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Made the mistake of listening to the Today programme, which I virtually never do. God Humphrys is awful. His Brexit question was ridiculous. Back to radio 3.


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From the LBC interview with Hammond

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Q: Why was Jeremy Corbyn so angry in the Commons chamber yesterday?
Hammond says that is what Corbyn does. He is “Mr Angry from Islington”.


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Epic twitter thread from Seth Abramson on Trump's visit to Moscow in 2013 and the ever tightening web of evidence:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson ... 0327177216

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Freshly Squeezed: Autumn Budget 2017 response

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https://www.politico.eu/article/brussel ... in-the-uk/

"Brussels says European Capital of Culture can’t be in the UK
European Commission says Brexit vote means a British city can’t be awarded the title in 2023."

"But Reicherts said the scheme is only open to EU countries, candidates to join the bloc and members of the European Economic Area — and the U.K. will be none of those when it leaves the EU in 2019."

Think that means that even if N.ireland stays in customs union Belfast/Derry still don't get a chance.


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Michel Barnier has set his sights on the most cherished aspect of the U.K.’s financial relationship with the EU — its annual budget rebate negotiated by former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.


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https://www.politico.eu/article/commiss ... t-horrors/
"Commission gets glimpse of post-Brexit EU budget horrors
In the worst-case scenario, radical budget cuts would mean no more cohesion funds in most of Western Europe."


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I'd say the first u-turn of the budget will be over that Maths policy...

https://twitter.com/A_Weatherall/status ... 2243856384

Even the party itself can't seem to get the policy definition right - "every" student rather than "additional"

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Made the mistake of listening to the Today programme, which I virtually never do. God Humphrys is awful. His Brexit question was ridiculous. Back to radio 3.


Ah, something we 100% agree on!

(though I think I last listened to Radio 3 sometime in the 1980s)


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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Made the mistake of listening to the Today programme, which I virtually never do. God Humphrys is awful. His Brexit question was ridiculous. Back to radio 3.


Ah, something we 100% agree on!

(though I think I last listened to Radio 3 sometime in the 1980s)



I love radio 3. Couldn't live without it.


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FWIW.T.Monk is composer of the week.I tend to select plays,discussions etc.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ember-2019


Completion of London's Thameslink rail project delayed until December 2019
Promise of 24 Thameslink trains running through central London each hour will not be fulfilled until another £900m of work is carried out

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EU states have scathing view of Britain's handling of Brexit talks, leaked Irish report suggests (Politics Live, Guardian)


I think it goes rather further than "suggests".


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http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/24679


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https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... 16-to-2017


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Social housing sales in England: 2016 to 2017

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Ireland Forces Brexit Clash with Reality
Theresa May faces a more torturous path after the Irish cry foul

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -labour-eu

jeremy-corbyn-brexit-tories-labour-eu

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Keir Starmer has led the way, opposing every government misstep, aligning maximum opposition amendment by amendment. His leaders cannot but see that this is not just right, but politically essential. There is no other place for an opposition to be in this national trauma. My hunch is that the harder Corbyn hits out over Brexit, the stronger Labour’s support will grow. And the word is, that’s what we shall hear from now on.


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David Gauke, the work and pensions secretary, is making a statement to MPs giving more details of the changes to universal credit announced in the budget yesterday. My colleague Peter Walker has the key points.

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Small print of universal credit changes in budget being explained to Commons by David Gauke:
• end of 7-day waiting period won't happen till February
• 2-week extension of housing benefit to reduce rent arrears won't happen till April.
11:56 AM - Nov 23, 2017 (Politics Live, Guardian)


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To save a few pennies, presumably?


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/23/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-tories-labour-eu

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"The word is"

The first time he asked a question at pmqs about Brexit was yesterday.

He and McDonnell are not on her side.

"The real fight starts now."

Errrr, not it doesn't. The fight was back in March. When Labour voted to trigger art 50 without conditions.


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Baker clause: Schools will have to open doors to FE providers from January

https://feweek.co.uk/2017/11/23/baker-clause-schools-will-have-to-open-doors-to-fe-providers-from-january

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According to today’s guidance, “from 2 January 2018 all local-authority-maintained schools and academies must give education and training providers the opportunity to talk to pupils in years 8 to 13 about approved technical qualifications and apprenticeships”.

It continues: “Schools must have clear arrangements in place to ensure that all pupils have opportunities to hear from providers of post-14, post-16 and post-18 options at, and leading up to, important transition points.”

All schools must also publish a policy statement outlining how providers can access the school, the rules for granting and refusing access and what providers can expect once granted access.


I'm assuming that the cheerleaders for school autonomy and letting HTs run schools as they wish will fight this all the way...

They won't because 'school autonomy' is a meaningless slogan.

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The only shadow worse than Starmer is Healey. They both have *easy* briefs. Brexit is a disaster, and the solutions on housing (vast infrastructure spending, deregulation, changes to tax) are obvious.

Labour's mini-manifesto was utterly hopeless on housing

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/upload ... ifesto.pdf


SO bad in fact that the Tories lifted their (very dumb) stamp duty policy straight from it. Thereby innoculating themselves from any criticism by Labour. Aaaaarrrrghh.

I didn't expoect, say, Burgon or Long-Bailey to be any good. I did expect Starmer and Healey to be much, much better.

If these two went, to be replaced by some true believers in the Corbyn faith, I don't see how things would be worse.


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We know that the A50 vote was the be all and end all for you, SH - you have told us enough times after all.

Other people, on here and elsewhere, disagree.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
We know that the A50 vote was the be all and end all for you, SH - you have told us enough times after all.

Other people, on here and elsewhere, disagree.



It was the easily the most important vote, that has become more apparent as each day has passed. But the only thing that mattered? No. If it were, I wou;dn't be so critical of Labour's subsequent utter failure to fight for membership of the single market or custoims union, instead focusing on trivial nonsense like the Charter.


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Watching Liz Truss doing the rounds yesterday had me pondering how it is possible for ostenisibly intelligent people to be so staggeringly useless in the career they have chosen to pursue?


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I voted Lasagne,though there was a touch of greenery.

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Surgical appliance.

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Hello Ray. Meet Joe.

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Understanding ‘what works’ to change attitudes and behaviours

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Why The Chancellor's Silence On Social Care Will Harm People Like My Daughter

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HindleA wrote:
I voted Lasagne,though there was a touch of greenery.


That would be the Lasagne verdi I assume ...


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Stagger Lee wrote:
Watching Liz Truss doing the rounds yesterday had me pondering how it is possible for ostenisibly intelligent people to be so staggeringly useless in the career they have chosen to pursue?


She was an anti-monarchy LibDem once, that's my amazing fact about her :D


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Didn't watch Newsnight but they used Corbyn's response to the Spring budget instead of yesterdays.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Stagger Lee wrote:
Watching Liz Truss doing the rounds yesterday had me pondering how it is possible for ostenisibly intelligent people to be so staggeringly useless in the career they have chosen to pursue?


She was an anti-monarchy LibDem once, that's my amazing fact about her :D


I read that when I checked her wiki yesterday. Amazing.


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Didn't watch Newsnight but they used Corbyn's response to the Spring budget instead of yesterdays.


I know they were similar in some respects, but still :?


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Missed this from a couple of days ago

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... 0000-cases

Police review 10,000 cases in forensics data 'manipulation' inquiry
Police investigate alleged manipulation at Manchester lab in mass recall of samples from criminal cases in England and Wales

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Universal Credit: Solving one problem by creating another

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Didn't watch Newsnight but they used Corbyn's response to the Spring budget instead of yesterdays.

Outrageous mistake


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Didn't intend to watch it.I didn't think it was compulsory. ;)




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https://www.theguardian.com/social-care ... led-people

Ministers’ social care and welfare reforms represent a deliberately prejudiced, vicious attack on a significant minority of the population

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Well that seems to have cleared the confusion that was party saying one thing, Treasury saying another.

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Still lots of holes - gaming, cajoling kids to do maths even though they haven't a hope in hell of passing, who gets the cash if pupil goes for 6th form college rather than school which taught him for 5 years etc etc.

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This is amusing...especially in light of the Spiked free speech, no safe spaces agenda...read to the end.

https://twitter.com/spikedwatch/status/ ... 6943887362

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