zoe Williams article. I'd just finished reading it (the article) when I blundered in.


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Oh dear, centrist dads won't like that Williams article :)


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PA employers will not be exempt from further HMRC action on minimum wage

“The government will work with local authorities to provide appropriate support on a case by case basis and intends to carefully monitor any additional local authority spending as a result of supporting individuals and the effect on local authority finances.”

But he had not been able to clarify whether HMRC believed local authorities who funded direct payments could now be responsible for meeting the sleep-in shift NMW arrears of individual PA employers.

Sue Bott (, deputy chief executive of Disability Rights UK, has warned that some disabled people are now having to cut back on their day-time support in order to be able to pay NMW rates during the night.

She said: “Although employers will have longer to deal with any underpayment of sleep-ins, the government announcement fails to get to the heart of the problem.

“Of course, PAs and other social care staff should be paid the proper rate for the job, but a direct payment must be sufficient to cover the costs.

“Unfortunately, what we are seeing is that people are having to reduce the support they have in the day to pay for support at night.

“The hole in social care funding just gets deeper every day with disabled people and older people having to pay the price through lack of essential support


"An HMRC spokesman told DNS this week that his department was not able to say how many individual PA employers were being investigated for non-payment of sleep-in NMW arrears."


They just see "business"


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EU : Public consultation on fake news and online disinformation

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The government is considering granting Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe diplomatic status as a means of securing her release, Downing Street said.


and (another statement? expect all to become clear . . .)

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David Davis, the Brexit secretary, will make a statement to MPs this afternoon after last week’s Brexit talks. (Both quotes are from Politics Live, Guardian)


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I hadn't seen this before:

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 5.4&s=70.9


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Sorry - didn't see (or absorb) your earlier post with the link to the Zoe Williams article. I'd just finished reading it (the article) when I blundered in.

No worries if deserves at least two links IMHO ;-)


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Speaker has granted a UQ to @EmilyThornberry on #NazaninZaghariRatcliffe it will be asked at around 3:35pm


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@NonOxCol,thanks for link.

FWIW I had similar results but a tad more "equality" percentage on the economic axis put me in "Libertarian Socialist" category as "closest match"


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The toxic tweets of Putin's pro-Brexit troll factory revealed: Deluge of messages that mocked Remainers came from secret cyber-army
Internet posts made to mock Remainers were made in Kremlin 'troll factory'
They were designed to appear to have been made in Britain or in Europe
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconom ... ng-memory/


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I hope its an improvement on Political Compass, which still positioned Labour to the right of the BNP *even after Corbyn had become leader* :roll:


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https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/time-call-housing-crisis-really-largest-transfer-wealth-living-memory/


https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconom ... d-economy/


Of course this situation benefits those people who own spare land, more than one property, live somewhere which gives them scope to "downsize" or are in line to inherit something (especially when the beneficiary already owns their own place at the time of inheritance).

The rich get rich and the poor get poorer . . .


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Hmmm

Nicky Morgan is on the war path.

May is "tin eared" and Johnson should be sacked.

Emily Thornberry may not have been so far from the mark!


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An update on something which I quoted and posted earlier -

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Richard Ratcliffe is calling for his wife to be offered diplomatic protection, and the Foreign Office is considering this option. That is not the same as her being offered diplomatic status, as I wrongly said earlier. I’ve amended the earlier posts to make that clear. (Andrew Sparrow, Politics Live, Guardian)


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https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/sta ... 4267003909

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It's good to see someone taking this seriously, that's Coppola's second thread on the subject, first one here icymi.
https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/sta ... 1147302912

As with BJ, there's too much eye-rolling and shrugging of shoulders, as if it wasn't important.

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Hello.

A former "Labour" peer writes:

https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/9 ... 9545832449

I'm almost tempted to say that, hey, at least utter shitLords like Lloyd Webber never pretend to be anything else.

I foolishly read some of the replies under that, eventually came to a good one.
'Who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to give you 280 characters'
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Hmmm

Nicky Morgan is on the war path.

May is "tin eared" and Johnson should be sacked.

Emily Thornberry may not have been so far from the mark!

No, didn't you read??? The comment from Thornberry was counterproductive.


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Hello.

A former "Labour" peer writes:

https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/9 ... 9545832449

I'm almost tempted to say that, hey, at least utter shitLords like Lloyd Webber never pretend to be anything else.

I foolishly read some of the replies under that, eventually came to a good one.
'Who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to give you 280 characters'
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Surveys consistently confirm that AS attitudes are more likely to be found on the right, but whatever......


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Mr Ratcliffe’s powerful letter about Nazanin to the Foreign Secretary @EveningStandard: “I want you to solve this mess created in your name”

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(I just retweeted Osborne..... :!: :oops: )


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Mr Ratcliffe’s powerful letter about Nazanin to the Foreign Secretary @EveningStandard: “I want you to solve this mess created in your name”

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/stat ... 3752745985

(I just retweeted Osborne..... :!: :oops: )

I think Morgan and Osborne get on don't they? She defended him when he got his Editor job I think.


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Mrs Morgan said Osborne has been “a very good constituency MP while he was chancellor.” she described his new role as “the ultimate second job”, adding: “We want talented, interesting people to take on these big jobs.”

Mrs Morgan said on ITV’s Robert Peston show: “George is very much about being the voice of the liberal Conservative party. When you’re fired as we all were last summer, what did they expect, the government? That we all just going to disappear?

“No, we are going to make our voices heard, whether it’s me writing articles, whether it’s George being editor of the Evening Standard.

“There’s a liberal Conservatism point of view to be talked about and we’re going to do that.”

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/busi ... 88.article


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Mrs Morgan said Osborne has been “a very good constituency MP while he was chancellor.” she described his new role as “the ultimate second job”, adding: “We want talented, interesting people to take on these big jobs.”

Mrs Morgan said on ITV’s Robert Peston show: “George is very much about being the voice of the liberal Conservative party. When you’re fired as we all were last summer, what did they expect, the government? That we all just going to disappear?

“No, we are going to make our voices heard, whether it’s me writing articles, whether it’s George being editor of the Evening Standard.

“There’s a liberal Conservatism point of view to be talked about and we’re going to do that.”

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/busi ... 88.article

Is there a website called "London hates business"? I'd be interested to read that.


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Julian Lewis , a Conservative, says as Churchillian, Boris Johnson will appreciate that this has not been his finest hour. But he urges the opposition not to play politics with this issue. Referring to Tulip Siddiq’s comment this morning (see 9.17am) , and the way it has been reporting, he says if the Iranians think they can get rid of a foreign secretary by jailing her for longer, they have an incentive to do that.

So he thinks Boris going may hasten her release?


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Revised Statement: productivity, prospects and priorities ahead of the Autumn Budget


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Concentrix fiasco cost HMRC at least £38m, papers reveal


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tinybgoat wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/nov/13/boris-johnson-should-resign-if-british-womans-jail-term-in-iran-gets-extended-says-labour-mp-politics-live?page=with:block-5a09bebcbe620206ef71b48c#block-5a09bebcbe620206ef71b48c
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Julian Lewis , a Conservative, says as Churchillian, Boris Johnson will appreciate that this has not been his finest hour. But he urges the opposition not to play politics with this issue. Referring to Tulip Siddiq’s comment this morning (see 9.17am) , and the way it has been reporting, he says if the Iranians think they can get rid of a foreign secretary by jailing her for longer, they have an incentive to do that.
So he thinks Boris going may hasten her release?
If you're returned to Parliament, Mr. Tory MP, you'll need to know the opposition MP job description. Get busy.


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"Its ironic, Redwood was forced to give this advise to his paid clients because not to do so would be to mislead them which has legal penalties.
He is under no such constraint when advising the electorate."

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